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Hawaii Couple's Daughter Taken Away for 18 Hours Over Alleged Sandwich Theft
foxnews.com ^ | 10-29-11

Posted on 10/29/2011 7:29:43 AM PDT by rawhide

Edited on 10/29/2011 7:32:42 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A Hawaii couple

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: cps; hawaii; safeway; sandwich
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To: LibWhacker

I agree, LibWhacker. I have always paid once I opened a Seltzer or something similar. If a package is open, you have to pay for it. However, if someone samples something as small as a grape.. what do they owe? I personally believe that the manager in this case could have handled this situation better. The article doesn’t state that this woman has a record of shoplifting. Now.. someone could say, “Mom, if you know you are having cough attacks then bring a bottle of water or drink with you”. How in the world would the store know that I already have a purchased bottle of water when I enter the store? I am fully aware that I am on a security camera and I don’t hide the fact that I open the drink and consume it.


41 posted on 10/29/2011 8:18:37 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: muawiyah

Thank you for the summarized list of excuses. I’m off to the grocery store to grab a sandwich.


42 posted on 10/29/2011 8:19:06 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Yeah, I'm a traditionalist ~ I do not believe in beating pregnant women or skinning puppy dogs.
43 posted on 10/29/2011 8:19:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 1rudeboy
If you think retail ought to be without risks you have been improperly informed.

There's a reason the old time stores accepted all deliveries in the front, then put them on shelves behind the clerk or proprietor for his sole control.

Modern sales methods are based on probabilities of lower costs, higher profits, and losses (both mistakes and thefts).

You elect to use modern methods or old fashioned methods.

When you do that you accept the risk of loss as well as higher costs and lower profits.

44 posted on 10/29/2011 8:22:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rawhide

.......with all due respect rawhide, I have a little different take. I think the store manager was likely just following “policy” from execs on high which means one or more or all of them should be fired.

The problem these execs don’t get and that is illustrated by this incident is that when “government” gets involved in a situation it is like brushing your teeth with a wire brush.......it is always, always OVER-KILL !!!

Dumbass cop mentality took over and BOTH parents went to jail leaving the baby with CPS. Dumb! If arrests just had to happen, they should not have arrested both parents so that one of them could have taken the baby over-night. The obvious fact that the woman was pregnant should have exempted her from jail for christ’s sake. Like I said, if you want to understand what happened here, go brush your teeth with a wire brush!


45 posted on 10/29/2011 8:29:04 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
I think I’ve eaten something just once while in the grocery and I put the wrapper on the checkout counter to tally.

A couple of times, I have picked up a small bottle of water while grocery shopping and put the empty bottle through with my purchases.

I've never had anyone complain about that.

46 posted on 10/29/2011 8:29:57 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: rawhide

I hope the store manager gets his/her photo in the Hawaii newspapers showing their being awarded a nice bonus check for a job well done! Dollars to dog biscuits this couple are nothing more or less than freeloading leeches. And doing it in HAWAII yet! That REALLY torques me! The least they could have done was to come to the Mainland and freeze their tushes on Wall St.


47 posted on 10/29/2011 8:30:18 AM PDT by Tucker39
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To: momtothree

Sometimes I’ll sample something from a package, etc. and I always put the wrapper, box, bottle, or price tag in the cart. They should have done likewise.


48 posted on 10/29/2011 8:32:59 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Yes... they should have. That being said, they shouldn’t have lost their daughter over it either. I guess this is a difficult case all around.


49 posted on 10/29/2011 8:34:18 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: FlJoePa

I have seen that and it makes me want to throw up


50 posted on 10/29/2011 8:37:13 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: muawiyah
Now that is an intersting legal concept: the grocery store assumed the risk when it placed the sandwich on the shelf. But what about the person assuming the risk when eating it while strolling the aisles?
51 posted on 10/29/2011 8:38:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Beelzebubba

Bull. The stores have the food and the cups with pop there so you will buy it and eat it while you shop.


52 posted on 10/29/2011 8:40:47 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: muawiyah

I’m trying to figure out if they offered payment when the mistake was apparent?
Why couldn’t they pay instead of going through all this or did the manager refuse the money?

They had just paid for groceries, so it doen’t seem like they were trying to steal?


53 posted on 10/29/2011 8:41:00 AM PDT by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: ladyvet

sheesh I have forgotten things in my cart, get outside, realize it and go back in to pay. It happens, Ms perfect, maybe not to you.


54 posted on 10/29/2011 8:42:47 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Allegra

“I’ve never had anyone complain about that”.

Actually, at our Safeway, the store manager actually suggested taking a bottle of water or other drink in the store. She did say to put it on the conveyer belt on the way out but she didn’t mind at all.


55 posted on 10/29/2011 8:46:14 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: mom4kittys

Yeah they offered to pay but the store “manager” had to make a federal case out of it


56 posted on 10/29/2011 8:48:49 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: FlJoePa
People that eat things that get weighed (like grapes) are simply stealing.

It's a matter of perspective then...If a store sells me a bag of good looking, sour grapes, they are stealing from me...If the grapes were consistently sweet, I wouldn't have a need to sample them before I buy them...

57 posted on 10/29/2011 8:49:13 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool

If you get grapes that are sour, you can return them to the store and get your money back. Eating anything that you didn’t pay for is stealing.


58 posted on 10/29/2011 8:51:05 AM PDT by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: mom4kittys

I was wondering... while the couple was putting their groceries on the conveyer belt if the manager had approached them and asked, “Did you eat an item during your shopping trip?”... that could have shown their true intent. If they said, “Oh my goodness, yes we did. We had two sandwiches” then they forgot. If they said, “Nope, not us”.. then they were lying. One simple sentence/question from the manager could have prevented such a controversy. IMHO.


59 posted on 10/29/2011 8:51:21 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: 1rudeboy
When you put your products on a shelf for customer self-selection you, the merchant, bear the risk of accident or damage.

Cans fall, plastic wrap rips, sneezes happen, bottles break ~ that's part of the cost of doing business.

You start demanding only perfect customers who never drop stuff, or bump against your shelves, you will have an empty store.

There's a whole science behind this ~

There are also thieves ~

60 posted on 10/29/2011 8:51:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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