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Teachers, Parents, Children and our Nation's Godlessly Socialist Schools/ ( Get the children OUT!)
October 31, 2011 | wintertime

Posted on 10/31/2011 6:06:27 AM PDT by wintertime

To those conservatives with firm Judeo-Christian values with children in our nation's government collectivist schools:

Your child's school is not "different". (Oh...yeah...I know...) Your child's school doesn't have homosexual prom Queen-queens or King-kings ( yet). They don't teach fisting ( yet). Your child's school has a holiday tree and sings a Christmas carol or two... but...your children **are ** attending GODLESS socialist schools that teach everything filtered through a socialist and GODLESSLY secular humanist worldview.

YOUR CHILDREN ARE BEING TAUGHT THE GOVERNMENT RELIGION OF GODLESS SECULAR HUMANISM!!!!

Children who attend godless socialist schools **will** learn to think and reason godlessly! They MUST merely to cooperate in the godless classroom, read and understand their godless textbook, and turn in their godless home assignments!

Children who attend our nation's socialist schools learn, merely by attending, that government has the police power to take money from neighbors to give them tuition-free schooling. They learn, too, that government has enormous police power to FORCE citizens to use the socialist schooling. Well! ( Is a “duh” needed here?) If government can give the kids "free" school, why not force citizens to pay for and use lots of "free" socialist goodies? No one should be surprised that Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected four times or that Obamacare was passed. Socialist and secular humanist, compulsory, government schooling made this inevitable!

PARENTS! ( Yes, I am shouting.) When you send your child off to a godless and socialist school, and then try to undo in a few minutes at home the** hours** of godless and socialist teaching of that school, don't be surprised that your children roll their eyes, sigh, and stand sullenly with one hand on the hip. Your kids are **correctly** thinking in their heads that you are a HYPOCRITE for sending them to a godless and socialist school in the first place!

TEACHERS! Give it up! If you **really** cared about kids, you would be rescuing these kids. You would be working to get kids OUT of these godless and socialist indoctrination camps! You would not be willingly seeking a job, taking money, supporting, establishing, opening the door of, and promoting a GODLESS and socialist institution. Teachers who care about kids don't teach them to think godlessly, hand out godless textbooks, or assign godlessly bland assignments, Teachers who love kids don't support an institution that teaches children to be comfortable with socialism or assist with it in ANY manner! Useful Idiots, though, do.

And....TEACHERS! ....If you foolishly believe that you can "sneak in" a few conservative and Christian principles into your classes then you are teaching a lesson! You are teaching kids that Christians and conservatives are SNEAKY!

Yeah! I am shouting. When are conservatives with Judeo Christian beliefs and values going to wake up and see the urgency?... Or?...Is the frog in the pot done? Should we put a fork in it, butter it, and lightly salt it?


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1 posted on 10/31/2011 6:06:29 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Looks like NYC will be encouraging 11 year olds to sleep around.


2 posted on 10/31/2011 6:15:10 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

40 minutes of Sunday School and a youth activity cannot undo 40 hours per week of secularist indoctrination either.


3 posted on 10/31/2011 6:18:30 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: wintertime

There cannot be such a thing as winning any sort of a culture war while sending your children off to the enemy for indoctrination.


4 posted on 10/31/2011 6:19:27 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: taterjay

That indoctrination is buttressed by the MSM and Hollyweird too!


5 posted on 10/31/2011 6:21:51 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: little jeremiah; metmom; Justaham; Westbrook; NYer; Don W; wagglebee; Nachum; John Semmens; ...
I don't post vanities very often. I thought you might be interested.

There are urgent and important threats to our nation's experiment in self government, and there are serious, but not urgent, threats to our freedom.

Government schools are our nation's **most** serious threat. It may not be urgent, but those who win the hearts and minds of the nation's children will win in the voting booth in just one or two generations.

Attention is being paid to the Marxist indoctrination found in our nation's colleges and universities, but it is these same universities that indoctrinate the government school teachers and many private school teachers, as well.

And...If our nation's classrooms were filled to the brim with young men and women who were firm in their faith, capable of defending it philosophically, and well rooted in the principles of our Founding Fathers, their Marxist professors would wilt before their righteousness. These Marxist moles would be like the Wicked Witch of the West! “Help me! I'm melting!”

6 posted on 10/31/2011 6:26:49 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: GeronL

Agreed. We can’t disappear of hide from the world, but we must manage it and lead when it comes to our kids. They will be what they will when grown, but it is our duty and responsibility to get them through the mine field until then. We have not even mentioned our duty and responsibility to our Lord. Have we been letting Him down these past 50 years?


7 posted on 10/31/2011 6:31:02 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: taterjay
40 minutes of Sunday School and a youth activity cannot undo 40 hours per week of secularist indoctrination either.
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Only a hypocrite would send their child into godlessly secular and socialist schools and then attempt to teach Judeo-Christian values and conservatism in the home. The kids know this.

Why do we wonder that so many children have that vacant, 20 degree off-centered stare, and the one hand on the hip stance, when adults try to talk to them?

And...Teachers would would **willingly** agree to work for, support, and uphold this godless socialist indoctrination can only be one of two things: EVIL or STUPID!

8 posted on 10/31/2011 6:34:07 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime
Mrs. Thorne and I are sending Little Miss Thorne to a private Christian school. It's expensive and sometimes they drive me a little crazy, i.e. one flake of snow and they close. But, they teach the Bible, have chapel, resolve conflicts like Christians, don't indoctrinate the post-modern paradigm (homosexuality and other deviancy, collectivism, America=bad, Third World=good, etc.).

It's expensive and the cost keeps us from paying off other debts and going on fancy vacations, but my daughter is a Christian who can actually think.

It's worth it and we believe we are serving God by sacrificing other things for her Christian education.

9 posted on 10/31/2011 6:34:37 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation!)
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To: taterjay
Have we been letting Him down these past 50 years?
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It's been much longer than that!

The first socialist government schools opened in the mid-1850s to early 1900s. At best they offered up a lukewarm and generic Protestantism. We know what Christ does with the lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth!

My paternal grandmother attended secular socialist schools. She was born in 1894. There was a HUGE difference between her secular government schooling and the Catholic education of my Catholic grandparents and mother.

10 posted on 10/31/2011 6:38:27 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Dr. Thorne

It might cost you quite a bit, but money can always be made somehow and frankly put, your daughter won’t require a lawyer to defend her and you won’t have to pay bills for a therapist to sort out her head after years aroudn the juvenile delinquints of public schools.


11 posted on 10/31/2011 6:48:52 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: wintertime
It is not enough that we remove SOME of the children from the public schools. This allows the perverse indoctrination to continue.

The Federal Gov’t must be COMPLETELY denied any influence on public schools. Public education should be the sole responsibility of local communities, without gov’t funds, mandates, or interference.

12 posted on 10/31/2011 6:50:15 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: wintertime

No one will believe this. (except those of us in the choir)
I talk to good families that rationalize it all away, while they tell me that their kids are watching “Bowling for Columbine” and that the homosexual kids are heroes to them.


13 posted on 10/31/2011 6:53:09 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: wintertime

Sooo, how are things going to change if you totally retreat from them? Our 5 year old son is in kindergarten in a school district with 767 students. I keep a close eye on what is being taught in the classroom. One more thing, how many of you have tried to get on the local school board? Change it from within. It’s not easy but anything worth having isn’t either.


14 posted on 10/31/2011 7:01:03 AM PDT by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: GeronL

fireworks ping

(Don’t know how you stand it, wintertime. Last time I posted such anti-ps sentiments, somebody went postal.)


15 posted on 10/31/2011 7:01:50 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (I believe in opinions on opinion forums, but you are free to disagree about that.)
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To: Mister Da
Public education should be the sole responsibility of local communities, without gov’t funds, mandates, or interference.
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Wow! I feel like banging my head against the nearest wall. Local government is **government**! Behind all government, on every level, stand armed police threat to enforce the law. Please remember that.

Even if government school districts were the size of a city block or a suburban housing division they would be SOCIALIST! Socialist funding is socialism.

Merely by attending children learn that government ( even local government) has enormous police power to take money from a neighbor to give a free school service to another. What kind of lesson is that to teach to a child???

Also....Even if schools districts were as small as one hundred households, then whose religious worldview would be taught? The default mode is either godless secularism or lukewarm and generic Protestantism. Teaching children to think godlessly is an abomination. And...We know what Christ does with the lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth!

The only possible solution: Is to first rescue the children in your family. Do it immediately. Then focus on the children of your congregation.

Solution: We must elect representatives who **will** dedicate themselves to beginning the process of complete privatization of all education. We need complete separation of school and state on **every** level: federal, state, county, town , district, and even down to the level of every city block and housing subdivision.

16 posted on 10/31/2011 7:04:28 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: kickonly88
How is it possible to change socialism and godlessness from within?

Do you remember the story of Joseph and Potiphar’s wife. Should Joseph have tried to change that situation from within? Hm? Or...Did Joseph flee?

17 posted on 10/31/2011 7:07:53 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime
Right now, the move is toward Homosexual education in our Public Schools. California started with banning terms like Mom and Dad and requiring that Homosexual leaders be mentioned in every grade level.

Flee is exactly the word we need here.

And what we need is a Constitutional Amendment that Marriage is between One Man and One Woman in America.

Because the Progressives are hell bent on wiping Holy Matrimony from the map.

18 posted on 10/31/2011 7:12:18 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: wintertime

Didn’t Jesus say something about going into the world but not being of it or was it let’s retreat from it and live in a bubble and hope for the best?


19 posted on 10/31/2011 7:12:38 AM PDT by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: wintertime

I am interested - thank you! and will ping it out this morning.


20 posted on 10/31/2011 7:15:56 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: kickonly88
Sooo, how are things going to change if you totally retreat from them?
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1) Children should not be used as cannon balls in a cultural war that should be fought by grown ups. This is especially true of a innocent child who is a mere 5 years old and likely still needs help with some bathroom activities and likely can't tie his shoes.

2) Government schools need two things: Students and money. Taking a child out of the government school starves the beast of a student ( and the money that comes from the government for that student). Electing representatives who will cut off the money will starve the beast, as well.

3) Go ahead and run for the school board. Doing so will never make a socialist school system into one that is not socialist. That is impossible. At best you might possibly achieve some sort of lukewarm and generic Protestant worldview for the curriculum. We know what Christ does with the lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth!

21 posted on 10/31/2011 7:16:38 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Dr. Thorne

May God bless you in your efforts.


22 posted on 10/31/2011 7:18:50 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime

A mass exodus from public school would be the only event that would give me hope for Americas future.


23 posted on 10/31/2011 7:18:52 AM PDT by Paytriot (Live long and prosper)
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To: wintertime

Learning that government has enormous power is an EXCELLENT lesson for children to learn!


24 posted on 10/31/2011 7:19:30 AM PDT by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: wintertime
Government schools are our nation's **most** serious threat. It may not be urgent, but those who win the hearts and minds of the nation's children will win in the voting booth in just one or two generations.

Don't know if you saw Newt's recent impressive video about the educational system... but he definately see's this as urgent... If you find the time take a look...worth the listen no matter what one thinks about his run, the guy is talking turkey to any who have ears to hear about what's really happening in the education system.

25 posted on 10/31/2011 7:23:32 AM PDT by caww
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To: Paytriot
A mass exodus from public school would be the only event that would give me hope for Americas future.
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Yes, indeed!

Socialist schooling is our nation's **most** serious threat. Simply by attending children learn that the government has enormous police power to take money from a neighbor to give them a tuition-free service. It is a short step from there to using the voting booth and government police force to take money for lots of other “free” stuff.

And...A religious vacuum can not exist in any sentient being. When a child's faith is destroyed something else will rush in, and in government schools that “something” is godless secular humanism.

26 posted on 10/31/2011 7:24:54 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Paytriot

As of this year all my grandkids are now being taught at home...something I never thought would occur in my lifetime...and they are loving it.

My sons and wives determined they no longer could offset what was being taught and what the kids had to expereince from “the teachers”...let alone the other students. Nottom line...”No more”.


27 posted on 10/31/2011 7:25:48 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
I was extremely disappointed with Newt's chapter on education in his book. Very disappointed! His chapter was like NCLB on steroids.

But....I will check it out.

28 posted on 10/31/2011 7:26:45 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime

He doesn’t need help with bathroom activities but if he had shoes with laces, he would probably need help with that. As for the rest, it’s a wheat and chaff thing. I can tell him what to retain and what to throw away. Will it be hard, yeah, probably.


29 posted on 10/31/2011 7:27:24 AM PDT by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: wintertime

If I did manage to get a seat on the school board I would suggest that the EIB be broadcast in the cafeterias.


30 posted on 10/31/2011 7:29:38 AM PDT by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: caww
Wow! Your family is truly blessed.

And...I bet that not even one of your grandchildren has that sullen pout, 20 degree off-centered stare, and one hand on the hip stance seen so frequently in children who are institutionalized for their schooling.

31 posted on 10/31/2011 7:29:38 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime

I saw the headline and thought “that sounds just like something ‘wintertime’ would write”... :)


32 posted on 10/31/2011 7:29:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: netmilsmom
I talk to good families that rationalize it all away

Which is a polite way of saying they don't want to bother otherwise...for to admit you're right they would be forced to action...they don't want to.

Another thing is the mindset of the parents with children today...human nature is taking a huge nosedive in the past years and with it these parents are and will be in the "blame game" no matter how their kids come out. I can see the lawsuits coming down the road against the school system...settled out of court and the parents haul in the bucks for attempting.

33 posted on 10/31/2011 7:30:42 AM PDT by caww
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To: kickonly88; wintertime

Last time I stuck a white glove in a grease pit, the grease pit didn’t get any cleaner...

I don’t reckon I’m going to send kids into battle unarmed either. That’s what the education years are for - arming them for battle.


34 posted on 10/31/2011 7:32:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: kickonly88
If I did manage to get a seat on the school board I would suggest that the EIB be broadcast in the cafeterias.
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It is not a conservative principle to use the threat of government force to hold other people's children in feeding pens and force them to listen to conservative propaganda, or to force your neighbor to pay for it.

35 posted on 10/31/2011 7:32:59 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: caww

How will moms get their “me time” if their kids are constantly with them?


36 posted on 10/31/2011 7:34:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
You bet! (sitting here laughing!)

Welcome!

37 posted on 10/31/2011 7:35:05 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: MrB
How will they get to the gym for toning?
38 posted on 10/31/2011 7:35:39 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: kickonly88
Well....Drowning is still possible for a 5 year old. I **strongly** recommend that you stay with him during his bath or shower time.

And...Yep!...I was right about the shoe laces.

39 posted on 10/31/2011 7:38:24 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime
Well all I can say is my grand-girls are happier and their grades are excellent thus far. Their whole being is much more settled...they love their free time as well...and are far more creative.

One grand daughter is very much a techie...like her dad...but it's not just about using the “gimmicks” it's creating and learning about them and how to develop. The entrepreneurial side runs strong in my family.

40 posted on 10/31/2011 7:40:17 AM PDT by caww
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To: wintertime

It took me along time to undo what public schooling did to me. This issue is ours to fight, not our childrens.


41 posted on 10/31/2011 7:42:09 AM PDT by Paytriot (Live long and prosper)
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To: MrB

Not as difficult as imagined might be....the kids still have activities they attend at the school as well as with other students who are home taught. Remarkably they have more opportunites and better activities then the school afforded them....which I was impressed with.

It’s not like the parents are with them 24/7 rather the parents have learned ‘they have more time’ to themselves because they have control of their time now far more then when they were in the school system.


42 posted on 10/31/2011 7:43:59 AM PDT by caww
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To: kickonly88
As for the rest, it’s a wheat and chaff thing. I can tell him what to retain and what to throw away. Will it be hard, yeah, probably.
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It will be harder than doing it right the first time.

It is actually **harder** to deprogram and afterschool , and it takes much **more** TIME than it does to homeschool.

It is **harder** to deprogram and/or afterschool than it is to send a child to a private school that is solid grounded in conservative and Judeo-Christian principles.

To properly deprogram and afterschool, you would need to thoroughly review every subject taught that day. It is likely that a 5 year old is incapable of doing that for you. All texts would need to be read. All school assembly programs attended and evaluated for content. All homework to be reviewed. You would need to do this **and** your child would be responsible for handing in their godless secular homework for the socialist school, as well!

Good luck on doing the above. Expect failure..

43 posted on 10/31/2011 7:47:06 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Paytriot

Have you looked in the doors of the church lately. There is not much of the under 40 crowd and they are the ones with kids in the schools. The point is many, many parents do not have the spiritual depth to sort this out. I know of a Sunday School class that only half agreed that what Bill Clinton did was worth impeachment or resignation. This was a Baptist church from 17 years ago. So where are we today? Sadly, the kids are used as cannon fodder by the socialists.


44 posted on 10/31/2011 7:47:14 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: wintertime

To me, it’s pretty simple:

If you send your child to a Catholic school, they will be taught the virtues of Catholicism.

If you send your child to a Protestant Christian school, they will be taught the virtues of Protestant Christianity.

If you send your child to a Government school, they will be taught the virtues of Government.

DO NOT expect Government schools to advocate (or even address) limited government!


45 posted on 10/31/2011 7:47:37 AM PDT by mbs6
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To: Paytriot
It took me along time to undo what public schooling did to me. This issue is ours to fight, not our childrens.
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Absolutely! There is not even one example of Christ sending out little children to do the hard, sometimes dangerous, and difficult job of missionary work. He sent out mature men.

Parents who use children as weapons in their own political and cultural battles are fools.

46 posted on 10/31/2011 7:50:07 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: mbs6
DO NOT expect Government schools to advocate (or even address) limited government!
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Socialist schools teach socialism!

Secular and godless socialist schools teach children to worship the golden calf of godless government.

47 posted on 10/31/2011 7:51:40 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime

I intend to homeschool for many reasons. Religious reasons are merely a facet of the whole picture. There’s wanting my kids to respect my authority. Not wanting them socialized by the losers and cretins in the school system. And of course the academics. My daughter is going to be miles smarter than most of her cohorts. It’s not healthy for her or them to be in the same classroom.

At my church - a nice, conservative Presbyterian church with good people with high standards - the teenagers are.... not acceptable to me. I was in choir two weeks ago and only one of the five teenage girls was wearing something appropriate for the front row; the others had to be hidden behind us. At the previous practice, the choir director had used the words “surreptitious” and “incognito” and two of these high school senior girls had admitted not knowing what either word meant. It was utterly horrifying.


48 posted on 10/31/2011 7:56:37 AM PDT by JenB
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To: mbs6; wintertime

You have to watch the Catholic schools too.


49 posted on 10/31/2011 7:57:13 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: wintertime

Sooo, how are things going to change if you totally retreat from them?
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It is not retreating, it is reloading for the long haul and fighting the battle on our terms. The other point is this; all we have been doing over the years is retreating. Prayer out of school, ok we will yell a little but accept it. Then on down the slippery slope; NO, not condoms in school, but then ok, my child will done soon. Now it is homo sex ed for 6 year olds and on and on. Why wouldn’t you retreat from that and use the weapons, no students and no money, to fight this on our own turf. And save your own kids in the process.


50 posted on 10/31/2011 7:57:45 AM PDT by taterjay
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