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Armed guards to protect British ships from pirates
Telegraph ^ | 30 Oct 2011

Posted on 10/30/2011 9:20:20 AM PDT by george76

British ships are to be allowed to carry armed guards to protect them from pirates, David Cameron has announced.

A legal ban on weapon-toting protection staff will be relaxed so that firms can apply for a licence to have them on board in danger zones.

The Prime Minister said radical action was required because the increasing ability of sea-borne Somali criminals to hijack and ransom ships had become "a complete stain on our world".

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Under the plans, the Home Secretary will be given the power to license vessels to carry armed security, including automatic weapons, currently prohibited under firearms laws.

Officials said around 200 were expected to be in line to take up the offer, which would only apply for voyages through particular waters in the affected region. It is expected to be used by commercial firms rather than private sailors - such as hostage victims Paul and Rachel Chandler.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: pirates; somali; somalia; unitedkingdom

1 posted on 10/30/2011 9:20:23 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76
"...radical action..."

LOL. Whatever you say.

2 posted on 10/30/2011 9:22:12 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: george76

Time to play the old game of, “imagine if Bush had done that”. Can you say, “cowboy”? Come on, ya know ya can.


3 posted on 10/30/2011 9:23:07 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: george76

Depends on the armaments involved - are they packing small arms, or something big enough to blow them out of the water?


4 posted on 10/30/2011 9:23:12 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Marking time on the government's dime...)
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To: george76
The Prime Minister said radical action was required because the increasing ability of sea-borne Somali criminals to hijack and ransom ships had become "a complete stain on our world".

Cameron better watch his tongue! That can be interpreted by some as being racist!

5 posted on 10/30/2011 9:24:18 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: Old Sarge

Paint them and smoke them.


6 posted on 10/30/2011 9:27:20 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: george76
HOZE-EM!!!

7 posted on 10/30/2011 9:28:02 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: george76
Obvious solution, about ten years too late. A few experienced veteran sharpshooters with sniper rifles and M-4's should suffice.
8 posted on 10/30/2011 9:29:24 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: george76

Water cannon, boiling vats of oil, flame throwers, electirfied railing...........


9 posted on 10/30/2011 9:34:20 AM PDT by umgud
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To: Chode

Neat toy! I know people who make some of the parts inside that thing.


10 posted on 10/30/2011 9:40:44 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: george76

But...But...Evil people might be hurt. Next, commoners will want to be able to own guns to protect their homes. Oh, the violence........


11 posted on 10/30/2011 9:44:03 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: Chode

It’s beautiful, man!


12 posted on 10/30/2011 9:48:17 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: george76

What I find to be a sign of insanity is that British law has to be changed to allow their ships sailing into troubled waters to protect themselves.

Admiral Lord Nelson must be spinning in his grave.


13 posted on 10/30/2011 9:51:06 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: george76
A legal ban on weapon-toting protection staff will be relaxed so that firms can apply for a licence to have them on board in danger zones.

Until complete safety can be assured, and it can not be, every zone is a danger zone; at best safety is only belief about probability.

14 posted on 10/30/2011 9:51:53 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: george76

about damn time

I have never understood how motley poorly equipped Muslim bandits in tiny boats could overtake a large modern tanker. Put radar on board and weapons that can sink small craft. If you can’t make radio contact on one approaching your ship, sink it.


15 posted on 10/30/2011 9:59:35 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: coloradan

The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm.

‘Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?’

‘No Ma’am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my shotgun.’


16 posted on 10/30/2011 9:59:54 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
I dunno, I still like the Russian solution...

"Apparently they all have died"

17 posted on 10/30/2011 10:00:06 AM PDT by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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To: FunkyZero

Catch and release, comrade.....


18 posted on 10/30/2011 10:08:18 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: george76

Bring back the commerce raiders, then when the pirates are cleaned up go after the illegal fishing in their waters.


19 posted on 10/30/2011 10:20:10 AM PDT by Dawggie
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To: george76

There aren’t very many British-registered ships around. Its not a popular “flag of convenience”.

Perhaps a few more vessels will be shifted to British registration because of this, but based on the numbers its insignificant in itself.

However, it could start a change with the shipowners and insurers.


20 posted on 10/30/2011 10:32:03 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: george76

I cynically state any vessel that does arm with such guards will probably be cut off from insurance by Lloyds.

Seems from past readings that Lloyds has been a major obstacle to such action as guards on board the vessels, or arming of qualified crew members.


21 posted on 10/30/2011 10:40:40 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I don’t know why they’d do that. They wouldn’t have to stump up so much cash for every time one of their insured vessels gets hijacked...


22 posted on 10/30/2011 10:50:34 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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23 posted on 10/30/2011 10:56:05 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: umgud

Nonsense just a couple of .50 cal. heavy machine guns & a couple of RPG-7,s manned by security guards round the clock & if the sailors run into a mother ship a 120mm recoiless gun mounted atop the wheelhouse . The key is to not get cuaght with your pants around your ankles.


24 posted on 10/30/2011 11:03:22 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Dawggie

Not commerce raiders that is what the pirates are doing bring back the armed merchant man cargo ship concept with trained crews of gunners who would also be qualified watch standers aboard ship.


25 posted on 10/30/2011 11:07:23 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Dawggie

Just put a bounty on the pirates and let them kill each other off.


26 posted on 10/30/2011 11:31:53 AM PDT by almost done by half
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“....They wouldn’t have to stump up so much cash for every time one of their insured vessels gets hijacked...”

Tell them.


27 posted on 10/30/2011 11:56:26 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: mazda77
good, and i'm sure they are proud of their work as they should well be...
28 posted on 10/30/2011 12:22:40 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

You have no idea. :)


29 posted on 10/30/2011 12:24:55 PM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: rabidralph
damn straight..
30 posted on 10/30/2011 12:38:33 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: george76

Had the U.N. Small Arms treaty been law, the legality of nations arming their merchant ships in international waters would have been disputed...perhaps even abrogated.

To Americans this arming is only common sense and self-defense. Yet, somehow, to the British this is a ponderously difficult issue for them; a profound change that may lead to a radical undermining of British society and four o’clock tea..

Go Figure!


31 posted on 10/30/2011 12:59:06 PM PDT by firefox ((Vote Democrat...Its Easier Than Thinking!))
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To: Nebr FAL owner

My reference to commerce raiders was to the style of ship. Innocent looking, but armed to the teeth.


32 posted on 10/30/2011 1:39:02 PM PDT by Dawggie
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To: LegendHasIt

Civilian ships, Einstein.


33 posted on 10/30/2011 3:05:23 PM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

This misses the point — the PROBLEM is that it’s not AGAINST THE LAW for Somalian pirates to be armed. Geez.

Thanks george76. ;’)


34 posted on 10/30/2011 4:42:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
I don’t know why they’d do that. They wouldn’t have to stump up so much cash for every time one of their insured vessels gets hijacked...

Your response is logical, but I have often seen leftists do things that do not make sense. I have often seen ideology triumph over common sense and profits. Is the board of Lloyds dominated by doctrinaire leftists, as the BBC seems to be?

35 posted on 10/30/2011 5:12:54 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: the scotsman
"Civilian ships, Einstein."

Did I say otherwise?
OBVIOUSLY a military ship will be armed. Any ship, Merchanter, passenger or pleasure should have an armory of some sort, and ones going into regions where they are likely to meet pirates, especially so.

Also, you should learn some manners.

36 posted on 10/30/2011 7:16:10 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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