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Salt Lake City Council makes vehicle idling longer than 2 minutes illegal
Deseret News ^ | 25 Oct 2011 | Jared Page

Posted on 10/29/2011 10:59:10 AM PDT by smokingfrog

SALT LAKE CITY — Motorists who leave their vehicles idling for more than two minutes in Utah's capital city run the risk of being fined.

The Salt Lake City Council voted unanimously Tuesday to approve an ordinance making idling of vehicle engines a crime punishable by a fine of between $50 and $210, depending on the number of offenses and how quickly fines are paid.

The goal, city leaders said, is to improve air quality in the Salt Lake Valley, where more than 50 percent of air pollution comes from vehicle exhaust.

"Anything we can do to reduce pollution on an individual basis contributes to what we need to do on a valley-wide basis," Councilman Stan Penfold said.

The ordinance includes plans for a public awareness campaign and a six-month grace period to make sure Salt Lake City residents and visitors are aware of the new law and its purpose before any fines are issued.

First-time offenders of the ordinance will be let off with a warning.

"Our primary goal is to educate as opposed to enforce," Councilman Carlton Christensen said.

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: nannystate; pollution; regulation; saltlakecity; utah

1 posted on 10/29/2011 10:59:15 AM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

We have traffic lights that go longer than that. Should be a good source of revenue. /sarc


2 posted on 10/29/2011 11:00:16 AM PDT by Zarro ("I'll never apologize for America's greatness." - Herman Cain)
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To: smokingfrog

Public Servants Gone Wild. Someday, the voters are going to wake the hell up and remind these morons who they work for.


3 posted on 10/29/2011 11:01:07 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: smokingfrog
""Our primary goal is to educate as opposed to enforce," Councilman Carlton Christensen said."

Sureeeee it is...

4 posted on 10/29/2011 11:03:31 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: smokingfrog
a crime punishable by a fine of between $50 and $210...
Our primary goal is to educate as opposed to enforce...


This is your mormon. This is your mormon on crack.
5 posted on 10/29/2011 11:06:43 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: smokingfrog

Video City PoloiJerks Limos, POVs, city vehicles, ... idiling for more than two minutes. Then turn the Videos over to BrightBart, Hannity, etc., and watch the City PoliJerks cry.


6 posted on 10/29/2011 11:07:03 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: smokingfrog

Will Huntsman take credit for this piece of crap too? Guess these folks are still living in 1970 because since cars started coming with fuel injection, the computers are very adept at handling the changes in exhaust gases.


7 posted on 10/29/2011 11:08:37 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: smokingfrog

Don’t these people have other things to do instead of putting shackles on the people?


8 posted on 10/29/2011 11:14:02 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: smokingfrog

They were kind enough to include exemptions when the temperature is 32 degrees or below, or when it is 90 degrees or above.

So if it’s 34 degrees, they can turn on their motor for 2 minutes, then turn it off, then back on, then off, then back on... I’m going to buy stock in companies that make Starters.


9 posted on 10/29/2011 11:16:21 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: samadams2000
City cops idling in the shade while thay make a few calls on the city's dime, oh, and the air on full.

Train crossings, red lights, absurdity on parade.

'Course, if idling is bad, then stands to reason actual driving, which creates even mnore exhaust, is not too far behind as a target.

The logical end result of ALL lib/dem rules and regs is total disaster and failure.

10 posted on 10/29/2011 11:19:18 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: smokingfrog

Yep...”Land of the free”...


11 posted on 10/29/2011 11:20:06 AM PDT by ex91B10 (The only option now is mass resistance.)
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To: smokingfrog

The commenters there aren’t too impressed either.


12 posted on 10/29/2011 11:20:52 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Oatka

as usual this is aimed at big trucks the poli’s dont care if i have to stay warm (or cool) while i sleep in my cab


13 posted on 10/29/2011 11:24:46 AM PDT by jneesy (Under Reagan we had Johnny Cash and Bob Hope under Obama we have niether cash nor hope)
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Uh Oh! Didn't Donate?


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14 posted on 10/29/2011 11:41:04 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: smokingfrog

Insanity!


15 posted on 10/29/2011 11:42:41 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: smokingfrog
More dumb laws=more D-bagging by otherwise good cops and more $ out the wallet. Said dumb law is using the excuse of something that does not exist
16 posted on 10/29/2011 11:43:23 AM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: SandRat

Good thinking SR.


17 posted on 10/29/2011 11:43:50 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SandRat

Good thinking SR.

I am sure there will be tons of city street workers sitting in nice toasty warm truck cabs on the job site this winter.


18 posted on 10/29/2011 11:45:28 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

“I am sure there will be tons of city street workers sitting in nice toasty warm truck cabs on the job site this winter.”

...and they won’t be very happy when they are busted all over youTube.


19 posted on 10/29/2011 12:10:33 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: smokingfrog
where more than 50 percent of air pollution comes from vehicle exhaust

Does this cover such vehicles as railroad engines and airplanes, The railroad engines have limited emissions controls and there current are none for jet engines. Both of these vehicles idle for longer then 2 minutes daily in the course of their duties.

It is estimated that On-Road Mobile sources – cars, trucks, buses, and other vehicles licensed for highway travel, generate 37% of Nox while Non-Road Mobile sources – aircraft, ground support equipment, construction equipment, farm equipment, boats, locomotives, and lawn and garden equipment, generate 19% of Nox emissions.

20 posted on 10/29/2011 12:14:31 PM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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To: Lockbox
I hate to plug a product on this forum but they need to check out Envirotabs at http://www.greenfootglobal.com/Jhalderman
The test results are coming just great in pollution reduction.
Let the Flames begin. Just check it out first.
Thanks
21 posted on 10/29/2011 12:42:39 PM PDT by tbird-james
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To: Truth29

It’s so predictable what will happen. They made the new law as gentle as possible. Once it’s approved, enforcement will go up, and the fine will be very easily increased from the $20 level. That’s how taxes creep on us.


22 posted on 10/29/2011 1:03:06 PM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
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To: smokingfrog
Do you really think people are going to shut off their engines when it is -10F with a howling wind? Seriously. You need the heat from the engine to stay alive and keep the windshield from being covered in ice from simple breathing inside the vehicle. Left wing idiots. SLC has the largest non-Mormon population in the state. The usual shiftless, leftist trash is attracted to big city life in the capital.
23 posted on 10/29/2011 1:04:14 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: jneesy
as usual this is aimed at big trucks the poli’s dont care if i have to stay warm (or cool) while i sleep in my cab

I understand from one of my sons, a long hauler, NO IDLING UNLESS IT"S BELOW 20 degrees - or above 90.

Now, as you say, you guys LIVE in those trucks. That would be like saying you can't turn on your furnace unless it's below 20 or y our air unless above 90.

In addition - when it's 90 OUTSIDE your truck, your cab and sleeper berth is up to 20 degrees hotter.

For example, when he crisscrossed Texas this summer - which was almost always well above 100 degrees, his cab reached 130 degrees more than once.

This can make you dangerously sleepy while behind the wheel = and can dehydrate and kill you in the berth.

That's not to mention, you cannot sleep that kind of heat. That impacts your 'manage your fatigue' directive and makes your driving more dangerous.

But government egg heads - whatever they come up with, there's one common denominator: One size fits all.

Don't tell them, but most truckers know how to get around this, for the most part. They know how to jury-rig it, by-passing the system.

My son, however, (who just picked up a brand new truck with the idle freeze built in, told them he wasn't going to do that. He said: "YOu either get an authorized waiver today from the manufacturer that allows me to have it by-passed or you get the truck back tomorrow."

He's been on the road enough years and with a top tier reputation that they acquiesced. He doesn't suffer fools gladly.

24 posted on 10/29/2011 1:12:37 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: Myrddin
"Do you really think people are going to shut off their engines when it is -10F with a howling wind? Seriously. You need the heat from the engine to stay alive and keep the windshield from being covered in ice from simple breathing inside the vehicle. Left wing idiots. SLC has the largest non-Mormon population in the state. The usual shiftless, leftist trash is attracted to big city life in the capital."

I doubt they care. It's about more revenue.

25 posted on 10/29/2011 1:14:03 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Myrddin

With the forever road construction going on along the I-15 corridor, the traffic jams are as bad as Los Angeles.


26 posted on 10/29/2011 1:26:12 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Obama Voters: Jose Baez wants YOU for his next jury pool.......)
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To: tbird-james
Still doesn't stop the ‘no idle’ laws.

(How much do you get for each click on the site?)

Sounds like another one the many ‘green outfits’ that got/still getting Obumbles stimulus money.

27 posted on 10/29/2011 1:27:37 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: ErnBatavia
I really dislike the drive up I-15 from San Diego to my home in Pocatello. It is especially bad north of Nephi where much of that freeway construction is getting done. Much less in southern Utah. A fast run for the 920 mile path is about 14 hours, 30 minues for me. Road construction is the main impediment to maintaining a good average speed home.
28 posted on 10/29/2011 1:51:29 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: mylife
It will be especially fun catching the City PoliJerk’s Limo idling for more than two minutes.
29 posted on 10/29/2011 1:55:57 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

Man, don’t get stuck in traffic.


30 posted on 10/29/2011 2:04:21 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

Like when Obummer comes to town to campaign for Lord HAW-HAW Reid.


31 posted on 10/29/2011 2:06:10 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: smokingfrog

So what happens when they make your car illegal? Does it get deported? :-)


32 posted on 10/29/2011 2:21:31 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: SandRat

Yeah. And I want to see how many of these council-nannys drive gas-guzzling SUV’s too.


33 posted on 10/29/2011 4:11:01 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: going hot

Two nights ago, as I was coming home from work here in Contra Costa County, CA, I was “passed” by two CHP Crown Vics that were running way in excess of 100 mph (it was probably more like a buck twenty) w/o benefit of lights or sirens. Where were they going? They were headed down the freeway about five miles to “relieve” their fellow officers who are enjoying a new perc that California has inherited from Taxachusetts, namely sitting on night highway construction sites with their lights and engines running all night long. I guess midnight was the shift change and they were late to provide relief to their “brother officers” who had the swing shift as it was about 11:50. We pay these people to sit on their asses and do nothing!


34 posted on 10/29/2011 11:34:04 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Rurudyne; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel; AdmSmith; ...

Thanks smokingfrog, from the 29th.


35 posted on 11/03/2011 6:02:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: smokingfrog; Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; ...

They really have nothing better to do?

Nanny State PING!


36 posted on 11/04/2011 3:17:43 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: SandRat

Conservatives need to do a lot more of that sort of thing.

Street theater works. We need to make it work more for us.


37 posted on 11/04/2011 5:25:05 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: smokingfrog

Sooo, how many kids are they going to cook this summer? 88 degrees outside can mean temps well over 100 inside.


38 posted on 11/04/2011 5:35:11 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: smokingfrog

Liberals just getting what they vote for. If you elect Libtards, you get libtard policies.


39 posted on 11/04/2011 6:36:52 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


40 posted on 11/04/2011 6:47:08 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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