Skip to comments.Hawaii Couple's Daughter Taken Away for 18 Hours Over Alleged Sandwich Theft
Posted on 10/29/2011 7:29:43 AM PDT by rawhideEdited on 10/29/2011 7:32:42 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
A Hawaii couple’s 3-year-old daughter was taken away from them for 18 hours after they were arrested for forgetting to a pay for two $5 sandwiches.
The outing-turned-nightmare happened Wednesday while the family was shopping at a local Safeway.
"We walked a long way to the grocery store and I was feeling faint, dizzy, like I needed to eat something so we decided to pick up some sandwiches and eat them while we were shopping," Leszczynski told the news station.
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The arrested woman’s blog with her story here, with more info: http://blogs.babycenter.com/community_buzz/toddler-taken-by-cps-over-5-00-sandwiches/
Not defending the market, but a pet peeve of mine is people eating in grocery stores. Not food courts, but in the aisles.
People that eat things that get weighed (like grapes) are simply stealing.
It ain't rocket surgery.
I hope the store manager is fired, and the woman fined.
Might have been okay to cut this chick some slack.
IMHO, the store manager should have reminded this woman about the sandwich that was eaten. It could have been a mistake since she paid for fifty dollars of groceries. I have never eaten in a store BUT I have drank in one on occasion. Once when I had to take a prescription and once when I had a allergy/coughing attack. Yes... I paid for my seltzer purchase but simply because a rather large, empty bottle was in the cart.
I haven't read the article yet, but I'm with you on this. I have never eaten anything (or given food to whining children) in a grocery store until I've paid for it. How do I know that my credit card won't go through when I get to the register? There have been times when my credit card doesn't work because there was some suspicious activity and the bank cut it off. And eating things that have to be weighed? Unbelievable!
Hmmmmmm......lots of sandwich stories today. Seems kind of cheesie.
>>People that eat things that get weighed (like grapes) are simply stealing.<<
I fully agree with you and have been VERY vocal about it. I will say to my kids, “People who eat fruit they haven’t paid for are STEALING!!”
I’ve seen a couple seniors walk away redfaced, a few moms pull their kids away.
“People that eat things that get weighed (like grapes) are simply stealing.”
I never buy grapes without sampling one. Too many times I’ve gotten home and found them sour and uneatable.
I think I’ve eaten something just once while in the grocery and I put the wrapper on the checkout counter to tally.
For reporting people stealing from him?
They were taken to the main Honolulu police station where they were booked for fourth degree theft. Then Zophia was taken into custody by Child Protective Services.
What would you have them do with the kid? Put her in a cell too, while her thieving parents make bail?
Once, while working at a 7-11, a customer made some nachos and walked right out the door. A couple of policemen were in the store, and I alerted them right away. They went out and talked to the customer. The customer came back, apologized, and paid. End of story.
I’m not sure why the store manager insisted on so much more than immediate payment. Maybe a stern lecture about consuming items before paying for them would have been in order, but more than that is just excessive, IMO.
Nope, very bad idea. You have no idea how much loss occurs this way.
I bet they won’t forget to pay for their sandwiches again. I see people eating food all the time in grocery stores and I bet it adds up to a significant cost to the store, which of course gets passed along to the rest of us. I’m sure every person who is caught has the same “I just forgot to pay” story also.
She'll be getting free formula for a year from this Safeway before it's over.
There's a concept called proportionality of penalty. There's no sense that was thought of here. Every day hundreds of people go in and out of that store and whatever they do is going to be on the store's surveillance cameras. The last thing any of those people think is that in case of one little slip-up they're going to have their children seized by the government.
Frankly I am surprised the store manager didn't accept the offer of payment on the spot ~ he'll lose all of his pregnant customers, or customers who care for a young child, in fact, all the "Handicapped Parking" folks. People who might be distracted from shopping by other concerns should never put themselves in the scope of responsibility of this particular manager or his team.
NOTE: never eat any of those pre-prepared sancwiches at any store ~ they'll custom make the same thing for you, so watch closely to avoid contamination.
Absolutely. I had the experience a couple of weeks ago of finding my debit card cut off. When I called the bank, it turned out that someone had tried to make a $2,200 and a $365 purchase on line with my debit card. Then, because I had to start using my credit cards (which I never do), that alerted the two credit card companies of possible fraud on my account, which caused them also to be cut off. It's embarrassing enough to not be able to pay for things at the check-out; having already consumed some of the items would be worse than embarrassing.
Oh, I have a new debit card. It was broken in yesterday.
Ok, fine the husband, then. I’m not in favor of paying more for my groceries because someone thinks they are entitled to chow-down while shopping, and “forget” to pay for it.
Me too can’t stand sour grapes. How else can you ascertain they are sweet? Now as for cantaloupes and watermelons...
re: Might have been okay to cut this chick some slack.
I agree. Under normal circumstances she shouldn’t have eaten the sandwich in the store. But the woman is 7 months pregnant, which is very distracting mentally. And when you are that pregnant and feeling weak, especially after having walked a long distance to the store, it is best to eat. (The husband had no such excuse.) Meanwhile, I think the store should have simply accepted the payment for the sandwiches and warned them against doing it in the future instead of making a big case of it.
Reading the blog, the couple meant to do that with the sandwich wrappers. Whether that is true or not, what happened was extreme far beyond the crime. And Safeway upper management agrees.
Remember, when the store opened its doors and put all the stuff on the shelves, and failed to set up a check out verification process (like Costco), they took the risk that their customers could and would make mistakes.
Now they know that the chilluns get seized by the state ~ that's one of the first steps!
Do you imagine that was a thrilling experience for the manager? I do.
So..the woman was “feeling faint, dizzy” and decided to eat something without paying for it.
And, the husband also decided to eat a sandwich without paying for it?
He must’ve been “feeling faint, dizzy” too...
My Publix will give a whole section of grapes if you ask. Same with any fruit. Heck, they throw tons of stuff away daily and don’t mind at all. I always ask though. I don’t want to be struck by lightening on a clear day, you know the whole Ten Commandments and all.
“pick up some sandwiches and eat them while we were shopping,”
Nope, very bad idea. You have no idea how much loss occurs this way.
I’d like to know what the woman did with the sandwich wrappers?
For reporting people stealing from him?
No, for not using common sense and allowing this to escalate out of hand to where a little girl was taken away from her parents. Imagine the thoughts going through her little head. What a cold-hearted manager not to back down. A simple police report of shoplifting should have been sufficient, but not being arrested and taken away from your 3-yr daughter. Safeway upper management agrees.
Gad ~ chicken salad sandwiches? In a store? Walking the aisles?
Ptomaine city fur shur.
You do NOT eat in the grocery store.
Most national grocery stores around here that have a deli, also have seating for you to eat it in the store.
Exactly the same here. Many times I've opened a pack of Luden's cough drops, taken one and put the rest in my cart.
Supermarket sells Peet's coffee to shoppers, pay at the register. Are people actually saying I can't take a sip until I've finished shopping and paid? Iced coffees would be water and hot ones cold by that time. Hey, I'm an honest guy. I always pay. Always. And that coffee is always half gone by the time I finish shopping. Nothing wrong with it.
I bought some shelled bulk pecans once and they were kind of mushy, not crisp, and stale. Nothing wrong with trying one before you buy. Just don't try two, three, a handful!
Follow a chef around a produce market. He'll sample lots of things before buying them.
I've always thought it was okay, as long as you only took one small nibble to test the quality of a bulk item. Once you open a sealed package, though, it's yours and you have to pay for it.
If he did that to me and my 3-yr-old, firing would be the nicest thing to happen to him, and by no means the only thing.
No chance BOTH these parents “forgot” they ordered AND ATE sandwiches when they were checking out. The very fact security noticed this and asked for the receipt indicates it has happened before.
Highly likely these slugs figured they would not get noticed anymore then someone who takes a grape from the fruit bib is noticed.
They got what was coming to them and i hope they get fined 10 times the value of the sandwiches PLUS court costs.
We have begun to live in an age when someone (pregnant, or otherwise—or assuming facts most favorable—accompanied by a stupid spouse) does something stupid, and expects to be “forgiven” because they blog about it. Your initial response simply encourages more of this kind of behavior.
I agree with you. I see food containers, the contents having been eaten, placed on a shelf somewhere and never paid for. Theft is theft. It’s the same with newspapers. People insert the price of a paper, open the door and take several papers. Where were their parents when they were growing up or is it that their parents taught them these behaviors?
I'm always suspicious when a story begins with some distress to get sympathy.
There’s a concept called proportionality of penalty.
They may lose these people as customers but the story will also give pause to others who have or have any ideas of doing something like this. On balance the store wins financially and I refuse to believe any significant % of local people would condone this sort of petty thievery.
This was not a wise manager and he will cost the company the profit on tens of thousands of chicken salad sandwiches.
Again, your store puts products out on shelves for customer selection to cut costs AND increase opportunities for profitability. In electing to use that method they also risk some degree of loss.
That's their choice.
If they control the transactions completely ~ using clerks who wait at counters and go in the back to find the product to sell, and then accept the cash, etc. the risk of loss is substantially reduced. Their costs will increase obviously, but it's their choice.
When the merchant uses modern methods and understands there are risks ~ that customers may make mistakes, or thieves may easily steal from the open shelves ~ then the question of punishment for both mistakes and theft takes a different focus.
We should not expect a hanging in these cases, nor should children be taken from their families.
Quite possibly the smart manager using the latest sales methods will, when he catches the occasional stray, accept payment when it is offered.
At the same time EVERYBODY knows there's more loss on the back dock as that stuff comes out of the truck than there is loss in the front end ~ and it's the manager and his most trusted employees who are probably looting the business.
I agree, LibWhacker. I have always paid once I opened a Seltzer or something similar. If a package is open, you have to pay for it. However, if someone samples something as small as a grape.. what do they owe? I personally believe that the manager in this case could have handled this situation better. The article doesn’t state that this woman has a record of shoplifting. Now.. someone could say, “Mom, if you know you are having cough attacks then bring a bottle of water or drink with you”. How in the world would the store know that I already have a purchased bottle of water when I enter the store? I am fully aware that I am on a security camera and I don’t hide the fact that I open the drink and consume it.
Thank you for the summarized list of excuses. I’m off to the grocery store to grab a sandwich.
There's a reason the old time stores accepted all deliveries in the front, then put them on shelves behind the clerk or proprietor for his sole control.
Modern sales methods are based on probabilities of lower costs, higher profits, and losses (both mistakes and thefts).
You elect to use modern methods or old fashioned methods.
When you do that you accept the risk of loss as well as higher costs and lower profits.
.......with all due respect rawhide, I have a little different take. I think the store manager was likely just following “policy” from execs on high which means one or more or all of them should be fired.
The problem these execs don’t get and that is illustrated by this incident is that when “government” gets involved in a situation it is like brushing your teeth with a wire brush.......it is always, always OVER-KILL !!!
Dumbass cop mentality took over and BOTH parents went to jail leaving the baby with CPS. Dumb! If arrests just had to happen, they should not have arrested both parents so that one of them could have taken the baby over-night. The obvious fact that the woman was pregnant should have exempted her from jail for christ’s sake. Like I said, if you want to understand what happened here, go brush your teeth with a wire brush!
A couple of times, I have picked up a small bottle of water while grocery shopping and put the empty bottle through with my purchases.
I've never had anyone complain about that.
I hope the store manager gets his/her photo in the Hawaii newspapers showing their being awarded a nice bonus check for a job well done! Dollars to dog biscuits this couple are nothing more or less than freeloading leeches. And doing it in HAWAII yet! That REALLY torques me! The least they could have done was to come to the Mainland and freeze their tushes on Wall St.
Sometimes I’ll sample something from a package, etc. and I always put the wrapper, box, bottle, or price tag in the cart. They should have done likewise.
Yes... they should have. That being said, they shouldn’t have lost their daughter over it either. I guess this is a difficult case all around.
I have seen that and it makes me want to throw up