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Poll results show more support for marriage equality
Rutgers Daily Targum ^ | October 31, 2011 | Aleksi Tzatzev

Posted on 10/31/2011 6:24:58 AM PDT by trollop

A recent Eagleton Institute of Politics poll found that word choice matters when gay marriage figures into the question.

According to the poll, 52 percent of N.J. residents questioned are in favor of gay marriage, but the number jumps to 61 percent when the question is framed in terms of "marriage equality".

Thirty-nine percent oppose legalizing gay marriage, and only 27 percent are against marriage equality.

"Framing matters, and we know that," said David Redlawsk, poll director and a professor of political science at the University....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailytargum.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: equality; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; polling; polls
They had to do a study to figure out that the wording of a question affects the answer?
1 posted on 10/31/2011 6:25:00 AM PDT by trollop
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To: trollop

where’s the *barf* alert.

it’s really a little too early to think about demented fudge packers pretending to be married.


2 posted on 10/31/2011 6:27:36 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: trollop

“They had to do a study to figure out that the wording of a question affects the answer? “

Hey, it’s a lib arts group. Getting past the elementary math functions of adding/dividing completely sapped their abilities for the moment.

Heck, they’ll probably have to take an extra toke or two when they go to one of the “Occupy” movements,


3 posted on 10/31/2011 6:27:41 AM PDT by Da Coyote (Ngs)
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To: trollop

So in other words, the people being “polled” haven’t got a clue about what they want. The numbers are all over the place depending upon how you “frame” the question. “Polls” are a joke.


4 posted on 10/31/2011 6:31:27 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: trollop

All marriages ARE equal.

Of course, I’m talking about marriage as defined in law and society since the dawn of civilization.

I can call a giraffe a dog but that won’t make it bark.

The left is up their usual trick of declaring something ‘normal’ and demanding ‘equality’ shortly thereafter.


5 posted on 10/31/2011 6:33:57 AM PDT by relictele
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To: trollop
The polls are garbage. Just allow a vote - the TRUE poll - in every state to define marriage as a man and a woman, and you'll get the real answer.

But leftists will fight such true polls to their death.

6 posted on 10/31/2011 6:44:44 AM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: trollop

They’re trying to figure out the various iterations of poll questions to generate results that those who commission the polls want. In this case, the pro-homosexual marriage lobby.

In other words, academic justification for corruption.


7 posted on 10/31/2011 6:50:59 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: trollop

Americans better fight this abomination now, and fight hard. Marriage and the natural family are the building blocks of our society.


8 posted on 10/31/2011 6:53:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('If man is not governed by God, he will be ruled by tyrants.' -- William Penn)
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To: trollop

The fun parts fit
And they make a baby
For that to happen
Takes a man and a lady

Any other way
Dude, that’s just gay
Walk away, my friend
With a sore rear end

That’s not love
It’s really anger
Not only that
Your life is in danger

There’s a better way
But you gotta listen
God made you right
No more hissin’


9 posted on 10/31/2011 6:58:08 AM PDT by lurk
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To: trollop

There’s no such thing as gay marriage no matter how much liberals try to convince its like the real thing!


10 posted on 10/31/2011 7:06:35 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: relictele

We never heard of gay marriage before the turn of the century, for good reason. Its just another chapter in the Left’s relentless assault on the traditional family and bourgeois values.


11 posted on 10/31/2011 7:08:53 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: fwdude

“But leftists will fight such true polls to their death.”

I agree that these polls are flawed, and give different results than what actually happens in the voting booth. But as soon as the statists and homosexualists think they have the numbers they will be screaming for popular votes. If prop 8 is upheld by our black robed masters, look to see another amendmen repeal process started soon after.

Freegards


12 posted on 10/31/2011 7:09:45 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: relictele

“Of course, I’m talking about marriage as defined in law and society since the dawn of civilization.”

If the law is just what the majority of people think it is at any one time, then it is subject to change. A recent poll has 40% of folks thinking that marriage comes from man and thus the state.

Freegards


13 posted on 10/31/2011 7:11:24 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: trollop
According to the poll, 52 percent of N.J. residents questioned are in favor of gay marriage, but the number jumps to 61 percent when the question is framed in terms of "marriage equality".

There already IS 'marriage equality'.

Gay people have the same right to marry a person of the opposite sex, just like everyone else does.

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It's not about equal rights, it's about SPECIAL rights.

14 posted on 10/31/2011 7:12:41 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Laws of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: EternalVigilance

Americans are fighting back as best as can be done under the law.

Since 1999, we have seen a majority of states pass state constitutional amendments defining marriage in their states as a man and a woman. 31 states have such amendments. Next year, North Carolina and Minnesota are set to vote on the definition of marriage.

These amendments stop state judges from imposing homosexual marriage, but liberal federal judges may well yet impose homosexual marriage on all 50 states.

The liberals are determined to get a Brown vs. Board of Education type of Supreme Court ruling on homosexual marriage someday. They may get it. One federal court ruling could sweep away all of the state laws on the subject of marriage.

The liberals show pure hypocrisy on this issue.

They say that states should define marriage, when the issue of a federal marriage amendment was discussed.

Yet when states are defining marriage in the traditional marriage, they don’t like that either, so they are starting to take these marriage lawsuits to federal court to override whatever a state decides.


15 posted on 10/31/2011 7:47:19 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: trollop

Homosexuals already have equality when it comes to marriage. They have the exact same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else.


16 posted on 10/31/2011 7:48:03 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: trollop

Of course wording matters— so does having armed black Muslims standing outside the polling place. As to “marriage:”
I dont give a rats behind what the Reprobates call what they do —it is NOT “marriage” it is not equal to “Marriage” it is fraud— and political deception. It is everything it is called in the “sacred writings” and the modern State has NOT produced ANY credible scientific evidence to support the claims that same sex unions equate to “marriage” .If you pour dirt into a glass of pure drinking water- you can call it whatever you want it will remain dirty water. You can beguile silly women and slaves into saying same sex unions equal “marriage” but it remains as it is deception.


17 posted on 10/31/2011 8:17:08 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Ransomed
As I mentioned in an earlier post to you, I believe the "support" for same-sex "marriage" has reached the saturation point, as is likely waning; especially considering the blatant Gestapo tactics used by them in full view now.

No, even in California, a re-vote on the constitutional amendment to define marriage will fail for the sodomites.

18 posted on 10/31/2011 8:19:35 AM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The cure? Elect representatives who will speedily impeach judges who exceed their constitutionally-legitimate mandate.


19 posted on 10/31/2011 8:22:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('If man is not governed by God, he will be ruled by tyrants.' -- William Penn)
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To: fwdude

I hope you right. But my point is that the horrors of a popular vote on “civil rights” will be quickly embraced by the left if the homosexualists think they have a chance of winning.

Cali passed prop. 8 by 52% in 2008. If there is a saturation point, I think it must come very close before it kicks in, at least for some areas of the country. The gaystopo tactics is a good point, but I think young folks view it as a “civil rights” issue, and don’t care what tactics get used. But the younger folks are much less likely to vote at all, and I could definately see older folks being disgusted with the tactics of the homosexualists, maybe enough to attract more to the voting booth. Minnesota will be interesting.

Freegards


20 posted on 10/31/2011 8:39:13 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: trollop

The rimmers, felchers and child molestors with the help of homowood and media are selling themselves well in NJ and CA.


21 posted on 10/31/2011 8:40:05 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: trollop; All

notice how they have goebled the argument.

it is no longer homosexual marriage it is now “equality” marriage. it founded on the assumption that recreational sex by homosexuals has the same result as normal sexual congress.

Somehow by passing a law, homosexuals will have sex with each other and become pregnant.

This is a lackoff “winning with words” propaganda BS.


22 posted on 10/31/2011 8:45:16 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Ransomed
Cali passed prop. 8 by 52% in 2008.

Consider the gargantuan advantages the sodomite lobby had. They had a supreme court decision in effect, making counterfeit "marriage" the "law of the land," already. Possession is a powerful asset to vote against. They had a willing puppet of an Attorney General in Brown, who titled the Proposition with a derogatory reference against Prop 8. Any push to attempt to overturn true marriage in the CA Constitution will be much harder for the sodomite lobby to accomplish, in my opinion.

23 posted on 10/31/2011 8:49:02 AM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

States rights are the real issue.

I see a future where the States finally stand up & tell the Feds to pound sand.

The second solution would be the center of the country west of the Mississippi join together as the Western States of America= Arizona-New Mexico-Texas-Oklahoma-Missouri-Kansas-Nebraska-S Dakota- N Dakota-Montana-Wyoming-Idaho-Colorado-Utah-Nevada.


24 posted on 10/31/2011 8:56:23 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Dilbert San Diego

notice how this push poll has changed homosexual marriage to “eqality”.

(see how global warming changed into climate change)


25 posted on 10/31/2011 9:56:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: fwdude

Another point is that the general trend as far as abortion goes seems to be going pro-life in the last decade or so. Something similar could be happening with “gay marriage”, although I haven’t seen any evidence of this.

If NC doesn’t pass in the 60s in May then I think that would be a good indicator. If it is in the 50’s I would have to say that it seems to be still trending for the homosexualists. All speculation on my part, of course.

Freegards


26 posted on 10/31/2011 9:59:18 AM PDT by Ransomed
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27 posted on 10/31/2011 10:13:14 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Ransomed
A recent poll has 40% of folks thinking that marriage comes from man and thus the state.

Letting the state get involved in marriage is what's at the root of the whole kerfluffle to begin with.

28 posted on 10/31/2011 11:32:09 AM PDT by trollop
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To: Ransomed
If NC doesn’t pass in the 60s in May then I think that would be a good indicator. If it is in the 50’s I would have to say that it seems to be still trending for the homosexualists. All speculation on my part, of course.

Agreed. But my speculation is that the vote will be at least in the 60's or higher for the amendment. If it is not, it will be due to rampant election and voter fraud. The Despotcrat governor did just veto the legislature's voter I.D. bill in that state, and it was exactly for occasions just as this.

29 posted on 10/31/2011 11:33:52 AM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: fwdude

I would be shocked if NC only passed it in the 50-60% range. The iffy range would be like 61-65%. If you look at the states around NC and exlude Va’s 57% in 2006 as an abberation, they all passed their pro-marriage amendments in the mid 70s and low 80s, with most of them coming in 2004 or 2006. SC was 78% in 2006, which is a very good sign in my opinion.

I reckon it comes down to how much the homosexualist agenda has advanced in 4 or 5 years. 60-65% would have been shocking ten years ago, but if it only passed in the 50-60% range then the gay agenda really is moving fast, or faster than even a pessimist like me thinks it is.

FReegards


30 posted on 10/31/2011 11:56:06 AM PDT by Ransomed
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And if the question were asked truthfully, explaining that homosexuals are not born that way, their only claim to being a "community" is the nasty and perverted way they obtain sexual gratification, and their real reasons for wanting same sex marriage - support would drop way, way down! Oh, and their higher propensity to molest children, that would be the final blow to any measurable support.

31 posted on 10/31/2011 11:58:22 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Ransomed

Again, don’t underestimate the rampant extent of election fraud being perpetrated by the homosexual activists aided by the Democratic machine. I think that most high-profile elections with heavy polarization (e.g., Wisconsin) on the issues are skewed 3 to 5 percentage points because of Democrat fraud.


32 posted on 10/31/2011 12:03:19 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: trollop

Well, I would say letting the state condition people to think that marriage comes from them was a huge mistake.

I don’t know what the solution is, state involvement wasn’t that bad for a long, long time. But once it was involved the risk was always there, that the state would usurp the role of faith in the institution.

I think what is probably going to eventually happen is some faiths are just going to ignore “state marriage” and take whatever punishment comes down for rejecting the state’s take on it.

Freegards


33 posted on 10/31/2011 12:05:27 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: fwdude

The fraud aspect is a good point. But if that is the case, and I think it is plausible, it is already built into the past amendment vote results. Do you think it’s a good thing or bad thing that they are holding the vote during the primary election?

Freegards


34 posted on 10/31/2011 12:20:14 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed
Do you think it’s a good thing or bad thing that they are holding the vote during the primary election?

I remain neutral over whether it is "good" or "bad" to have this election during the primary. The amendment sponsors were pushed into it because of the predictable Democratic accusations of trying to inject a "wedge issue" into the general election. But I think it will be a boon to the success of the amendment. Republicans are mostly in favor of conserving real marriage, so the primary electorate will be ready made for overwhelming passage.

35 posted on 10/31/2011 12:31:05 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: fwdude

I pretty much agree with that, it makes sense. I was just thinking if folks come out to oppose pres. O , they might also look at the amendment and say “yeah, I don’t dig that gay stuff either.”

Freegards


36 posted on 10/31/2011 12:34:39 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: trollop

you know the poll and article is biased when they call it marriage equality.

Everyone can marry but only to the opposite sex, however if they want marriage extra special rights then it should be given to all kinds of marriage i.e. family, more than one husband / wife 10 year olds etc.

Now that would be marriage equality but of course the left play their name game like dream act = amnesty, jobs bill, -= pay off to special interests and spending bill, gay = homosexual.

Well this conservative and I hope all conservatives will not play their name game and call a spade a spade.


37 posted on 10/31/2011 1:28:58 PM PDT by manc ( Marriage=1man+1 woman http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=hxlcVAEj0sM&vq=large)
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