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Rick Perry aide says yes to Michigan debate, but maybe not beyond
Politico ^ | October 26, 2011 | MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 10/27/2011 12:15:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Rick Perry, who made clear during his Bill O'Reilly interview last night that he finds the debate formats geared toward promoting a fight, is going to the No. 9 one after that - but is a question mark for some of the glut of face-offs after that.

Perry spokesman Mark Miner said the issue is using time wisely, and noted their campaign is not alone in that.

"I think all the campaigns are expressing frustration right now," Miner told POLITICO. "We said we would do Michigan but the primaries are around the corner and you have to use your time accordingly."


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These "debates" [10 so far] have become the narrative creating tool orchestrated by the MSM.

The GOP Primary field has let the media line them up on stage to take shots at them and each other.

LONG past time to walk. I hope Gov. Perry leads the way off this "gotcha" stage.

After the Pony-tailed" loser 1992 debate, the public should have laughed these debates off the air.

SIMPSON: So your question is?

PONYTAILED LOSER: Can we focus on the issues and not the personalities and the mud? I think there’s a need, if we could take a poll here with the folks from Gallup perhaps, I think there’s a real need here to focus at this point on the needs.

(Bush 41 and Clinton BLEW it and agreed with his premise) -- He should have been told, "We're not your daddy!"

PONYTAILED LOSER: Could we cross our hearts? It sounds silly here but could we make a commitment? You know, we’re not under oath at this point but could you make a commitment to the citizens of the US to meet our needs, and we have many, and not yours again? I repeat that. It’s a real need, I think, that we all have.

No doubt the media is lining up a stable of questioners for the remaining 14 scheduled debates to make our conservative field look as stupid as the "pony tailed" guy did in 1992.

Debates are a MSM construct, where the Left benefits.

1 posted on 10/27/2011 12:15:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
Gov. Perry campaigns best close to the voters.


2 posted on 10/27/2011 12:17:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Charles Krausthammer had, what I think is a very good point in regards to Rick Perry. Perry’s problem is that he was a governor from Texas and that’s all he was.

He knows Texas through and through, but he never gave much thought in regards to national issues or international issues and his provincialism is hurting him.


3 posted on 10/27/2011 12:28:59 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What a coward.


4 posted on 10/27/2011 12:30:07 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Debates are a MSM construct, where the Left benefits.

Debates uncovered for the politically unwashed what the rest of us conservatives already knew about Perry, he is an Open-Borders fraud!
5 posted on 10/27/2011 12:31:32 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Jonty30

Umm No!

We share an international border an we are the 15th largest economy in the WORLD


6 posted on 10/27/2011 12:32:20 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The incident with the pony-tailed guy in 1992 was the absolute nadir of American political discourse, possibly followed closely by AlGore stomping over to George Bush and heavily breathing on him during the 2000 debate.

These "debates" are not debates, but something more akin to the talent segment of the Cornhusker Queen beauty contest. They are moronic and pointless. They should go away, permanently.

And I mean from the general election as well as primary campaigns.

7 posted on 10/27/2011 12:42:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: mylife

Umm, yes.

Mexico is not the only other country in the world and Texas is not the only state that counts, amigo.

I like Perry and I thought he would perform better than he has been, but he is failing and much of his failure rides upon his shoulder.

The big reason for his failings is an unfamiliarity of the issues brought up at the debates. Where was his 20% flat tax solution until recently? What has he said about immigration outside of a Texas prism?

He should have been been preparing to be president for the past year. He should have been able to point out problems that the average American knows and provide solutions to those problems, even if those solutions weren’t ones that you agree with.

He hasn’t. He stammers because he doesn’t have ready answers.

Don’t like Mitt all you want, but his smoothness shows that he’s been preparing for this for many years.


8 posted on 10/27/2011 12:42:17 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
All the candidates could consider whether these debates are all worth participating in.

Having checked the latest schedule, there are now THREE debates in Nov.

There's now FOUR in Dec.

Three of those are in Iowa in span of eight or nine days.

January has FIVE scheduled debates.

9 posted on 10/27/2011 12:51:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelected Obama.)
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To: newzjunkey

Why so many?

There shouldn’t be more debates than one a month or so.

It sounds like somebody wants a lot of debates because they don’t want candidates to have time to prepare for them.

Sounds like, to me, the GOP did this to help Romney.

Can’t blame others for not showing up.


10 posted on 10/27/2011 12:55:04 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30
He should have been been preparing to be president for the past year.

His performance and under prepared campaign is proof positive when he said during his last governor's race he was not planning to run for president, he meant it. It was clearly not his long term ambition.

11 posted on 10/27/2011 1:06:42 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelected Obama.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Will he bring his ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?
12 posted on 10/27/2011 1:08:21 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: newzjunkey

That’s probably true. If it was true, he might have been better off sitting out until 2016, so he’d be more ready than he’s coming across now.

I know that the presidency is more a team, than the man. But the man has to get there first.


13 posted on 10/27/2011 1:26:40 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: newzjunkey

The Debates have not helped conservative candidates.

They’re being picked off one at a time by the media.

Interestingly though, the media protects Romney and ignores his gaffs.


14 posted on 10/27/2011 1:29:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: newzjunkey

It’s ridiculous. Why jump to their tune? They should run their own campaigns and not give the media a platform to take hits at them.


15 posted on 10/27/2011 1:32:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jonty30
Charles Krausthammer had, what I think is a very good point in regards to Rick Perry. Perry’s problem is that he was a governor from Texas and that’s all he was.

Yes, Charles K. says a lot of things. LOL

16 posted on 10/27/2011 1:33:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jonty30
....Sounds like, to me, the GOP did this to help Romney....

BIG Bump!

17 posted on 10/27/2011 1:34:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jonty30
Why so many? I can only put it down to greed by the state parties and networks.

There are far too many debates this season, 17-19* in 2011; 2007 saw 15 but started earlier.

The three all in Iowa are particularly vexing. In 2007, Iowa had 1 of 2 December debates.

Dec 10th it's in Des Moines on ABC. The 15th Sioux City on Fox. Dec 19th it's back to Des Moines but on PBS & Youtube.

Does anyone believe Des Moines, Iowans, are such fantastically probing questioners that they should get two opportunities in nine days?

There to too many debates, too many participants and the Q&A is too shallow and repetitive. This season it's quantity over quality to be sure.

Actually there's a debate left out of that schedule. It's Nov 5th, Cain vs Gingrich doing Lincoln-Douglas style sponsored by Texas Tea Party Patriots.


** 17-19 depending on whether you also count the DeMint candidate forum & Cain-Newt debate.
18 posted on 10/27/2011 1:35:49 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelected Obama.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
[conservatives are] being picked off one at a time by the media... Interestingly though, the media protects Romney and ignores his gaffs.

Absolutely. Romney's been protected all along. They'll save it for the general when they get him the nomination.

19 posted on 10/27/2011 1:43:45 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelected Obama.)
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To: newzjunkey

.........”Democrats with ties to Obama said that it had taken an unusually long time for Romney to start getting dinged in his primary fight — Cain has barely touched him, and Bachmann has said precious little about him. At the same time, Democrats spent weeks publicly casting Perry — their best GOP-based weapon against Romney — as a dopey lightweight, a move that lessened the impact of his attacks on his own rivals.”.....

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66963.html


20 posted on 10/27/2011 1:56:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Charles does say many things.

But he’s not responsible for Perry’s fifth place. Perry is responsible for his fifth place.

And I think Charles is being fair on this one point.

Perry has been floundering, answering questions as if it’s the first he’s heard those questions and throwing Hail Mary’s, hoping for a touch down.

He should be doing better than that.


21 posted on 10/27/2011 2:07:58 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

The thing about the flat tax, IMHO, is that it’s not Perry’s vision and passion. He threw it in there because Cain was gaining traction with 999. That’s it.

So when it comes time to implement it, he’s not going to be a serious leader. Congress is going to be able to make a boondoggle out of it and he won’t stop it.


22 posted on 10/27/2011 2:18:19 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Marie

I believe that, because if he believed in it, it certainly would have appeared earlier in his campaign.

A flat tax is a great idea. Make the first 15,000 dollars tax free and have deductions for charity and business expenditures and it’s a beautiful tax.

It could pull some businesses away from China and back to America.


23 posted on 10/27/2011 2:22:58 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

Sounds like there are a lot of debates so the candidates don’t get handshake time with the public like the one opposing candidate who doesn’t have to debate.


24 posted on 10/27/2011 2:48:44 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

It would certainly do that.


25 posted on 10/27/2011 2:54:01 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Marie
.....He threw it in there because Cain was gaining traction with 999. That’s it.

Right....... /s

Which plan looks "thrown in there?"

Herman Cain's 9-9-9

OR

The Perry Economic Plan: Cut, Balance and Grow

The Perry Plan: Energizing American Jobs and Security

26 posted on 10/27/2011 3:00:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Marie
The thing about the flat tax, IMHO, is that it’s not Perry’s vision and passion.

Gov. Perry: "Obviously fiscal restraint is always something the governor has made a priority...He's the only Texas governor since World War II that has cut general revenue spending."

27 posted on 10/27/2011 3:02:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is pretty dumb. I’d say the last debates are far more important than the early ones.

Why doesn’t he just put Anita up on stage to debate? She is the one that wants to go to DC.


28 posted on 10/27/2011 3:25:17 AM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: newzjunkey
All this yapping about the debates...as if the Republicans are being dragged into them against their will.

Personally I'm disgusted in the way the Republicans have allowed themselves to be manipulated in these debates. CNN...MSNBC...Politico...why are these debates being sponsored by the liberal media? And why do the "moderators" have to be anchorpeople from these liberal media outlets?

When the Democrats are looking to take back the White House, do they put their candidates on FoxNews and have their debates moderated by conservatives?

I feel that the debates are necessary. They are the only medium in which I've been able to take a good look at the candidates and see how quickly they think on their feet and how prepared they are for the office they seek. However, the structure of the debates need to be changed to allow for longer and more substantive answers.

Also, can we please dispense with the "gotcha" man-on-the-street questions from gay soldiers and sad-sack moms on welfare. The Republicans should choose moderators that are in tune with conservative values that will ask intelligent questions on topics that the American people want to hear about.

Why not have folks like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or Mark Steyn moderate the debates? Or Sarah Palin, since she doesn't want to run herself this year. Rush Limbaugh for example commands a radio audience of 40 million people. One can only imagine how many people will tune into a debate moderated by him. Certainly more than some dweeb from MSNBC.

29 posted on 10/27/2011 3:40:35 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: SoConPubbie

My take is he’ll be in all the debates and is setting himself up to do well just by showing up.


30 posted on 10/27/2011 3:52:27 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: SamAdams76; Reagan69; All
Historical Presidential Debate Timeline

No general election debates at all were held for the elections of 1964, 1968 and 1972, although intra-party debates were held during the primaries between Democrats Robert F. Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy in 1968 and between Democrats George McGovern and Hubert Humphrey in 1972."....

31 posted on 10/27/2011 4:02:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jonty30
Charles Krausthammer had, what I think is a very good point in regards to Rick Perry. Perry’s problem is that he was a governor from Texas and that’s all he was.

He knows Texas through and through, but he never gave much thought in regards to national issues or international issues and his provincialism is hurting him.

Wasn't Krauthammer recently ga-ga over Chris Christie, whose bredth of experience is one year as NJ governor, and a background as a Federal attorney?

32 posted on 10/27/2011 4:55:23 AM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Jonty30
I think Perry has given much thought to international issues. More so than Cain for sure.

Perry's problem has been he only knows Texas politics and how National Politics affects Texas.

Let's be real, when Perry first came out he shot to the top as a tough talking Texas governor. He held it for a month and people expected him to bring that to the debates. When he bombed in the Florida debate, people became afraid he would bomb nationally and began looking elsewhere. His "don't have a heart" comment hurt him too as did Romney's bs claim about instate tuition.

It's been a month since his implosion, the lines have stabilized with Cain and Romney at around 25% and Newt and Perry around 10%.

Now Perry has come out with tax and jobs plans and he is starting to spend his 15 million.

In 1 month I expect polls to be very different.

33 posted on 10/27/2011 4:57:30 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Are you calling the Governor of Texas a coward?


34 posted on 10/27/2011 4:58:48 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Hugin

Maybe, but do you ever see Christie becoming tongue-tied, sounding like Porkie Pig, over relatively elementary questions?


35 posted on 10/27/2011 4:59:25 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

No, lawyers are usually quit glib.


36 posted on 10/27/2011 5:01:27 AM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cain's 9-9-9 was thrown together and not well thought out. that is why he couldn't defend it in the last debate and he changed it withing a week of it being criticized.
37 posted on 10/27/2011 5:01:45 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Hugin

I like Perry. I think he would be a very good president, but he deserves a slap for not doing proper preparation.


38 posted on 10/27/2011 5:03:17 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30
Maybe, but do you ever see Christie becoming tongue-tied, sounding like Porkie Pig, over relatively elementary questions?

He's a former federal prosecutor like Rudy Giuliani. They're talkers, debaters, persuaders -- have natural strength in that area.

39 posted on 10/27/2011 5:09:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jonty30

I don’t think he was planning on running. He says he wasn’t, and I take him at his word. Cain has clearly been planning to run for at least a couple years, and Romney has been running nonstop for 5 years. But I think Perry’s book shows he has given thought to a wide variety of issues.

I don’t know if Perry can make a comeback. He has money, organiztion, good ideas and effective media. But he has a tough row to hoe. I also like Newt, and he might have a surge.


40 posted on 10/27/2011 5:11:37 AM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Jonty30
Jonty I agree with you on that point and he will be a good President. The first Caucus is Jan 3rd, that's 2 months away.

His plans are better and specific. He has the experience and he has money and organization.

I really think he was unprepared for National politics. In Texas he has always been a poor debate performer but he would always be blunt, in National politics people expect you to be a certain way and Perry was trying to do that. He needs to get away from that and be himself.

In his debate with Kay Bailey Hutchison, Kay was touting her endorsement by the Dallas Morning News and Perry could just say "Aren't you pro choice?"

I mean it's that simple and Kay just lost the race. In national politics you would get booed and seen as a jerk.

41 posted on 10/27/2011 5:11:41 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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Don’t like Mitt all you want, but his smoothness shows that he’s been preparing for this for many years.

Yes, as a DEMOCRAT.

Mittcare romney is completely unacceptable and has disqualified himself from serious consideration except for the socialist-huggers amongst the populace.

Mitt is worse than obama, because if he gets elected, THE DISASTER THAT FOLLOWS WILL BE OUR FAULT...

Mittcare romney simply cannot be permitted to be the candidate.

42 posted on 10/27/2011 5:13:39 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry 2012: Campaigning Is Hard.
43 posted on 10/27/2011 5:21:01 AM PDT by RichInOC (Sarah Palin is at war with the left. Most Freepers are just playing the video game.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

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44 posted on 10/27/2011 5:31:13 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry: AWOL from Future Debates?
45 posted on 10/27/2011 5:32:42 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: shield

I like this.

Let Romney and Cain go after each other.

Now wouldn’t that be novel?


46 posted on 10/27/2011 5:37:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RichInOC
Perry 2012: Campaigning Is Hard.

Rick Perry excels at campaigning.

Mitt Romney can't hold a candle to Perry in that arena.

These "debates" are not campaigning.

47 posted on 10/27/2011 5:38:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Caipirabob
The disaster that follows?

No Mitt disciple; but the disaster that is on Obama's heels; is almost irretrievable. A few more years of unchecked, anti-Constitutional/criminal activity will seal America's fate.

Mitt will NOT go that road. Mitt's politics and ambitions pale to those of Obama. GW; say what you might; was no Hugo Chavez or a 'Fidel'. Cannot say that about Obama; nor could you ever imagine the narcissistic; anti-patriot and totalitarian ascriptions to Mitt. Obama and Mitt have visions for America that do not even come close to being on the 'same page;.

(And for the smaller print - and most recent news - we probably would not be suffering the ignorance such as 'sex education' per bestial MO's as are now being introduced into elementary schools and a host of other educational agendas being served - including, Islamic) and no matter how Islam friendly a Repub candidate may be - I think of Rick Perry - don't think the extremes will follow and though watchful eyes here; always necessary/sigh.) Mitt sees America as a friend of Israel; not an enemy. Obama stands as a dangerous hypocrit.)

Personally; think Newt is the only Candidate who truly fills America's greatest needs right now; but alas. . .In any event; I will be voting Repub and hope that no one here, imagines, that while they have the choice; they do not have the luxury of voting otherwise. (Including the pro-Dem vote cast, by NOT supporting Repub Party.)

48 posted on 10/27/2011 5:39:46 AM PDT by cricket (Stop the Madness . . . let Freedom Prevail. . .)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Of course he’s awesome at campaigning. That’s why he’s leading all those polls.

Oh, wait…


49 posted on 10/27/2011 5:46:20 AM PDT by RichInOC (Sarah Palin is at war with the left. Most Freepers are just playing the video game.)
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To: cricket
.....(And for the smaller print - and most recent news - we probably would not be suffering the ignorance such as 'sex education' per bestial MO's as are now being introduced into elementary schools and a host of other educational agendas being served - including, Islamic) and no matter how Islam friendly a Repub candidate may be - I think of Rick Perry - don't think the extremes will follow and though watchful eyes here; always necessary/sigh.) Mitt sees America as a friend of Israel; not an enemy. Obama stands as a dangerous hypocrit.)......

Gov. Perry's been working alongside Israel since 1991 when he created the Texas-Israel Exchange. He's received the Defender of Jerusalem Award, visited Israel to learn about the border security, wrote and published a letter to Eric Holder about the illegal "freedom flotillas" and spoke out against Obama's policy toward Israel. Perry has had long and strong ties to the Jewish community.

But you slam Perry and hold Romney up for praise.

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And for your lie and smear on Perry about Islam:

David Stein: Debunking the Rick Perry “Pro-Shraria” School Curriculum Myth

Amil Imani Governor Perry's Islam Connection ………”No matter how I tried, I couldn't reach the conclusion that this inclusion promotes Islam or is pro-Sharia. It seems that the mere fact that Islam is included in the curriculum represents supporting it. And with regard to the concern that the education curriculum Perry promoted is pro-Arab and against Israel, the evidence is exactly the opposite. The lesson on Israel reads: …”

50 posted on 10/27/2011 5:52:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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