Skip to comments.Cain: "Irresponsible" for Bush to set Iraq date (He was referring to Obama)
Posted on 10/30/2011 4:51:07 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
(CBS News) Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday it was "irresponsible" for former President George W. Bush to set a withdrawal date from Iraq, and that President Obama should have re-evaluated that date upon taking office. Cain, in an appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation," said that a "responsible Commander in Chief" would have consulted military commanders on the ground and asked, "Should we continue with this or should we modify it?"
"Look, President Obama changed a lot of other things that Bush started, so I don't believe that he's doing it because it was in the Bush doctrine," he said, of Mr. Obama's recent announcement of a full Iraq withdrawal by the end of 2011.
Cain went on to say, "Look, President Obama changed a lot of other things that Bush started, so I don't believe that he's doing it because it was in the Bush doctrine," he said, of Mr. Obama's recent announcement of a full Iraq withdrawal by the end of 2011.
Shieffer also tried to argue with Cain about 9-9-9 vs. 9-0-9, saying Cain had CHANGED the plan. Shieffer wouldn't accept Cain's statement that 9-0-9 was always in the plan, but nobody had bothered to read it.
Shieffer also goes on and on about the smoking commercial, saying it implies that smoking is cool, asking Cain to take the ad down, and to tell people not to smoke. I can't wait for the day when Cain reminds everyone that Obama smokes, AND that smoking is LEGAL. So Bob, if you think that tiny video (and Bob, it wasn't an AD!!) of some obscure guy named Mark Block tells young people that smoking is cool, what do you think Obama smoking tells young people??? Obama is the President of the United States, a position that many young people admire and aspire to, and HE SMOKES. So Bob, the last time you interviewed Obama, did you ask him to stop smoking and to tell young people not to smoke??
It's really sad that these media people have so much power over voters. Really sad.
By the way, you can watch the interview here:
“former President George W. Bush set a withdrawal date from Iraq,”
Factually true. He signed the SOF agreement with the Iraqis which mandates our leaving Iraq by the end of the year. Deal with it Bush bot.
Obama could negotiate a new contract with the Iraqis but not throw the old one in the basket. Bottom line...Obama screwed up on any long term agreement and all he had was Bush’s agreement which the arrogant bas**** touted as his own.
I don’t have any problem saying that Bush was irresponsible. If he had behaved like a conservative, we would not now be suffering thru a recession and Obama.
“If he had behaved like a conservative, we would not now be suffering thru a recession and Obama.”
I didn’t see Face the Nation this AM. There was a football game on that channel where I live. But I’ve certainly heard about how B.S. went to war with Mr. Cain from my out of state friends! Both shows have stirred up a hornet’s nest out here.! I am sorry if Mr. Cain apologized to that hack for his smoking ad! The more I see it, the funnier it is! The media on both shows plugged in their own toasters this morning!
Close enough for me. I certainly don’t hear the other candidates ready to take on Obama (and Bush for that matter), in this mess.
George Hussein Obushma?
But for the record, you both missed my point. My point was not that Bush set the date, or that Cain agreed that Bush was just as wrong to have set the date. My point was that Cain was specifically referring to the recent announcement by Obama of the date-certain that the US would be out of Iraq. Cain said it was irresponsible for a Commander in Chief to do that. Shieffer pressed him to say that it was Bush who set that date. Then the title of the article was that Cain had said Bush was irresponsible.
In other words, Cain said A. Shieffer said B. Cain agreed with B, even though that's not what he was talking about. The story becomes B.
I was merely commenting that CBS was doing bait-and-switch, and poor reporting for sensationalism.
And Brilliant, I don't have any problem with stating that Bush was just as wrong on this issue. And I agree with you that spending has been out of control for decades.
The media will always play games. Let them do it... and then call them on it.
You can watch the Face The Nation interview here. It’s about 15 minutes long:
I believe the day they signed the status of forces agreement is the day the reporter threw the shoe at Dubya - so the news was all about the shoe (ha ha) and nothing about the substance of the big meeting.
What he is not good at is identifying when they have walked him into a corner. And he's not good at turning it around on Obama. He spends too much time defending himself and not enough time on the offense towards Obama.
This smoking thing is a perfect example. Everything Cain says is correct (we're not saying smoking is cool, Mark Block is a smoker, let people be people, etc.), but it's also a perfect opportunity to go on the offensive and calmly say, “I agree with you, that smoking is dangerous and as role models, we do have to be very careful about what message we send to our young children. That's why I wish President Obama would have quit smoking a long time ago, and along with Michelle's campaign to get America to eat healthier, the two of them could have started a campaign to prevent young people from starting smoking. I wonder why the President hasn't done that, don't you?”
Everybody is so ready to call names here in FR these days... comes from the breakup into various pro-this-candidate, pro-that-candidate camps, I guess.
The attack on you was stupid and your come-back was one of the best I’ve read in years.
“Isn’t keyboard courage great!?”
You bots are one to talk. I lost count of the number of times you bots threatened me and my family’s life all because I had the temerity to write that perhaps Medicare Part D - aka free pills for granny - was a disgusting waste of taxpayer dollars or that Dubya’s signing of the Campaign Finance Reform was unconstitutional or that hooking up with Ted Kennedy to write an education bill was a disgrace.
I call BS drama queen, link just one.
I posted an article, in which I wasn't defending or attacking Bush.
You immediately posted and called me a Bush bot, even though my posting of the article had absolutely nothing to do with you.
I called you out on name-calling.
You cite a past history with OTHER PEOPLE, not me, of having called you names etc., as justification for calling me names.
Mighty Christian of you, Brother.
And last time I checked, no one is forcing you to stay on this website. It's a free world — why don't you leave if it upsets you so much?
And by the way, it's a really Liberal trait to lump everyone in the same pot, when I've never posted to you in my life before today. Maybe look into getting a book on paranoia, or anger management, or perhaps on behaving like an adult, or maybe on being a good Christian. Just sayin.
This is the primary Cain theme in the MSM:
Falsely report that Cain said something contradictory or incorrect, or that he is flip-flopping his position.
Thank you, kind Sir. :-)
Well said, BCA, but the best way to deal with posters like this is to ignore them. I’m convinced people like him/her get off on all the responses.
Do NOT feed the trolls!
This is standard Drive-by media proceedure.
Most people never read past the headline, so the Drive-bys lie like rugs in the headline, and then cover their ass deep in the article.
Its not “factually true” for the Mediots to say that Cain was taking Bush to task when he was talking about The Terrorist in Chief.
1.Herman Cain said 9-0-9 was always part of the 9-9-9 plan from the beginning but people didn't want to do the research.
here is what Cain said on Oct. 14th. forget the Afrocentric remarks about blacks being in his zones and pay attention to his remarks on the numbers.
I believe in empowerment zones. Most of the unemployed black Americans in this country are in these mostly economically depressed areas. It could be, and Im only using this as an example, because we havent finished establishing the parameters yet. Instead of in a designated empowerment zone, it being 9-9-9, it could be, as an example only, 3-3-3. What this does, because you have a lot of African-Americans located in cities like Detroit, disproportionately, it would encourage businesses to stay in business there or to move there. It would encourage people to work there, because if you live in the empowerment zone, youre going to pay a smaller percentage in taxes.
2. He also said he wasn't necessarily going to put an electric fence but there would be a fence on the border but not the entire border. The rest would be surveillance and troops.
When will you people realize this guy is making it up as he goes along. You loved him for his electric fence, because that's what you wanted to hear, but his border security plan is a less informed version of Perry's. I said this 2 weeks ago.
Cain is allowed by his followers, and that's what I will call them now, to make it up as he goes along.
He agreed abortion should not be part of the political discussion a few days ago on Fox and Friends.
He lied about 9-0-9 being always part of his plan or he lied on Oct. 14th or he just is trying to sell a product he knows nothing about.
He stirred up the crowd about his electric fence, he implied it would go the entire border, now not only does it not traverse the border, it's not even electric.
Oh and remember the only reason he couldn't be Perry's VP was because he was weak on border security, but Cain has adopted an uniformed version of it.
I am convinced he is simply a diversion for Romney. This interview was a killer.
>> “If he had behaved like a conservative, we would not now be suffering thru a recession and Obama” <<
That is false from top to bottom.
There is nothing that W could have single-handedly done to correct the empty mortgage problem, but he did try. The crash was not in any way of W’s doing. It started in early 2007 when the dems took over congress, and started demanding tax increases, which had the immediate effect of making employers reverse their hiring policies that had led to the highest level of employment ever experienced in our history, and to begin the rapid shedding of non-essential employees. Many of the laid off workers were, of course, the same folks that were struggling along with their CRA-inspired mortgages.
The entire banking industry had been in a precarious position since a short recession in ‘89-’90 had begun to undermine those CRA mortgages, so it took very little to set them tumbling, and the Pelosi-Reid lay-offs were just what the doctor ordered.
That set the stage for a small group of bank officers (democrats, all of them) to deliberately pull the plugs on their own banks. That is the genesis of our “recession.”
This is not an appology for W, he did, after all, go along with TARP, but he didn’t start the tumble.
Normy the liar strikes again!
Why do you always come away with nonsense?
Are your ears defective? - Perrywinkle’s syndrome perhaps?
So what exactly did he say was a lie? The quote from the show, the quote from Oct. 14, what?
>> “I lost count of the number of times you bots threatened me and my familys life...” <<
Are you going postal on us?
Could your loss of count be due to the fact that the number is Zero?
I did not lie. Now you can go sulk or face the truth.
If he’d just used the veto, we’d be far better off than we are.
Is that you Crazy Willy?! Are you putting me on?!
“I posted an article, in which I wasn’t defending or attacking Bush.”
Nonsense. The point of your post was to shift the blame for the pullout of Iraq onto Odumbo rather than Dubya. Those of us who don’t want to see history whitewashed find that obnoxious. What’s next? Medicare Part D was John Kerry’s bill?
Actually thanks to the Admin Mods most of those folks have been banned and the threads pulled. Doesn’t mean my ping page wasn’t replete with guttural snipe time and again.
Thanks. Usually I do ignore them. But when someone posts a blatant name-calling attack as post #2 on a thread, I had to call him out on it.
He’s not worth the time.
I lost count of the number of times you bots threatened me and my familys life all because
I call BS drama queen, link just one.
Now your post to editor-surveyor:
Actually thanks to the Admin Mods most of those folks have been banned and the threads pulled. Doesnt mean my ping page wasnt replete with guttural snipe time and again.
There's a lot of difference between guttoral snipe and threatening you and your family's life.
You said the Mods pulled most of the threads, that means some remain.
Once again I'll say link one of them.
Cain said it was irresponsible for a Commander in Chief to give a date-certain for pulling out of Iraq. He was talking about Obama. Shieffer said, "But that was George Bush." So CBS reports it as Cain saying Bush was wrong, when in the interview, he was clearly talking about Obama.More SeeBS. G'night all.