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A permanent occupation? (Occupy Albany protesters planning to build on site)
Times Union ^ | October 31, 2011 | Jimmy Velkind

Posted on 10/31/2011 11:48:22 AM PDT by NYer


Soojee Eckhardt-Rigberg of Albany plays with her dog Obi near her tent (not shown) on snow remaining from the previous night's surprise snowstorm, at the Occupy Albany encampment in Academy Park on Sunday Oct. 30, 2011 in Albany, NY. She has been camped there since last Friday, the first day of the protest. (Philip Kamrass / Times Union )

ALBANY -- They have tents and propane space heaters, but demonstrators at Occupy Albany are considering more permanent shelter: either a walled canvas tent or a wooden yurt, complete with a stove.

"I think yesterday showed us it's going to get quite cold, and these tents are not going to survive in January and February," Michael Fiske, a 29-year-old Albany Law School student, said, gesturing to the encampment that has dotted Academy Park since Oct. 21.

He said he had researched tents as large as 16 feet by 20 feet, or yurts 16 feet in diameter. A yurt is a circular shelter first used by central Asian nomads that's usually arranged around a stove, traditionally made of bent wooden supports and covered with animal skins or fabric.

This would allow the encampment to have its nightly general assembly -- at which decisions are made by consensus of those present -- "in warmth and comfort," and would allow people to stay overnight near a heating source.

It also may test the patience of Albany city officials who have let protesters stay in the park provided their demonstration remains peaceful -- as it has. There is a city ordinance placing an 11 p.m. curfew on the park, but citing past instances of non-enforcement and an unwillingness of Albany County District Attorney P. David Soares to push trespassing charges against demonstrators, police have let the encampment be.

Other cities have been less tolerant. In New York City, officials have refused to let protesters pitch tents at Occupy Wall Street, which was the genesis of Occupy Albany and other movements, and confiscated electrical generators last week.

A more substantial tent or yurt might require some kind of building approval. A stove may constitute a safety hazard. Albany police spokesman James Miller said Sunday night he was unaware what regulations might apply. And he added: "We're not aware of any kind of request on their part to us on building any type of structure."

With good reason: It's better to ask forgiveness than permission, the protesters figure, and the city maintains plausible deniability if protesters never make a formal request. It's a very different calculation to tear down a structure, possibly by force, than to prevent it from being erected.

"We welcome dialogue, but we're not asking for permission," said Mark Mishler, an attorney aligned with the movement.

He and others confirmed the protesters would meet with Albany police and other city officials Tuesday, at the city's request. It's unclear what will be discussed. Fiske's stove proposal was tabled at Sunday evening's general assembly to be further developed by a new subcommittee.

Fiske estimated the cost at around $1,800, which would require group authorization. Currently, Occupy Albany is keeping its donations in cash at a secure location, but on Tuesday should open a bank account supervised by the Social Justice Center, according to Matthew Jager, 34, a member of the finance working group. He estimated they've raised between $2,000 to $3,000.

The focus on cold-weather logistics was obvious Sunday, after Occupy Albany dealt with 3 inches of snow that fell starting late Saturday evening. City officials placed electronic billboards warning people about to enter the park that winter weather advisories had been issued, according to Miller, and officers cautioned against setting up tents under tree limbs that could fall under the weight of the snow.

People took turns taking a broom and wiping the wet snow off the tops of the tents, and waking up those sleeping to make sure they hadn't passed out from hypothermia. Some estimated about 40 people stayed the night, up from about 25 the week before.

"All you have to do is bundle up and stay warm," said 23-year-old Schenectady resident Zach Ryan, who slept in a donated tent with his mom, Dyette Putnam.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: albany; occupy

A snowman erected from the previous night's surprise snowfall, stands along Washington Avenue at the entrance to the Occupy Albany encampment in Academy Park on Sunday Oct. 30, 2011 in Albany, NY. (Philip Kamrass / Times Union )

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Snow from a surprise snowstorm from Saturday night partially covers the ground near tents at the Occupy Albany encampment in Academy Park on Sunday Oct. 30, 2011 in Albany, NY. (Philip Kamrass / Times Union )

1 posted on 10/31/2011 11:48:29 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Liz; Sun; skully; The Mayor

"A yurt is a circular shelter first used by central Asian nomads that's usually arranged around a stove, traditionally made of bent wooden supports and covered with animal skins or fabric. There is a city ordinance placing an 11 p.m. curfew on the park, but citing past instances of non-enforcement and an unwillingness of Albany County District Attorney P. David Soares to push trespassing charges against demonstrators, police have let the encampment be. In New York City, officials have refused to let protesters pitch tents at Occupy Wall Street, which was the genesis of Occupy Albany and other movements, and confiscated electrical generators last week. Currently, Occupy Albany is keeping its donations in cash at a secure location, but on Tuesday should open a bank account supervised by the Social Justice Center, according to Matthew Jager, 34, a member of the finance working group. City officials placed electronic billboards warning people about to enter the park that winter weather advisories had been issued, according to Miller, and officers cautioned against setting up tents under tree limbs that could fall under the weight of the snow."


Welcome to tent city! Your tax dollars at work.

2 posted on 10/31/2011 11:50:47 AM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer
A yurt is a circular shelter first used by central Asian nomads that's usually arranged around a stove, traditionally made of bent wooden supports and covered with animal skins or fabric.

This sounds perfect for these yay-hoos, except for the part about animal skin.

3 posted on 10/31/2011 11:51:15 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: NYer
Maybe they could build housing for the homeless?
Nm, what was I thinking, look at the snowthing they built.
4 posted on 10/31/2011 11:51:43 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: NYer

And just where do they put their number 1 and number 2??


5 posted on 10/31/2011 11:52:41 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: NYer

I hope they’re smart enough to not kill themselves with CO from space heaters in an enclosed space... but there’s always the chance that they aren’t.


6 posted on 10/31/2011 11:53:10 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: NYer

I’m anticipating that, given their slovenly approach to such matters as sanitation and food safety, a little common-snese thing like fire safety will will probably escape them.

This means that we’ll soon be treated to a never-ending flow of sob stories and and weepy memorials to those who are burned alive in tent and flimsy, flammablwe structure fires.


7 posted on 10/31/2011 11:54:36 AM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: NYer
We should stop calling this protest "Occupy Atlanta".

Obama has been using it to drum up sympathy for his cause, and it's time to make him own it.

Start calling it:

Obamaville

Spread the meme....


8 posted on 10/31/2011 11:55:32 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: NYer
"They got a word for that, Jules. It's called a bum."


9 posted on 10/31/2011 11:56:47 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: Noumenon; justlurking
I’m anticipating that, given their slovenly approach to such matters as sanitation and food safety, a little common-snese thing like fire safety will will probably escape them.

I'm betting you're right. They've already won the sympathy of the media.


Snow from a surprise snowstorm from Saturday night partially covers the ground near tents at the Occupy Albany encampment in Academy Park on Sunday Oct. 30, 2011 in Albany, NY. (Philip Kamrass / Times Union )

Justlurking - think we can photoshop Obamaville on this photo?

10 posted on 10/31/2011 12:02:59 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

If the city allows this for these “pro-pesters” then how in the world could they stop homeless people from gathering up scrap wood, et all, and building shelters for themselves? They couldn’t.


11 posted on 10/31/2011 12:03:24 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: NYer
"... a 29-year-old Albany Law School student..."

Planning on attending any classes there, Spunky?
12 posted on 10/31/2011 12:09:30 PM PDT by frankenMonkey (10 years ago we had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash. Now it's no Jobs, no Hope and no Cash.)
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To: justlurking

How’s this.

Albany establishes a city within their city called obamaville. Give the tents addresses. Then issue property tax bills. And come in with all the rules and regulations they use on real homeowners. If they don’t pay, bulldoze obamaville.

just thinking.


13 posted on 10/31/2011 12:14:18 PM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: Texas resident

I like it!


14 posted on 10/31/2011 12:16:04 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Wonder how long I could stay camped out in a city park? Ok, Ok. I’ll put up a sign protesting zero and the 47%...

But it sounds like I can just become a squatter.


15 posted on 10/31/2011 12:22:29 PM PDT by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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"All you have to do is bundle up and stay warm," said 23-year-old Schenectady resident Zach Ryan Oedipus, who slept in a donated tent with his mom, Dyette Putnam.
16 posted on 10/31/2011 12:25:59 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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Support Free Republic

17 posted on 10/31/2011 12:26:46 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: NoGrayZone

Wherever the spirit moves them to leave the deposit.


18 posted on 10/31/2011 12:31:22 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Adder

That depends on how you vote...


19 posted on 10/31/2011 12:37:53 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: HIDEK6; NYer

***A yurt is a circular shelter***

Tell’em to go sit in the corner!


20 posted on 10/31/2011 12:53:55 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: NYer
Go ahead, make my day!


21 posted on 10/31/2011 12:59:31 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: NYer

I notice the media has been pointing out that these idiots are 99% white. /tard


22 posted on 10/31/2011 1:23:57 PM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: Adder

Not only can you squat on public property, but apparently you can build. I wonder what the reaction would be if someone just started building a new XXX movie store in front of city hall?


23 posted on 10/31/2011 1:25:48 PM PDT by lwd
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To: NYer
It also may test the patience of Albany city officials who have let protesters stay in the park provided their demonstration remains peaceful -- as it has. There is a city ordinance placing an 11 p.m. curfew on the park, but citing past instances of non-enforcement and an unwillingness of Albany County District Attorney P. David Soares to push trespassing charges against demonstrators, police have let the encampment be.

I wonder of they would do the same for the Tea Party.

24 posted on 10/31/2011 1:31:24 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Thank God the mayor of Atlanta shagged all OWS squatters out of Woodruff Park last week. I think we are Occupy free at the moment.


25 posted on 10/31/2011 1:36:46 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: justlurking

Bump! ;-)


26 posted on 10/31/2011 3:32:16 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: NYer

David Soares is there because of George Soros’s help.


27 posted on 10/31/2011 6:32:37 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: MaxMax; All

“Maybe they could build housing for the homeless?”

My husband was telling me that the Occupy people didn’t like the homeless eating their food, so they served beans, so the homeless would go back to the soup kitchens. (I think it was NYC.) Guess the Occupy protesters don’t care about the poor as much as they claim.


28 posted on 10/31/2011 6:36:43 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

It’s the Me generation.


29 posted on 10/31/2011 8:19:41 PM PDT by MaxMax
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