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Cain: "Irresponsible" for Bush to set Iraq date (He was referring to Obama)
CBSnews.com - Face The Nation ^ | 10-30-11 | CBS - Face The Nation

Posted on 10/30/2011 4:51:07 PM PDT by BagCamAddict

(CBS News) Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday it was "irresponsible" for former President George W. Bush to set a withdrawal date from Iraq, and that President Obama should have re-evaluated that date upon taking office. Cain, in an appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation," said that a "responsible Commander in Chief" would have consulted military commanders on the ground and asked, "Should we continue with this or should we modify it?"

"Look, President Obama changed a lot of other things that Bush started, so I don't believe that he's doing it because it was in the Bush doctrine," he said, of Mr. Obama's recent announcement of a full Iraq withdrawal by the end of 2011.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushsfault; cain; hermancain; iraq; obama; smokingman
CBS's reporting on this interview is pathetic. I listened to the whole interview. Cain said it was irresponsible for a Commander in Chief to give a date-certain for pulling out of Iraq. He was talking about Obama. Shieffer said, "But that was George Bush." So CBS reports it as Cain saying Bush was wrong, when in the interview, he was clearly talking about Obama.

Cain went on to say, "Look, President Obama changed a lot of other things that Bush started, so I don't believe that he's doing it because it was in the Bush doctrine," he said, of Mr. Obama's recent announcement of a full Iraq withdrawal by the end of 2011.

Shieffer also tried to argue with Cain about 9-9-9 vs. 9-0-9, saying Cain had CHANGED the plan. Shieffer wouldn't accept Cain's statement that 9-0-9 was always in the plan, but nobody had bothered to read it.

Shieffer also goes on and on about the smoking commercial, saying it implies that smoking is cool, asking Cain to take the ad down, and to tell people not to smoke. I can't wait for the day when Cain reminds everyone that Obama smokes, AND that smoking is LEGAL. So Bob, if you think that tiny video (and Bob, it wasn't an AD!!) of some obscure guy named Mark Block tells young people that smoking is cool, what do you think Obama smoking tells young people??? Obama is the President of the United States, a position that many young people admire and aspire to, and HE SMOKES. So Bob, the last time you interviewed Obama, did you ask him to stop smoking and to tell young people not to smoke??

It's really sad that these media people have so much power over voters. Really sad.

By the way, you can watch the interview here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7386472n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

1 posted on 10/30/2011 4:51:13 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: BagCamAddict

“former President George W. Bush set a withdrawal date from Iraq,”

Factually true. He signed the SOF agreement with the Iraqis which mandates our leaving Iraq by the end of the year. Deal with it Bush bot.


2 posted on 10/30/2011 4:54:09 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: BagCamAddict

Obama could negotiate a new contract with the Iraqis but not throw the old one in the basket. Bottom line...Obama screwed up on any long term agreement and all he had was Bush’s agreement which the arrogant bas**** touted as his own.


3 posted on 10/30/2011 4:55:36 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: BagCamAddict

I don’t have any problem saying that Bush was irresponsible. If he had behaved like a conservative, we would not now be suffering thru a recession and Obama.


4 posted on 10/30/2011 4:56:39 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

“If he had behaved like a conservative, we would not now be suffering thru a recession and Obama.”

MEGABUMP!


5 posted on 10/30/2011 5:00:01 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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6 posted on 10/30/2011 5:01:48 PM PDT by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: BagCamAddict

I didn’t see Face the Nation this AM. There was a football game on that channel where I live. But I’ve certainly heard about how B.S. went to war with Mr. Cain from my out of state friends! Both shows have stirred up a hornet’s nest out here.! I am sorry if Mr. Cain apologized to that hack for his smoking ad! The more I see it, the funnier it is! The media on both shows plugged in their own toasters this morning!


7 posted on 10/30/2011 5:03:05 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( I like Herman Cain)
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To: BagCamAddict

Close enough for me. I certainly don’t hear the other candidates ready to take on Obama (and Bush for that matter), in this mess.


8 posted on 10/30/2011 5:05:28 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney)
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To: BagCamAddict

George Hussein Obushma?


9 posted on 10/30/2011 5:05:38 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: KantianBurke; Brilliant
Hey Kantian, thanks for the name-calling. I appreciate your adult behavior. Isn't keyboard courage great!? :-)

But for the record, you both missed my point. My point was not that Bush set the date, or that Cain agreed that Bush was just as wrong to have set the date. My point was that Cain was specifically referring to the recent announcement by Obama of the date-certain that the US would be out of Iraq. Cain said it was irresponsible for a Commander in Chief to do that. Shieffer pressed him to say that it was Bush who set that date. Then the title of the article was that Cain had said Bush was irresponsible.

In other words, Cain said A. Shieffer said B. Cain agreed with B, even though that's not what he was talking about. The story becomes B.

I was merely commenting that CBS was doing bait-and-switch, and poor reporting for sensationalism.

And Brilliant, I don't have any problem with stating that Bush was just as wrong on this issue. And I agree with you that spending has been out of control for decades.

10 posted on 10/30/2011 5:06:14 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: BagCamAddict

The media will always play games. Let them do it... and then call them on it.


11 posted on 10/30/2011 5:10:53 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Paperdoll

You can watch the Face The Nation interview here. It’s about 15 minutes long:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7386472n&tag=contentMain;contentBody


12 posted on 10/30/2011 5:10:58 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: KantianBurke

I believe the day they signed the status of forces agreement is the day the reporter threw the shoe at Dubya - so the news was all about the shoe (ha ha) and nothing about the substance of the big meeting.


13 posted on 10/30/2011 5:11:19 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Brilliant
Cain is really good at stopping them in their tracks when they ask two questions in one, and he separates it into the two separate issues.

What he is not good at is identifying when they have walked him into a corner. And he's not good at turning it around on Obama. He spends too much time defending himself and not enough time on the offense towards Obama.

This smoking thing is a perfect example. Everything Cain says is correct (we're not saying smoking is cool, Mark Block is a smoker, let people be people, etc.), but it's also a perfect opportunity to go on the offensive and calmly say, “I agree with you, that smoking is dangerous and as role models, we do have to be very careful about what message we send to our young children. That's why I wish President Obama would have quit smoking a long time ago, and along with Michelle's campaign to get America to eat healthier, the two of them could have started a campaign to prevent young people from starting smoking. I wonder why the President hasn't done that, don't you?”

14 posted on 10/30/2011 5:15:20 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: BagCamAddict

Everybody is so ready to call names here in FR these days... comes from the breakup into various pro-this-candidate, pro-that-candidate camps, I guess.

The attack on you was stupid and your come-back was one of the best I’ve read in years.

Well-done. Bravo.


15 posted on 10/30/2011 5:15:49 PM PDT by samtheman (Newt? Can you do it? Can you repudiate your time on the Pelosi couch?)
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To: BagCamAddict

“Isn’t keyboard courage great!?”

You bots are one to talk. I lost count of the number of times you bots threatened me and my family’s life all because I had the temerity to write that perhaps Medicare Part D - aka free pills for granny - was a disgusting waste of taxpayer dollars or that Dubya’s signing of the Campaign Finance Reform was unconstitutional or that hooking up with Ted Kennedy to write an education bill was a disgrace.


16 posted on 10/30/2011 5:17:01 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke; BagCamAddict
I lost count of the number of times you bots threatened me and my family’s life all because

I call BS drama queen, link just one.

17 posted on 10/30/2011 5:32:06 PM PDT by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: KantianBurke
So let's see...

I posted an article, in which I wasn't defending or attacking Bush.

You immediately posted and called me a Bush bot, even though my posting of the article had absolutely nothing to do with you.

I called you out on name-calling.

You cite a past history with OTHER PEOPLE, not me, of having called you names etc., as justification for calling me names.

Mighty Christian of you, Brother.

And last time I checked, no one is forcing you to stay on this website. It's a free world — why don't you leave if it upsets you so much?

And by the way, it's a really Liberal trait to lump everyone in the same pot, when I've never posted to you in my life before today. Maybe look into getting a book on paranoia, or anger management, or perhaps on behaving like an adult, or maybe on being a good Christian. Just sayin.

18 posted on 10/30/2011 5:38:29 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: BagCamAddict

This is the primary Cain theme in the MSM:

Falsely report that Cain said something contradictory or incorrect, or that he is flip-flopping his position.


19 posted on 10/30/2011 5:44:28 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: samtheman

Thank you, kind Sir. :-)


20 posted on 10/30/2011 5:46:34 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: BagCamAddict

Well said, BCA, but the best way to deal with posters like this is to ignore them. I’m convinced people like him/her get off on all the responses.

Do NOT feed the trolls!


21 posted on 10/30/2011 5:48:36 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: BagCamAddict

This is standard Drive-by media proceedure.

Most people never read past the headline, so the Drive-bys lie like rugs in the headline, and then cover their ass deep in the article.


22 posted on 10/30/2011 5:49:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: KantianBurke

Its not “factually true” for the Mediots to say that Cain was taking Bush to task when he was talking about The Terrorist in Chief.


23 posted on 10/30/2011 5:55:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: BagCamAddict
Thanks for the link to the actual interview. Most Freepers wont check it out but here's what I came away with.

1.Herman Cain said 9-0-9 was always part of the 9-9-9 plan from the beginning but people didn't want to do the research.

here is what Cain said on Oct. 14th. forget the Afrocentric remarks about blacks being in his zones and pay attention to his remarks on the numbers.

I believe in empowerment zones. Most of the unemployed black Americans in this country are in these mostly economically depressed areas. It could be, and I’m only using this as an example, because we haven’t finished establishing the parameters yet. Instead of in a designated empowerment zone, it being 9-9-9, it could be, as an example only, 3-3-3. What this does, because you have a lot of African-Americans located in cities like Detroit, disproportionately, it would encourage businesses to stay in business there or to move there. It would encourage people to work there, because if you live in the empowerment zone, you’re going to pay a smaller percentage in taxes.”

2. He also said he wasn't necessarily going to put an electric fence but there would be a fence on the border but not the entire border. The rest would be surveillance and troops.

When will you people realize this guy is making it up as he goes along. You loved him for his electric fence, because that's what you wanted to hear, but his border security plan is a less informed version of Perry's. I said this 2 weeks ago.

Cain is allowed by his followers, and that's what I will call them now, to make it up as he goes along.

He agreed abortion should not be part of the political discussion a few days ago on Fox and Friends.

He lied about 9-0-9 being always part of his plan or he lied on Oct. 14th or he just is trying to sell a product he knows nothing about.

He stirred up the crowd about his electric fence, he implied it would go the entire border, now not only does it not traverse the border, it's not even electric.

Oh and remember the only reason he couldn't be Perry's VP was because he was weak on border security, but Cain has adopted an uniformed version of it.

I am convinced he is simply a diversion for Romney. This interview was a killer.

24 posted on 10/30/2011 6:07:05 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Brilliant

>> “If he had behaved like a conservative, we would not now be suffering thru a recession and Obama” <<

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That is false from top to bottom.

There is nothing that W could have single-handedly done to correct the empty mortgage problem, but he did try. The crash was not in any way of W’s doing. It started in early 2007 when the dems took over congress, and started demanding tax increases, which had the immediate effect of making employers reverse their hiring policies that had led to the highest level of employment ever experienced in our history, and to begin the rapid shedding of non-essential employees. Many of the laid off workers were, of course, the same folks that were struggling along with their CRA-inspired mortgages.

The entire banking industry had been in a precarious position since a short recession in ‘89-’90 had begun to undermine those CRA mortgages, so it took very little to set them tumbling, and the Pelosi-Reid lay-offs were just what the doctor ordered.

That set the stage for a small group of bank officers (democrats, all of them) to deliberately pull the plugs on their own banks. That is the genesis of our “recession.”

This is not an appology for W, he did, after all, go along with TARP, but he didn’t start the tumble.


25 posted on 10/30/2011 6:12:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: normy

Normy the liar strikes again!

Why do you always come away with nonsense?

Are your ears defective? - Perrywinkle’s syndrome perhaps?


26 posted on 10/30/2011 6:16:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

So what exactly did he say was a lie? The quote from the show, the quote from Oct. 14, what?


27 posted on 10/30/2011 6:18:22 PM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: KantianBurke; Admin Moderator

>> “I lost count of the number of times you bots threatened me and my family’s life...” <<

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Really?

Are you going postal on us?

Could your loss of count be due to the fact that the number is Zero?


28 posted on 10/30/2011 6:23:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Lie? No sir, Cain lied and you can't handle the truth because you put your hopes and dreams into a person. Yes the preacher is making it up as he goes.

I did not lie. Now you can go sulk or face the truth.

29 posted on 10/30/2011 6:27:08 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy

LOL!


30 posted on 10/30/2011 6:28:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

If he’d just used the veto, we’d be far better off than we are.


31 posted on 10/30/2011 6:29:01 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: editor-surveyor

Is that you Crazy Willy?! Are you putting me on?!


32 posted on 10/30/2011 6:29:47 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: BagCamAddict

“I posted an article, in which I wasn’t defending or attacking Bush.”

Nonsense. The point of your post was to shift the blame for the pullout of Iraq onto Odumbo rather than Dubya. Those of us who don’t want to see history whitewashed find that obnoxious. What’s next? Medicare Part D was John Kerry’s bill?


33 posted on 10/30/2011 6:37:19 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: editor-surveyor

Actually thanks to the Admin Mods most of those folks have been banned and the threads pulled. Doesn’t mean my ping page wasn’t replete with guttural snipe time and again.


34 posted on 10/30/2011 6:39:55 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Thanks. Usually I do ignore them. But when someone posts a blatant name-calling attack as post #2 on a thread, I had to call him out on it.

He’s not worth the time.


35 posted on 10/30/2011 7:25:07 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: KantianBurke; editor-surveyor
Your statement and my first post to you which you ignored:

I lost count of the number of times you bots threatened me and my family’s life all because

I call BS drama queen, link just one.

Now your post to editor-surveyor:

Actually thanks to the Admin Mods most of those folks have been banned and the threads pulled. Doesn’t mean my ping page wasn’t replete with guttural snipe time and again.

There's a lot of difference between guttoral snipe and threatening you and your family's life.

You said the Mods pulled most of the threads, that means some remain.

Once again I'll say link one of them.

36 posted on 10/30/2011 7:42:01 PM PDT by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks BagCamAddict.
Cain said it was irresponsible for a Commander in Chief to give a date-certain for pulling out of Iraq. He was talking about Obama. Shieffer said, "But that was George Bush." So CBS reports it as Cain saying Bush was wrong, when in the interview, he was clearly talking about Obama.
More SeeBS. G'night all.


37 posted on 10/30/2011 9:02:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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