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LCS "Ugly Duckling" Turning Into A Swan
Lexington Institute ^ | October 26, 2011 | Daniel Goure

Posted on 10/31/2011 5:00:50 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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Speed is a major ingredient of littoral combat ships such as the future USS Fort Worth, designed for flexibility and agility.

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/10/30/3486502/first-sea-trial-goes-according.html#ixzz1cMMDnQ5W

1 posted on 10/31/2011 5:00:52 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Freedom class:

Independence class:

A Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) is a type of relatively small surface vessel intended for operations in the littoral zone (close to shore). It is "envisioned to be a networked, agile, stealthy surface combatant capable of defeating anti-access and asymmetric threats in the littorals."[1] Two ship classes are the first examples of the LCS in the U.S. Navy: the Freedom-class and the Independence-class. LCS designs are slightly smaller than the US Navy's guided missile frigates, and have been likened to corvettes of other navies. However, the LCS designs add the capabilities of a small assault transport with a flight deck and hangar large enough to base two SH-60 Seahawk helicopters, the capability to recover and launch small boats from a stern ramp, and enough cargo volume and payload to deliver a small assault force with armoured fighting vehicles to a roll-on/roll-off port facility. The standard armament for the LCS is Mk 110 57 mm guns. It will also be able to launch autonomous air, surface, and underwater vehicles.[2] Although the LCS designs offer less air defense and surface-to-surface capabilities than comparable destroyers, the LCS concept emphasizes speed, flexible mission module space and a shallow draft. The first Littoral Combat Ship, the USS Freedom (LCS-1), was commissioned on November 8, 2008 in Veteran's Park, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[3] The second ship and first of the trimaran design, the USS Independence (LCS-2), was commissioned on January 16, 2010, in Mobile, Alabama.[4]

2 posted on 10/31/2011 5:09:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

One of the smartest guys in my high school is on the engineering team for the Independence.


3 posted on 10/31/2011 5:36:02 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Traditional surface combatants are just fine for doing the Navy's constitutional functions of protecting our foreign commerce during peacetime and destroying an opponent's navy during time of war.

These crappy little things are designed for furthering our insane policy of foreign meddling.

4 posted on 10/31/2011 5:58:07 AM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Ron Paul 2012)
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To: Incorrigible

My hat is off to him and his peers.


5 posted on 10/31/2011 6:04:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) has struggled to overcome the impression that it was the U.S. Navy’s “ugly duckling.”

Gee, if a LCS is an “ugly duckling” what would have they have called a LSD (Landing Ship Dock)?


6 posted on 10/31/2011 6:50:57 AM PDT by BilLies (ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!)
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To: magslinger

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7 posted on 10/31/2011 7:09:57 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: Incorrigible

My husband was responsible for the diesel engines in Freedom and after commissioning the ship, followed it all the way from WI to Norfolk to make sure all was well with engines.


8 posted on 10/31/2011 7:11:51 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I just wish they’d used the traditional categorization for ships like these and called them Corvettes.


9 posted on 10/31/2011 7:16:06 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: sukhoi-30mki

In the future, I’m looking for new ships such as “recoverable UAV carriers”, “expendable UAV carriers”, and exotic craft like “recoverable USV” craft.

In the first case, a ship that can launch and recover a large number of Reaper-type UAVs, along with maintenance-repair, refuel and rearm.

In the second case, a lower tech ship that can carry and launch what amounts to “buzz bombs”, with a similar mission to cruise missiles, but at far lower per-weapon cost.

The third ship would release and recover large numbers of torpedo-like, but low energy consumption unmanned submersibles, that can then patrol a wide sector of ocean, making it impassible to enemy ships and submarines.


10 posted on 10/31/2011 7:23:13 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: tanknetter
I just wish they’d used the traditional categorization for ships like these and called them Corvettes.

The trditional categorization is APD (High Speed Transport), or LPR (Amphibious Transport, Small)


11 posted on 10/31/2011 7:40:45 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE
These crappy little things are designed for furthering our insane policy of foreign meddling.

That's odd. Isn't the Coast Guard interested in these?
13 posted on 10/31/2011 10:52:11 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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Isn't the Coast Guard interested in these?

Not that I'm aware of. I remember hearing that a couple of foreign navies were interested but backed off due to the price.

14 posted on 10/31/2011 11:38:58 AM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Ron Paul 2012)
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That's odd. Isn't the Coast Guard interested in these?

No. In fact Northrup Grumman is pitching a greyfunnel version of its Coastie National Security Cutter (an actual blue water not littoral ship) to meet the Patrol Frigate requirement.


15 posted on 10/31/2011 11:55:02 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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16 posted on 10/31/2011 3:36:45 PM PDT by magslinger (To properly protect your family you need a Bible, a twelve gauge and a pig.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Unmanned vehicles is the way things are going. I know the next class of British frigates will have provision for 4-8 UAV’s.


17 posted on 10/31/2011 4:58:11 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“LCS program office’s absolute determination to constrain the corporate Navy’s attempts to add requirements and hence costs to the program.”

Wow it’s getting deep.

At $1B a ship when an aircraft carrier costs $6B I don’t think of the LCS as cheep.


18 posted on 11/01/2011 4:49:15 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

Or cheap for that matter.


19 posted on 11/01/2011 4:50:03 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi
At $1B a ship when an aircraft carrier costs $6B I don’t think of the LCS as cheap.

Haven't spent much time around Defense contracting or new system development, eh?

If each CVAN went through the same process as the LCS, you could multiply that cost you quoted by at least a few orders of magnitude.

Even if you manage to keep the Bright Ideas Brigade back inside The Beltway from sticking every bell and whistle known to mankind on the thing during the preliminary design.

What's a billion dollars more or less anyway, with the trillions that are being thrown around like party confetti? /sarc

20 posted on 11/01/2011 6:27:30 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((445 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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