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Perry's plan to skip debates prompts criticism from Gingrich, Santorum
CBSNews ^ | 10/27/2011 | Sarah Huisenga

Posted on 10/27/2011 8:24:23 PM PDT by South40

Two of his Republican rivals on Thursday criticized Rick Perry, who has dropped hints he may skip some of the upcoming presidential debates.

In a question-and answer-session with reporters following an education forum in New York City, former Sen. Rick Santorum and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich both suggested it is a sign of weakness for Perry to take a pass on some future debates. At least 10 have been scheduled between now and the end of January.

"I'd never skip a debate. I'd never skip the opportunity to let the American public know what I think about these issues," Santorum said.

"I'm all about digging deeper and people getting to know the candidates."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: formerdemocratperry; gingrich; heartless; openbordersrino; perry; runningaway; santorum
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1 posted on 10/27/2011 8:24:25 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40
"I'd never skip a debate. I'd never skip the opportunity to let the American public know what I think about these issues," Santorum said.

Proof of Santorum's stupidity. One, these aren't "debates", they're dog-and-pony shows where the candidates are trotted out and either set against each other or made to play "gotcha" with stupid questions and sound-bite answers. Two, and following from the first, these so-called "debates" are intentionally designed to prevent any participant from giving any sort of a nuanced view on issues, so clearly skipping one of these farces isn't going to deprive a candidate of much.
2 posted on 10/27/2011 8:27:08 PM PDT by Oceander (If Romney is the GOP nominee, then Obama wins in 2012, either directly or by proxy)
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To: South40

So many of the debates are held in liberal venues (PBS, CNN). I agree with Perry. Skip some of them.


3 posted on 10/27/2011 8:28:01 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: South40

If he can’t handle the debates ... well, I am singularly unimpressed at his abilities to be President. It’s just a debate for heaven’s sake. If you can’t handle questions ...


4 posted on 10/27/2011 8:28:05 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: org.whodat; cripplecreek; TADSLOS; BobL; raybbr; truthfreedom; fieldmarshaldj; DoughtyOne; ...

5 posted on 10/27/2011 8:28:46 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: RIghtwardHo
Perry can handle questions. Just not very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngiJhmoFKkw

6 posted on 10/27/2011 8:30:19 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: South40

That’s a pretty tired graphic; got anything interesting to say?


7 posted on 10/27/2011 8:30:49 PM PDT by Oceander (If Romney is the GOP nominee, then Obama wins in 2012, either directly or by proxy)
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To: Oceander

I write interesting things all the time. It’s not my fault you Perry worshipers are too busy groveling to notice.


8 posted on 10/27/2011 8:33:29 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: Oceander

You would think they would be thrilled to have one less person on the stage with them. Wonder why they are so upset? Perhaps because it will be too boring watching them all sucking up to Mitt.


9 posted on 10/27/2011 8:34:07 PM PDT by McGavin999 ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: South40

I love Santorum, and Newt has really impressed me too. Good for them. If you can’t handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. In the debates I’ve seen, Perry hasn’t handled the heat well.


10 posted on 10/27/2011 8:38:03 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: South40

lol Yeah. Probably better put.

I just think that its a BAD move to say that you can’t handle questions well so will just not show up ... when you are running for President of the United States. That means you are certainly not ready for the job.


11 posted on 10/27/2011 8:38:07 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo

You nailed it. La Raza Ricky can’t handle the questions, or the vetting of his record. This old boy has seen more than a few politicians come and go but none displaying a more ‘deer in the headlights’ stumbling speaking terror than this Perry fella while debating.


12 posted on 10/27/2011 8:38:48 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: South40

Neither of these men can afford to skip a debate, because they have no campaign funds.
It’s bE that everyone follows this rabbit trail of the media, though. “Hints” aren’t fact, yet. It is publicity for them all, I guess.


13 posted on 10/27/2011 8:43:40 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed:Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: RIghtwardHo
I served 3 terms on my city council. I would never have dreamed of not appearing at any of the many candidate forums. I recall that some candidates refused to appear and were summarily rejected by the voters.

I understand Perry sucks at debate and I understand why. His record is one that is impossible to defend. At this point, and in light of his abysmal performances to date, not appearing is probably his best bet, though I do not believe it will have any effect on his free fall in the polls.

14 posted on 10/27/2011 8:44:55 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: Oceander
Not debates, you are correct, as far as Perry is concerned it is more of puking in your shoes, and the dog ate my homework, and I will have a plan by next class, I promise, sort of thing. You Heartless creeps.
15 posted on 10/27/2011 8:47:27 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: South40
As Dick Morris just said, "If you're not in the debates, you're not in the race."

I believe Morris is correct on this one.

16 posted on 10/27/2011 8:48:35 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: hocndoc
Neither of these men can afford to skip a debate, because they have no campaign funds.

Perry can't afford to either and he has oodles in cash.

I know Perry struggles at debates but to refuse to participate will be seen as weak. Do you agree with his decision?

17 posted on 10/27/2011 8:50:38 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: Rudder

:-) Morris is wrong more times than he is right. But he may be right on this.


18 posted on 10/27/2011 8:52:56 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: Oceander

Santorum is one of the smartest guys out there. Should Perry skip many (any?) it will kill his campaign. Ten more are way too many and there are probably a dozen after January. This is ridiculous.


19 posted on 10/27/2011 9:07:44 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: South40

Perry “worshipers”? Why the nastiness?


20 posted on 10/27/2011 9:09:10 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: South40

The fact that he and the rest agreed to this epic display of MSM warfare called “the debates” trapped them all. Now none can back out without looking like cowards unless they do so en masse - all of which plays into the Dems hands.

Perry is sunk already so regardless of what he does in them, it will not matter to any but the total posthappy fanatic/sycophants here on FR. And since that type believe black is white and up is down as they have so embarassingly displayed in hundreds of posts, Perry will ‘surely retake the lead due to his bold leadership style and outside the box thinking’. (I think I threw up a little).

And people called us Palinistas “cultists”....


21 posted on 10/27/2011 9:09:33 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: ExtremeUnction
I have insisted from the start that these line-ups are designed only to enable the media to make republicans look bad. I would respect Perry's trial balloon if he framed it as an attempt to recruit all the gop contenders in a boycott of debates until, say, January. But he didn't. He is just hinting at running and hiding and hoping he somehow outlasts the competition.

Sorry, still no sale.

22 posted on 10/27/2011 9:14:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: South40
My word. Perry can't explain how "abstinence works?" He just knows from personal experience that it does?? Geezis.
23 posted on 10/27/2011 9:18:37 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: arrogantsob

It wasn’t nasty it’s just fact. Some in the Perry crowd at FR do worship the man and they have made that abundantly clear.


24 posted on 10/27/2011 9:20:00 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: Norm Lenhart
it will not matter to any but the total posthappy fanatic/sycophants here on FR.

You are right, NL. We've all watched as Perry has dropped like a rock and continues to do so. Even so, his die hard supporters insist he has staged a 'comeback'.

If 'comeback' means drop from 31.4% to 10.5%, they may have a case.

25 posted on 10/27/2011 9:23:47 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: South40
Morris is wrong more times than he is right. But he may be right on this.

Don't forget: he's in showbiz. But he's a reliable conservative now, and moderately entertaining.

And right on with this.

26 posted on 10/27/2011 9:24:23 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: South40

That is just not true and “groveling” is not nasty?


27 posted on 10/27/2011 9:24:37 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Not a particularly flattering exchange, I know.

Add what we have seen of him in the debates and just the thought of him debating Barry is frightening.

28 posted on 10/27/2011 9:25:52 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: arrogantsob

You are either woefully unaware at the excuses made by the fan club and the shots they have taken at anyone daring to point out Perry’s legitimate problems, or just do not care.

If the former, I suggest you pick some of the names of the most vocal supporters and read their post histories. Concentrate on posts involving the keywords “fence’ ‘illegal’ and ‘shut up’ (or a variant thereof. If the later, well, whatever.


29 posted on 10/27/2011 9:31:02 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: arrogantsob
Oh it's true alright. Some post pictures of the man that serve no purpose. They do so so they and other worshipers can go ga ga over him. It's a sickening display but they are certainly free to do it just as I am free to point it out.

And 'groveling' doesn't even come close in comparison to the nastiness shown by some in the Perry worship committee. I was told I "hate Texas females and want them to die of cancer" because I was critical of Perry's nanny-state Gardasil debacle. Now that was nasty.

30 posted on 10/27/2011 9:32:14 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: South40

I like the crybaby images. Keep on posting them. Lots of crybabies out there...


31 posted on 10/27/2011 9:32:45 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: South40

What decision? “May” is not a decision.


32 posted on 10/27/2011 9:36:18 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed:Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Oceander

.....these aren’t “debates”, they’re dog-and-pony shows.....
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I’m not sure that you perception is correct. The Debates have certainly help America develop an appreciation for Herman Cain and allowed Newt Gingrich to redeem himself to many Americans who despised him. They now love him; or at least love his politics. Yours truly for one.


33 posted on 10/27/2011 9:37:21 PM PDT by no dems (Gingrich/Cain: The Dream Ticket in 2012 !)
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To: South40

Yeah, and you were being as nice as Aunt Bea before that vicious attack I am sure.


34 posted on 10/27/2011 9:38:18 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: Oceander; South40

I love the graphic.


35 posted on 10/27/2011 9:38:26 PM PDT by no dems (Gingrich/Cain: The Dream Ticket in 2012 !)
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To: SamAdams76
Yes, there sure seems to be.

I ping conservatives to Perry threads using a variety of images.

The Perry people do the same thing.

I'm sure my critics in this thread have also been critical of the Perry worship committee pings and I just must have missed it. /s

36 posted on 10/27/2011 9:39:18 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: McGavin999
Wonder why they are so upset? Perhaps because it will be too boring watching them all sucking up to Mitt.

No. It's probably because they know that the Debates cut Perry's poll numbers drastically. He went from 32 percent, when he first entered the field, to 6 percent today. All because he couldn't debate his way out of a wet paper bag. They want him into the negatives in polling.
37 posted on 10/27/2011 9:44:45 PM PDT by no dems (Gingrich/Cain: The Dream Ticket in 2012 !)
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To: arrogantsob
You really should try to have at least a modicum of knowledge on a topic before you don't you chime in and make a complete fool of yourself.

Read the thread yourself and see that I was in fact as nice as Aunt Bea prior to that crude, thoroughly nasty and uncalled for remark.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2777844/posts

38 posted on 10/27/2011 9:45:37 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: South40

I think Perry is basically a good governor and a good guy, but that sort of performance is not at the level we should demand of a presidential candidate. It’s not even close.


39 posted on 10/27/2011 9:48:24 PM PDT by TChad
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To: South40

that was not nasty, that was down right stupid...


40 posted on 10/27/2011 9:50:40 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

Thank you GG. Interesting that I am being chided for saying they ‘worship’ Perry while what we get from the Perry crowd is, as you put it, stupid.


41 posted on 10/27/2011 9:54:38 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: TChad

I agree TC. I do believe that Perry is well-liked in Texas. But he has attempted to take his dog & pony show national and it’s just not selling.


42 posted on 10/27/2011 9:56:37 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: no dems
I love the graphic.

It is a good one. And if you look at my posting history you will see it has been some time since I last used it. Conversely, to post in a Perry thread one must scroll past the Perry worship committee's pin-ups of Governor Hairdo.

43 posted on 10/27/2011 10:05:09 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: ExtremeUnction
Perhaps it would confuse us if he ran away more.

Some politicians have a record and public presence that is so flawed they can not merely run from it verbally, they are forced to run physically as well. Perry is one of those.

44 posted on 10/27/2011 10:05:29 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Oceander

Leave South40 alone. He's just trying to get people to stop brutalizing Rick.
45 posted on 10/27/2011 10:07:32 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: RIghtwardHo

“If he can’t handle the debates ... well, I am singularly unimpressed at his abilities to be President.”

People would think way more of Perry if he debated badly, than didn’t debate at all. We like our leaders to have courage.


46 posted on 10/27/2011 10:09:40 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Kartographer

47 posted on 10/27/2011 10:16:04 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: South40
I think todays announcement by Perry where he is throwing our confederate ancestor's honor under the bus was the nail in the coffin for this SOB.

He can forget my vote in the 2014 guberatorial contest now.

48 posted on 10/27/2011 10:16:46 PM PDT by catfish1957 (A politican with a heart usually means they have one hand in our pocketbooks!!!)
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To: South40

Perry is well liked by some in Texas, but a lot of us have worked Damn hard to defeat the TTC mess, reign in the costly pandering to illegals that brings in most of our crime, and keep him from making various crony capitalism deals of which Gardasil was only one.

We are tired of him, but since the executive branch is split in power between the governor and the lieutenant governor (who runs on a separate ticket) it is harder to attract a decent candidate than one might think.


49 posted on 10/27/2011 10:18:40 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: South40

Not all, but there are some Perry supporters that are batship crazy..reflects poorly on their candidate. A good debate should not cause some of the awful things some say. ..We don’t have to worry about Romneys supporters and that is a plus...:O)


50 posted on 10/27/2011 10:22:15 PM PDT by goat granny
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