Skip to comments.Gun turn-in pits Ceasefire against collectors with cash(OR)
Posted on 10/27/2011 6:03:37 AM PDT by marktwain
Only 43 people turned in unwanted guns Saturday at Ceasefire Oregons latest community collection event, in the Veterans Memorial Coliseum parking lot.
Last winter, Portland police collected 152 guns at a similar event, and earlier turn-ins yielded even more.
Event organizers and Portland police, who help coordinate the turn-in, were at a loss to explain the drop. Maybe, they said, publicity for the event did not reach as many people.
Among those it did reach were about two dozen gun collectors who lined up at the parking lots two entrances, hoping to convince people driving in to sell them their guns rather than hand them over to police for destruction. Each gun turned in to police earned a $50 Fred Meyer gift certificate.
The gun collectors waved signs at cars approaching the lot, reading: I buy guns, $50-$200 cash.
By the end of the day, the collectors said they had managed to buy 10 to 15 guns that otherwise would have been turned in and destroyed.
Whether the collectors were there for the opportunity to buy undervalued firearms or as a Second Amendment protest was hard to discern.
Were here trying to save decent guns, said Bob Galloway, a gun collector who drove from Eugene for the event. Galloway said he owns 50 guns but never shoots them.
Jim Clark, also a Eugene collector, said he had another reason for hoping to persuade people to sell their turn-in guns to him. Theyre potentially destroying guns that may have been used in crimes, Clark said. A criminal could bring a gun here that was used in a crime and it would be destroyed.
At the parking lots other entrance, Southeast Portland resident Dave Nelson displayed the rifle and a shotgun he had bought during the days events. The rifle, he said, was worth about $150, and he bought it for $100.
Nelson, a Boy Scout leader, had found a useful marketing ploy; he was waving hundred dollar bills at cars approaching the parking lot. He said he would use the rifle to teach his scouts to shoot.
Were not talking gangsta guns here, Nelson said. Mostly Im looking for a bargain, but I dont like the idea of destroying perfectly good guns.
A change of heart
A number of police officers assisting with the turn-in event said they had no problem with gun collectors persuading gun owners not to hand over their guns for destruction.
Sgt. Tim Sessions said guns that end up in the hands of criminals typically are stolen from homes where they were not locked up.
They know how to lock guns up, Sessions said of the nearby collectors.
Typical of those who were bringing in guns was Vancouver, Wash., resident Barbara Luisi, who said her gun collector ex-husband had given her a rifle 20 years ago and it had been in her garage for years.
I dont want somebody to break into our house and take it (and) use it to kill somebody, Luisi said.
Portland police Officer Rob Blanck, who was among those assigned to the event, said the day produced a few interesting items, including one man who turned in a semi-automatic pistol that had been modified into an illegal fully automatic weapon. Another man turned in a new Glock pistol, just like those used by police, in its original box. Blanck estimated the gun must have cost its owner $500.
He told me he just had a change of heart regarding guns, Blanck said.
That item didnt quite match the World War I Springfield rifle that had been turned in at a previous Ceasefire Oregon event.
Blanck said he convinced the owner to take that rifle to a military museum in Fort Lewis, Wash., rather than have it destroyed.
It was in absolute stunning shape, Blanck said, of the antique.
Mary Tompkins, Ceasefire Oregon executive director, said the novelty of the gun turn-in may have worn off after five years but that better publicity might help bring more reluctant gun owners to future events.
Liz Julee, a Ceasefire Oregon Educational Foundation board member, looked at the men and women at the parking lot entrances and refused to accept that they were there only to add to their gun collections.
I think its political, Julee said. I think its unfortunate that they feel they need to have an oppositional presence.
Of course, be sure to follow the local laws. I notice the police had no problem with the collectors. Turning in a $500 glock for $50 is really stupid, though.
It was probably stolen
I think its political, Julee said.
I wonder how the victims or families of victims would feel if they knew the key piece of evidence “vanished” through a feel-good gun buy back program?
“”Jim Clark, also a Eugene collector, said he had another reason for hoping to persuade people to sell their turn-in guns to him. Theyre potentially destroying guns that may have been used in crimes, Clark said. A criminal could bring a gun here that was used in a crime and it would be destroyed.”
He wouldn’t be bothered by buying and owning such a gun?
How do they know criminals weren’t there to buy them also?
Um, they probably find it "unfortunate" that YOU feel the need to have a presence "oppositional" to a clearly stated Constitutional right. Deal with it; they have to.
Darn Capitalists offering more money than the socialists can afford to pay.
Sounds like a good move to me.
What difference would it make? I have An old Turkish Mauser that probably was used to kill Armenians. It still works just fine for killing deer And elk.
I also own a car that was once owned by a famous rock star. I don’t go around touting that fact though since it has nothing to do with how the car peforms.
Remember: Guns are just tools and can be used for good or evil. It’s up to the operator.
“”What difference would it make?””
You wouldn’t have a problem owning a gun that was used in a crime and it could be traced to you? Try and talk your way out of that. Better know a good attorney.
Kind of like “I’m just holding it for a friend.”
It would only become a problem if I used it in a crime and the Po-PO gottheir hands on it. That’s not very likely.
A few years ago I took my wife on a trip. When we got back our daughter showed me a shotgun she had gotten from a friend. The friend wanted to sell it and was asking a very reasonable price. It might be stolen but there’s no way for me to find out without telling the po-po more than I want them to know. I knew he was going to sell it to someone and I also knew I wouldn’t use it in a crime. I couldn’t be sure of that other “someone” who might be a gang-banger so I bought it. Now it’s in a safe location and won’t be used for nefarious purposes.
Could I have taken it to the local cop-shop? Sure, but I know for a fact that many guns that are turned in there go to the private collection of one of the officers. That would make it stolen alright but it would be stolen from me! No thanks.
The Glock was stupid, but the M1903 Springfield was the best buy.
The Glock was stupid, but the M1903 Springfield was the best buy.
I’ll bet that not many guns used in crimes were turned in. I would think the perp would be to paranoid to show up at the gun destruction center to turn them in. The gun would be in a dumpster or a river.
These gun buy-back programs offer complete amnesty for any weapons used in crimes. Why take the chance of it being found in a dumpster when you can be assured of its destruction by law enforcement?
Assuming that you believe the promises. I recall at least one case where the promise was reneged on. I can not give you a source, but I would not place my freedom at risk by relying on such a promise.
You and I know that, but perps don’t trust cops.
I run a police check on every used firearm I buy.