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Guns: This isnít Salt Lake City (States' Rights Good all of a sudden)
Boston Globe ^ | OCTOBER 28, 2011 | Boston Globe Editorial

Posted on 10/29/2011 7:39:39 AM PDT by goldstategop

That would mean that a permit from Utah, a state with notably lax standards for concealed-carry permits, as well as permits from every other gun-toting state, would be valid in Massachusetts. Under the latest version of the bill, people with out-of-state permits would be allowed to carry guns on Massachusetts streets even if state laws would otherwise make it illegal for them even to possess a firearm.

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonglobe.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012election; banglist; bostonglobe; concealedcarry; msm; nationalreciprocity; righttocarry; secondamendment
What would you know - the MSM has suddenly discovered states' rights is good! The gun banners are suddenly passionate advocates of respecting federalism and local rule. What they really hate is that you get to keep your Second Amendment rights no matter where you are in America. No wonder the National Reciprocity Act sticks in their craw. Its just headed for the House floor. The Boston Globe wants the Senate to kill it. They'll probably succeed - but its an idea whose time has come.
1 posted on 10/29/2011 7:39:45 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

States’ Rights for Massachusetts...but not for Alabama.


2 posted on 10/29/2011 7:49:23 AM PDT by kjo
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The Denver Post has a similar editorial. Its all so predictable with liberals saying the same thing all over the country: gun rights bad, federalism good! If free speech rights were treated like guns are by the states, those hypocrites would be urging the swift passage of a national reciprocity law. What it boils down to is rights for me but not for thee.


3 posted on 10/29/2011 7:57:02 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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And so of course,,,Utah and all the others should not be forced to recognoze a Massachustetts gay marriage? Mayby they are onto something hahahaaha

They still don’t think we will play their way,, do they?


4 posted on 10/29/2011 7:57:53 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

They want to do that... but then again, they only respect states’ rights when it suits them.


5 posted on 10/29/2011 7:59:55 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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ok guys,, forgive my spellling, havent had coffee yet. Butr the thought was good,,huh?

It’s like poker, “Ok, ill see your gay marriage,,and raise you nationwide recognition of my state concealed carry permits”.

They are so amateur.


6 posted on 10/29/2011 8:01:05 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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You forget one thing: most of the country voted to ban same sex marriage. Liberals have fought to overturn it. But when it comes to guns, a minority of states with restrictive laws are allowed to hold the rest of the country hostage. When elections don’t go their way, the Left gets to rewrite the rules.


7 posted on 10/29/2011 8:05:29 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Interesting isn’t it? Remember how hard they fought to get that very state to go gay marriage,,the tactic being that all others would have to recognize a state license?

How soon they forgot.
The left recognizes no limits from the people, or any constitutional structure. The constitution means one thing today, and then tomorrow they use the same exact clause oppositely if it advances the socialist revolution.


8 posted on 10/29/2011 8:12:16 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: goldstategop
If this bill is brought up in the Senate, John Kerry and Scott Brown — and every other right-thinking senator — should vote against it.

Right-thinking? I wish the Boston Globe would stop forcing their damn religious beliefs about right and wrong on the rest of us. ;-)

9 posted on 10/29/2011 8:14:51 AM PDT by rhombus
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This is the first time I can recall liberals having something good to say about “right-thinking.” ;-) They usually are allergic to it. :)


10 posted on 10/29/2011 8:20:35 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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hahaha not that kind of “right-thinking” I’m sure.


11 posted on 10/29/2011 8:25:22 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: goldstategop

This is not a states rights issue, but a Constitutional issue. The Second Amendment applies to ALL states and citizens. What part of “Shall not be infringed” do they not understand?


12 posted on 10/29/2011 8:33:52 AM PDT by Crazy ole coot (Mr. obama (the squatter in the Whitehouse) is NOT a Natural Born Citizen!!)
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It all depends on how you interpret the Constitution. Besides, every one knows gun nuts are homicidal maniacs.


13 posted on 10/29/2011 8:36:47 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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I really hate to have to say this, but the Constitution means what it says. It doesn’t need to be interpreted. I’m not a fancy college graduate, but I can read and understand the Constitution. The Bill of Rights are a listing of our God given rights and the states shouldn’t (don’t) have any say over them. Even the Federal Government shouldn’t (don’t) have any say over them.

Of course, that has changed over the years and our Rights are slowly being changed and taken away due to our “gods in black” on the Supreme Court.


14 posted on 10/29/2011 8:42:05 AM PDT by Crazy ole coot (Mr. obama (the squatter in the Whitehouse) is NOT a Natural Born Citizen!!)
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To: goldstategop

As the guy said, call me a gun nut again, and I will blow your head off.

To the easily offended or those unable to comprehend, it was a JOKE.


15 posted on 10/29/2011 8:51:59 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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16 posted on 10/29/2011 8:52:40 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: goldstategop
Utah, a state with notably lax standards for concealed-carry permits,

Clueless reporter alert. Of all the CCWs available to out of state residents, Utah is one of the most difficult. It requires a state certified instructor, a set number of hours for the course and live fire proficiency.

17 posted on 10/29/2011 9:19:59 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: goldstategop

Well, we all know that words don’t kill people. Books do.


18 posted on 10/29/2011 9:27:21 AM PDT by MaxMax
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I’m signed up for a Utah license course/class at local Cabelas in two weeks, but somehow getting one just doesn’t motivate me to consider visiting Massachusetts. `


19 posted on 10/29/2011 9:51:52 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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Report: Massachusetts most violent state in Northeast
20 posted on 10/29/2011 10:26:48 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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"Utah, a state with notably lax standards for concealed-carry permits,"

Clueless reporter alert. Of all the CCWs available to out of state residents, Utah is one of the most difficult. It requires a state certified instructor, a set number of hours for the course and live fire proficiency.

I just found Massachusetts' guidelines for applying for a nonresident permit: http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/chsb/firearms/Non-resident_20100126.pdf

It is not that much different than Utah's, other than that Mass' is more expensive, and only valid for one year. Also, for Mass, if you are a resident, the police chief of your municipality or city gets to decide the licensing requirements. Some are more pro 2A than others, but the key here is that broad discretion is given to an entity whose job should be enforcing, not interpreting the laws.

Once again, this is a prime example of a reporter that never bothered to do the research, and instead chooses to interject their opinion rather than fact. I'm not surprised to hear that coming from a Masshole, though. No offense intended toward Massachusetts residents that have to live with this insanity.

21 posted on 11/01/2011 2:35:48 PM PDT by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy
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