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BREAKTHROUGH POWER TEST A SUCCESS, BUT A.P. SITS ON IT | The American Reporter
E-Cat News ^ | Oct. 30, 2011 | admin

Posted on 10/30/2011 6:55:36 AM PDT by count-your-change

The writer appearing at the E-Cat News site complains about the lack of comment by the AP, they being invited to witness the recent test of Rossi's e-cat cold fusion steam maker.

It's suggested the lack of news reports on the progress of the device is depriving the world's downtrodden masses of their cheap energy and all that that would bring.

Yes, if only the poor billions had an e-cat to heat their huts.

It appears they will have to wait a bit longer.


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Of course if the poor were rich they could just buy a 1 Mw. unit for their huts.
1 posted on 10/30/2011 6:55:40 AM PDT by count-your-change
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To: count-your-change

American media are worse than even Pravda or Tass News service. Anything that improves ordinary people’s lives, they are against. And the media being the mouthpiece of the elite, the elitists want us to live in sub-standard conditions ! The elite feel that only THEY can live the good life but no one else can !


2 posted on 10/30/2011 7:02:25 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: count-your-change

AP is just part of the big Crony Capitalism machine...and in partnership with Big Oil/Electricity/Government.

“If we don’t report it, it didn’t happen.”
“We hide it so you can’t decide it.”
“News you can’t use.”
“The news you thought you knew but didn’t really.”


3 posted on 10/30/2011 7:05:32 AM PDT by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: count-your-change

If I make a perpetual motion machine and the AP doesn’t report it, does that mean it works?


4 posted on 10/30/2011 7:09:43 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: count-your-change
It has been reported here, I don't recall the news source.

But the curious thing, and one explicitly designed to eliminate press coverage, was Rossi's declarations that we would see no more demonstrations.

5 posted on 10/30/2011 7:12:05 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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6 posted on 10/30/2011 7:13:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: count-your-change

Hmmmmm, I’d really like to see some physics on this.

This sounds like the sort of “science’ that comes out of the Obamaloon administration or the Global Warming crowd.

Not that I’d not like to see it succeed, but there is most certainly a lack of real data.


7 posted on 10/30/2011 7:13:31 AM PDT by Da Coyote (Ngs)
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To: Da Coyote

If it’s written down somewhere then it must e true?


8 posted on 10/30/2011 7:17:15 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Da Coyote

http://iris.lib.neu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=physics_fac_pubs&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dweak%2520force%2520low%2520energy%2520nuclear%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26sqi%3D2%26ved%3D0CB0QFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Firis.lib.neu.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1010%2526context%253Dphysics_fac_pubs%26ei%3D-ZusTuGQPIOLsQKfz9nyDg%26usg%3DAFQjCNHvu-8AffltUWIkZX2MTFVZ02zcZw%26sig2%3Dig4iEyZW6Nb7f0WlChGU1w#search=%22weak%20force%20low%20energy%20nuclear%22 seems to be a primer on the matter. AND http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/theory/weakinteract.html ~ just to give you a start on the “science” part. Take it or leave it ~ your choice.


9 posted on 10/30/2011 7:21:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: moovova
The boundless hyperbole at the link more than makes up for any silence of the AP.

But I have s suggestion for the AP lead:

Happy days are here again, Wealth to the masses can begin, Free energy without end, Just buy the e-cat steamin’ gin, Burma-Shave!

10 posted on 10/30/2011 7:23:39 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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11 posted on 10/30/2011 7:23:49 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Da Coyote

I have an associate who is a huge global warming Obamabat who started hyping the company that sucks up grant money for this project. She has been hyping me onto it for a month now. Stock has actually gone from 24 cents to 29 cents over the past few weeks.

Along with buying lottery tickets, I cannot think of a faster way to lose money, well, maybe at least someone wins in the lottery eventually. Her last big push was Evergreen Solar. I love getting investment suggestions from her, they are usually amusing.


12 posted on 10/30/2011 7:29:14 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: CORedneck
Some of the ‘buzz’ words were missing from the demo:
Carbon foot print, green (anything), climate change, etc.

Hot air will float more e-cats than hot water.

13 posted on 10/30/2011 7:30:01 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

ping


14 posted on 10/30/2011 7:32:04 AM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Absolutely. Conspiracy, has to be. If it didn’t work “THEY” would say so, but since “THEY” haven’t.....


15 posted on 10/30/2011 7:33:03 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: moovova
What's going on is a bit obscure and the linkages aren't all clear, but the LENR community has FOUND ENEMIES.

There's a group of FUSIONISTS who criticize and actually try to repress any experiments or developments based on the use of "low velocity neutrons" ~ e.g. Rossi's e-Cat, and a number of other projects that've shown surplus heat and even residual transmutations of metals (otherwise unexplained)

These guys just won't hear of it ~ much like the high energy physics guys ~ it's hard enough getting grants and they don't want the competition.

However, the biggest bunch of opponents are, of course, the Environmentalists who want solar power, windpower, waterpower or recycling! Last thing they want are a bunch of folks turning nickel into waste copper (at less cost with fewer problems).

Rossi's story of encountering Mob interference in his earlier work at reprocessing oil sounds very real ~ and in Italy they do have their connections with the government. In Italy, there've been lengthy periods of history where "the Mob" was, in fact, "the government". He moved to the US after that but he went to the fellows at Perugia for advice ~ seems they have a fair history in advanced physics ~ maybe someday we'll see the Italians roll out atom bombs eh!

The long and the short of it is AP is faced with reporting something done in a field (LENR) which will be denounced by the Fusionist cabal, the professional Environmentalists, and the Mob.

AP has no reputation for being courageous or brave in modern times. They might even be placing an order for an e-Cat to heat their headquarters, but you'll never hear about it from them.

16 posted on 10/30/2011 7:35:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Rudder
"But the curious thing, and one explicitly designed to eliminate press coverage, was Rossi's declarations that we would see no more demonstrations. "

Something in common with ALL the previous scam artists pulling this crap in the past

Rossi needs to turn it on, let it run, let it be examined, and sit back and shut up and start counting the money rolling in. NONE of this drama would be necessary if it was real.

17 posted on 10/30/2011 7:41:02 AM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Mouton
What project are you talking about? Rossi doesn't take US government money (though it is being speculated that is mystery customer is DARPA).

started hyping the company that sucks up grant money for this project

18 posted on 10/30/2011 7:43:09 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Yes, which is why my special blend pixie dust has been an excellent replacement for natural gas in our home. If AP reported on it, it would probably stop working.


19 posted on 10/30/2011 7:45:24 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: count-your-change

Is this real? I would re-mortgage the house to invest in this if it were.


20 posted on 10/30/2011 7:45:55 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: muawiyah
"These guys just won't hear of it ~ much like the high energy physics guys ~ it's hard enough getting grants and they don't want the competition."

Only an idiot non-scientist would think like that.

Scientists are not ALL evil conspirators bilking the public money gravy train. I've worked with more of them than most people here (100's) and have yet to meet one who was truly evil money scammer.

yes they apply for funding but all the ones I know would be appalled at the thought of lying on research for personal gain, and be horrified at the thought of public humiliation they would suffer if found out.

The ones we hear about (globull warming) ARE bought and paid for government lefties, not taken seriously by anyone except the libtard media.

21 posted on 10/30/2011 7:46:40 AM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Mr. K
Exactly! The demonstration does not need to have bells and whistles or produce electricity, but it does need to produce heat in the absence of some other type of chemical reaction and it needs to be reproducible by other labs.
22 posted on 10/30/2011 7:48:17 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Rudder

I suppose if Rossi wanted press coverage he could have done the demos in a public setting instead of by invite only.

Anyway, the internet is bigger than AP.


23 posted on 10/30/2011 7:52:23 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

If this worked it would not be reported first by the AP or any other media. It would first be announced in an offering memorandum for investors.


24 posted on 10/30/2011 7:53:35 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Mr. K
Something in common with ALL the previous scam artists pulling this crap in the past

Agreed. I'd really like this to be true, but I believe that:

An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof.

Or if you prefer, you can substitute Carl Sagan's version: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

Or Pierre-Simon Laplace: "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness".

Or David Hume: ""A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence".

Rossi needs to turn it on, let it run, let it be examined, and sit back and shut up and start counting the money rolling in. NONE of this drama would be necessary if it was real.

Agreed. All of this screwing around just screams: "scam!!". I really hope that it isn't. But, until I see it replicated by an independent evaluator, I'm not holding my breath.

I don't expect him to give up trade secrets. Just hand one of his prototype catalyzers to an independent lab and let them run their own tests to measure the output, free of any "assistance" from Rossi and his cohorts.

25 posted on 10/30/2011 7:59:46 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Da Coyote
Rossi had several papers from others on his blog that suggested theories of how cold fusion worked without saying that his device was actually working on any one of those principles.

His process is secret like Colonel Sanders’ eleven different herbs and spices so all is conjecture without knowing just what Rossi is doing.

26 posted on 10/30/2011 8:00:42 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Rudder
Delicious, isn't it. Continual inconclusive and nonscientific testing and hyperbole. These are the hallmark of Junk Science. The misnaming of the item E-Cat is your first clue. The only people writing about this world changing discovery are those promoting it. To them, press release and peer review are synonymous. They are not. I will admit that I am more than just a sckeptic of peer review, but with all of the people working in the energy research area, it would not be difficult to have folks independently test the product. Rossi’s inventions have been shown to be fraudulent in the past. Of course, the believers will point out that he has never be convicted of such. Of course they are now mixing judicial functions with science. Global Warmers will likely not face prosecution either, but it is no less a scientific fraud as popularized by the willing and highly unscientific press.
27 posted on 10/30/2011 8:04:01 AM PDT by fuente
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To: muawiyah

The paper you cite refers to metal hydride. That is where I would expect the source of heat is from. Basically an expensive battery.

Hydrides are a favorite tool of scam artists. They have high energy density, look like rocks, and release energy when exposed to water. They get passed off as an energy source, but are no such thing. Rather they are an energy storage medium, and so long as the ‘charging’ process is done off stage, short demonstrations can be very convincing and misleading.


28 posted on 10/30/2011 8:05:47 AM PDT by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: Raycpa

From the comments section on The American Reporter site,

“You also failed to mention that a huge (appx 500 kW) diesel generator was present and running during the entire test. Why? You further failed to note that the test was completely unnecessary. It is easier and quicker and cheaper to test a single module rather than 50 at once as Rossi did. But it is much easier to hide non-nuclear sources of energy and other trickery such as energy storage devices in such a large (shipping container sized) machine. Rossi has now done more than a dozen tests over something like eight months.”

What is needed is a clean reproducible experiment with as few variables as possible... no bells and whistles... no electrical generation... no unmonitored outside connections.


29 posted on 10/30/2011 8:06:41 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Mr. K
Oh, my goodness. I've stepped on somebody's toes.

Hey, I've worked with scientists who didn't think they ought to pay full postage on nonpresorted mailings ~ where they got caught and had to come up with a big deficiency.

My discovery is simplicity itself ~ scientists come in two flavors ~ "political scientists" (and you know who they are), and "scared scientists" who discover they need to pay unbidden bills.

All of them act the same way and tell the same convenient lies they imagine will get them off the hook.

Well doggone if those lies don't work. The bill collectors always know eh!

The truth is every scientist of whatever stripe likes to get paid. University of Maryland had a program it was managing for the Department of Energy that paid $50 a month to former USSR scientists so they'd stay in Russia and not sell out to the Iranians. As things settled down the cost increased and I don't know where that program is at this time, but when it gets down to income scientists are human. But you already know that or you wouldn't be trying to convince me they adhere to a higher morality. That's just total BS.

30 posted on 10/30/2011 8:09:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mr. K

You were making that same argument 5 years ago ~ so far you haven’t caught anybody doing fraudulent LENR work ~ or you’d be using them as an example.


31 posted on 10/30/2011 8:10:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Wildbill22
Oh, it's real but real what is the biggie question. Is it a minor but interesting curiosity? A scam? A break through on a level with the ight bulb and the Internet?

So far it's like finding a few gold flakes in the mud, there may be something deeper to be found with lots of work or maybe flakes is all that will ever be found.

32 posted on 10/30/2011 8:12:34 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: donmeaker
There are numerous fellows out there using metal hydrides because, in fact, you can build up a charge on them.

Now, some references to the scam artists and their tricks ~ bring them on. Always interested in what they're up to.

33 posted on 10/30/2011 8:15:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CORedneck

“The elite feel that only THEY can live the good life but no one else can !”

Back when people took the concept of personal private moral failing seriously, the concept of schadenfruede and taking a malicious satisfaction in the postion you held above others, was recognized as a “sin”. I think the catholic church even had a latin name for it.

But, hunman nature being what it is, even the most humble and lowly tend to gloat a little and want to retain their position of superiority over their fellows who are even lower in the pecking order.


34 posted on 10/30/2011 8:16:47 AM PDT by ngat
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To: Raycpa

I would think so. The deep pocket investors are the people to court and invite to demos.


35 posted on 10/30/2011 8:24:14 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: donmeaker
Note, the "hydride" in question refers to a very small amount usually used to assist in "tuning" a free neutron to the right power level ~ which requires reading a number of other papers to understand properly (so you are stuck with my non-scientist reportage on that item).

If they can drop HUGE amounts of energy into these small needle shaped devices they've certainly got some winning batteries.

I don't recall encountering any reports that had large sheets of hydrides involved.

36 posted on 10/30/2011 8:36:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

so all sceintists are evil?


37 posted on 10/30/2011 8:37:28 AM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: muawiyah

That is a crazy statement.... show me someone who has NOT been doing fraudulent work- i.e. proven successful


38 posted on 10/30/2011 8:44:32 AM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Mr. K
I didn't use that word. You did. My comments concern little more than their interest in paying bills, particularly SURPRISE bills.

You know how you'd feel if you got a call from the Post Office, "Hey, Mr. K, you know that mailing? Well, your account was short $150,000, and BTW, you owe us another $250,000 postage for that and two other mailings that failed presort and you didn't come and fix."

You know the response.

Doesn't make you "evil" ~ but it makes you "human"!

The WORST customers I ever encountered were University Deans with Ph.Ds. who didn't want to negotiate about how USPS was going to deliver mail to them ~ rather, their idea was that they should DICTATE all of that to the local postmaster.

IDIOTS. Did they imagine no one in USPS had ever had to deal with Ph.Ds? Good grief, some of my best friends were economists with degrees from more than one university!

I dislike Deans enormously.

Rather do an audit on a mob owned publisher anytime.

39 posted on 10/30/2011 9:09:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fuente

fuente, you are totally correct.

So they called it a “success” after only 6 hours testing? Tsk. Tsk. And apparently they have not reached the intended power rating.

Everything demonstrated so far can be duplicated as a shorted conventional Ni/H battery. If they insist on a 6-hour test, the output steam should be at least 375oC, greater than the critical temperature of water. Steam at 106oC makes for very poor generation of electricity.

Besides, little relevant info on the generator is given. Who cares about pictures? Go to a movie studio and the stagehands can build props just as realistic.


40 posted on 10/30/2011 10:11:29 AM PDT by barracuda1412
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To: barracuda1412

Think that one through a bit ~


41 posted on 10/30/2011 10:24:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
What's going on is a bit obscure and the linkages aren't all clear, but the LENR community has FOUND ENEMIES.

Thank you for the interesting lesson. Of the three enemies...the Fusionists, the Environmentalists, and the Mob(!)...I would be most fearful of the Environmentalists!

42 posted on 10/30/2011 10:24:51 AM PDT by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: muawiyah

you are talking about idiot bureaucrats, i am talking about scientists


43 posted on 10/30/2011 10:45:14 AM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Mr. K
They're the same folks ~ just some of them gave up "science" for "political science".

There seems to be an erroneous belief afoot that holds that scientists are "special" and are "no longer human".

Again, total BS.

They eat, they defecate, they earn money and pay bills. They like to get in out of the rain ~ well, some of them do ~ others stand there twirling around on one foot, hands held out to catch the drops, clothes on the ground ~ ah, yes, I've seen that before.

Now about the "bureaucrats", some scientists actually need keepers.

44 posted on 10/30/2011 10:57:48 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“in fact, you can build up a charge on them.”

What does build up a charge on them mean?


45 posted on 10/30/2011 4:30:47 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Mouton
Stock has actually gone from 24 cents to 29 cents over the past few weeks.

SELL! SELL!


46 posted on 10/30/2011 4:36:18 PM PDT by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: babygene

http://www.cobasys.com/pdf/tutorial/inside_nimh_battery_technology.pdf ~ fairly lengthy but the electrode involves using protons for charge exchange. I recall reading this years ago but it’s still a top draw on the look up for BATTERY


47 posted on 10/30/2011 4:42:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: count-your-change

“His process is secret like Colonel Sanders’ eleven different herbs and spices so “

Ironic that you mention the Colonel: KFC hasn’t used those herbs and spices in decades and has replaced most of it with different kinds of salt.


48 posted on 10/31/2011 8:25:05 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: muawiyah

I hate everybody in this argument.


49 posted on 10/31/2011 8:27:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I guess some Occupiers are more 99% than other Occupiers.)
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To: CodeToad

At the KFC here the chicken is decades old. But secret herbs and spices sounds so much better than dull old “salt”.

For instance, anyone ever ask if you like salty food? Probably not. Anyone ever ask if you like spicey food? There ya go.


50 posted on 10/31/2011 8:51:33 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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