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The Curious Timing of the Herman Cain Accusation (Could a GOP campaign be the source)
American Thinker ^ | 11/01/2011 | J. Robert Smith

Posted on 11/01/2011 6:43:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

For Herman Cain, forget the treats; just bring on the tricks.

Republican presidential contender Herman Cain is the subject of a bombshell accusation on Halloween day that he sexually harassed two women during his tenure at the National Restaurant Association. Cain stoutly denies the charges.

The curious thing about the accusations against Cain are their timing. Why now? Why did Politico break the news now, as opposed to weeks before or later, if Cain secured the GOP presidential nomination? Did Politico only obtain the story now, or had it been sitting on the report for a while? Why now?

Early opinion among conservative leaders is that the fossil media is up to its old tricks in reporting allegations of sexual harassment against Cain. Politico is serving as the cat's paw for its liberal allies and the Democrat Party, goes the thinking. This could be. The fossil media - Politico included - may have determined that Cain poses a potent threat to Barack Obama's presidency and that he had to be politically offed now before he gained any more momentum. A Cain presidency could shake liberaldom, the race industry, and the Democratic Party to its foundations.

But there's another consideration to make in the Cain attack. Who benefits immediately from bursting Cain's fast-rising presidential balloon? Why, Cain's Republican rivals. Sherlock Holmes wasn't about sleuthing for the obvious suspects, nor should those following the Cain story as it unfolds. It may be worth investigating Cain's GOP rivals, who have every reason to facilitate

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: accusation; gop; hermancain; martin4romney; politico4obama; politico4romney; pollutico; sexualharrassment
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1 posted on 11/01/2011 6:43:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think it’s Perry’s people, looking for payback for Cain’s attempt to discreetly but definitely toss a bit of gasoline onto the “hunting lodge” flap.


2 posted on 11/01/2011 6:45:27 AM PDT by trollop
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To: SeekAndFind

Guarenteed. My guess would be Piece-Of-Mitt Romney.


3 posted on 11/01/2011 6:45:41 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I guess some Occupiers are more 99% than other Occupiers.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sherlock Holmes would have considered the dog barking (or not).

Whenever Team Romney had rumors they wanted to start about other candidates,
Jonathan Martin has been their go-to guy to get those rumors in writing in front of a national audience.

“And The Most Irresponsible Journalist Award Goes to The Politico’s Jonathan Martin!
So tell me, how do you write a “news” story about an organization paying for a speaker when you don’t even know if the organization is paying for the speaker?
Ask “journalist” Jonathan Martin. He knows all about it.
You see, Jonny wrote a piss poor story the other day about how the Iowa Family Policy Center will be paying a large speaker fee if Sarah Palin comes to Iowa to keynote the IFPC’s fall funderaiser.
The only problem is that Jonny has no sources confirming that any exorbitant fee is being charged or paid.
Jonny also got some inside info from David Kochel, who was a top aide to former (and future) presidential candidate, Mitt Romney.
Hey Dave, didn’t I just read a story about how Mitt Romney tried to buy off the Iowa Christian Alliance?
I heard you helped facilitate that little scheme. And somehow you are shocked at the thought of a well-known political figure (who very likely isn’t running for president) getting paid a speaker’s fee for (gasp) a public speaking appearance? ..
and then we’ve got Tim Albrecht quoted. He was the Iowa spokesman for Romney’s 2008 caucus campaign.”
And it always seemed like, whenever the Romney people had rumors they wanted to start about other candidates,
Jonny was their go-to guy to get those rumors in writing in front of a national audience.


"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the “Diva” leak was Nicolle Wallace’s husband."


Who benefits most from Sanford meltdown? Californian (that's right) Mitt Romney


"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"



4 posted on 11/01/2011 6:46:12 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind
I am convinced this came from a GOP campaign. There is no reason for the left to do this now. They would save it for later.

Romney would be my top suspect. He has motive, means, and opportunity. Perry and even Bachmann would also be brought in for questioning.

5 posted on 11/01/2011 6:46:25 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think it came from another GOP campaign. Time line doesn’t work. Politico said they asked Cain TEN DAYS ago for a comment. That means they had to spend a few weeks runnign down the story, finding the people. So, they first got tipped to the story about Oct 1, if not earlier. Cain hadn’t really taken off at the time...his surge started later..


6 posted on 11/01/2011 6:48:02 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: SeekAndFind

It does not matter. These types of things need to be vetted and discussed about a candidate.

The bigger problem was Cain’s bumbling all day with “make up as I go” responses to the issue and questions. That bothers me a whole lot more about him and has forever. He just does not have any consistency and thoughtfulness.


7 posted on 11/01/2011 6:48:53 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: Huck

I am convinced this came from a GOP campaign. There is no reason for the left to do this now. They would save it for later.
Romney would be my top suspect. He has motive, means, and opportunity. Perry and even Bachmann would also be brought in for questioning.
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I disagree. Romney needs Cain to stick around through the early primaries to counter Perry and Newt. This is a little early. My bet would be on Perry, since Cain is taking conservative support from him.


8 posted on 11/01/2011 6:49:21 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: SeekAndFind

Yep, Mittens, Perry AND ROVE(all First Class BACKSTABBERS)!


9 posted on 11/01/2011 6:49:43 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not the least bit curious, expected is more like it.


10 posted on 11/01/2011 6:51:55 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: SeekAndFind

I think it is past time someone start questioning Rove about what his ties are to specific campaigns.

He claims to be an “objective” commentator. Fine, then let him clear up the questions about his contacts with other GOP Candidates campaigns

The other thing credible journalists might want to press Rove to clear up just what his role was in the robo-call smear campaign against John McCain in South Carolina prior to the 2000 GOP primary.

Rove needs to put these questions to bed by releasing any documentation he has clearing up the allegations that he staged that the smear job against McCain.

(Note to the Rovebots, how do you like being on the receiving end of your own media tactics for a change?)


11 posted on 11/01/2011 6:52:00 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: SeekAndFind
Just ask who has the most to gain from this.

Remember we are much closer to the primaries so would Obama gain at this point vs. firing this off in the general..

12 posted on 11/01/2011 6:52:49 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: indianrightwinger

Actually his not handling it like a politician is what I like about him. It isn’t as easy as it seems even for a pro like Bush and the drunk driving charge.

How many times you going to let these charges work?

Pray for America


13 posted on 11/01/2011 6:52:56 AM PDT by bray (Hope and Change is Dead and Gone)
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To: ken5050

If it were the ‘rats, they would either wait until Oct 2012,

or they’d trying to derail him before he gets that far.

The latter is probably the case. They truly hate and fear this man.

John 15:18-19


14 posted on 11/01/2011 6:53:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: trollop
So botchild, how about you go back and address the dozens of posts to you refuting your lying thread you posted from the Washington Post?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2800789/posts

15 posted on 11/01/2011 6:54:03 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: SeekAndFind
Romney. Romney would sell out his own grandmother, wife or children.
Romney is John Edwards with grayer hair.

But then again; rather have it come out now then next fall right before the election..

It would have come out at some point; better now than later if Cain gets the nomination.

16 posted on 11/01/2011 6:54:30 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: ejonesie22; Huck

They (the left) don’t even want to have to face this guy,
so it’s possible they would try to take him out early.


17 posted on 11/01/2011 6:54:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: indianrightwinger

Facts need to be discussed and vetted. Lying smear jobs based on rumor and innundo are not vetting.

The fact that Politico and Rove cannot back up any of their lying smears here demonstrate this is a gutter slime whisper campaign, not vetting.

Time for the accusers to either put up or shut up. They have made an accusation, Cain has refuted it. So now their either need to document their accusation or recant it.


18 posted on 11/01/2011 6:56:51 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t have any doubt it was the slithering GOP.

They want Herman out asap.

They want Obama re-elected.

The GOP is the enemey of conservatives and of freedom.


19 posted on 11/01/2011 6:57:38 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: indianrightwinger

Exactly correct, all part of the vetting process. One of the appealing things about experienced candidates that the media hate like Sarah or Newt is that they are completely vetted, nothing left in the closet. Candidates new to the national scene are much more risky since just about everyone has stuff in the closet that they would like to keep in the closet.


20 posted on 11/01/2011 6:57:42 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: ken5050
I don’t think it came from another GOP campaign. Time line doesn’t work. Politico said they asked Cain TEN DAYS ago for a comment. That means they had to spend a few weeks runnign down the story, finding the people. So, they first got tipped to the story about Oct 1, if not earlier.

You argue against yourself. If Politico got the story by their own sleuthing, then yes, your timeline might hold. But if it was a tip from the GOP, then it could have come to them as early as 10 days ago. A tip is a tip, is a tip, is...

21 posted on 11/01/2011 6:58:15 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: SeekAndFind
It was the Perry camp, they are in a desperate situation, bailing water from a sinking ship with spoons.
22 posted on 11/01/2011 6:58:24 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Top Ten Suspects:

Karl Rove
Karl Rove
Weekly World News
Karl Rove
Karl Rove
Karl Rove
The Huffington Post
Karl Rove
Wikileaks
Karl Rove


23 posted on 11/01/2011 6:59:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Tulane
It's an argument with merit. Like I said, I'd interogate both of em. I would suspect Romney because he has the resources, connections, and a history of this sort of thing.

The way the race looks today, one could argue he needs Perry in the race to counter Cain, not the other way around. I personally don't think Perry is coming back. I think he's done.

Even if Cain faltered, I think the base, faced with a choice between Perry and Newt, at this point would pick Newt. And I am sure Romney has a nice fat file on Newt. That will be easy pickins.

But you could be right. Either way, I believe this came from a Cain rival, not from the left. I wonder if we'll ever find out.

24 posted on 11/01/2011 7:02:38 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: Tulane

Romney needs Perry around, rather. The second choice of polled Perry supporters has been shown to be Romney. His Palin preventative burned out too quick and led to Romney having a real challenger: Cain.


25 posted on 11/01/2011 7:03:11 AM PDT by Ingtar
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To: Lazamataz

Get a grip - this is politico. The paper was created to serve obama. Romney needs Cain as a viable running mate and it would be too high risk for GOP to do this. Has anyone ruled out the Cain campaign? Bachmann?


26 posted on 11/01/2011 7:03:16 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know why this keeps being talked about in such breathless tones, e.g. as a “bombshell.”

Anyone’s whose been in business for several decades has seen these types of complaints, and worse, made in the workplace and they understand their dynamics. Which, without much more, are hardly a “bombshell.”

They also know, especially 20 or so years ago, HR departments, like insurance companies, regularly just paid people a small sum (or a large sum if they were loudmouths) to shut up and get the hell out of their company/department.


27 posted on 11/01/2011 7:03:42 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s possible that a Republican is the source. But with all the scandals hitting Obama lately, I wouldn’t be surprised if the press didn’t do this themselves so they don’t have to report the bad stuff on their guy.


28 posted on 11/01/2011 7:07:31 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Huck
I personally don't think Perry is coming back. I think he's done.

Probably so, especially after the WTF-ness of that speech the other day.

I still consider his campaign the prime suspect.

29 posted on 11/01/2011 7:07:37 AM PDT by trollop
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To: Huck

The way the race looks today, one could argue he needs Perry in the race to counter Cain, not the other way around.
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That is certainly true to an extent. Though, Perry does have the money and infrastructure that Cain does not. Either way, Romney needs them both for the early rounds. If Romney can take Iowa, and NH in a landslide, he strengthens his hand greatly.

For the record, I am a Cain supporter (i like his business background). That stated, I will vote for ANY (including Mitt and Newt) republican in the general.


30 posted on 11/01/2011 7:07:52 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: indianrightwinger
It does not matter. These types of things need to be vetted and discussed about a candidate.

I agree.

While Politico presented the story as a typical hit job (Headline: Cain accused of sexual harrassment; body of article: but it was investigated and there was no there there), and that's not fair journalism, if the complaints were made, they were made. And that needs to come out now and be addressed.

Personally, I think this story reminds people of so much that is wrong with Liberal policies and the way they distorted the workplace and the legal system.

31 posted on 11/01/2011 7:08:06 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: fightinJAG

Since this is a Republican candidate we are talking about, we will probably never know, but I would bet the two who initiated the “complain” probably have a history of having done the same thing several other times.


32 posted on 11/01/2011 7:08:39 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: Perdogg

It could be dropping dime on another Repub and still serve Obama. It’s not impossible or mutually exclusive.


33 posted on 11/01/2011 7:12:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I guess some Occupiers are more 99% than other Occupiers.)
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To: Tulane
That's a fair point. Romney would benefit from having all the right-wingers still around. With his numbers stuck, he can use the few points here and there from all the single-digit folks.

PS--I'm with you on the general. It's unpleasant, but that's politics for you. It's not as if holding your nose is anything new. And though we grow weary of it, it will still be a very clear and obvious choice.

34 posted on 11/01/2011 7:12:36 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: bray
How many times you going to let these charges work?

These types of charges are designed to disappoint and discourage the conservative base.

We know very well that the Rats could care less about one of their candidates actually engaging in sex CRIMES, much less this.

So, unless someone still wants to talk about the actual incident and Cain's response, etc., in my view, the best thing we can do is simply stop talking about the story. Period.

And we sure as Hell's Bells need to stop calling it a "bombshell" and the like. It's not a bombshell that a man in leadership in business for several years had a complaint filed against him because he "offended" someone. It happens. All the time, unfortunately. So evaluate it as the cost of doing business in a Liberally-distorted workplace. If there's no there there, shut up about it and move on.

That's my take and I'm sticking to it.

35 posted on 11/01/2011 7:13:48 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Or maybe it was put out to be dealt with now rather than later.


36 posted on 11/01/2011 7:16:12 AM PDT by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why does it have to come from a GOP campaign? Why not a past DC hack, like Rove?


37 posted on 11/01/2011 7:16:16 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: MNJohnnie
Facts need to be discussed and vetted. Lying smear jobs based on rumor and innundo are not vetting.

But a story has to be evaluated before it can be placed in the "fact" or "smear job" category.

In this case, the complaints did happen. That is a fact and it needs to be vetted.

That is a separate issue from HOW that fact was presented to the public by Politico.

Once the facts of the incident have been evaluated, then that should be that.

38 posted on 11/01/2011 7:17:09 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: SeekAndFind

KCarl Rove’s fingerprints are all over this. He will stab any Conservative in the back, no matter the damage it does.


39 posted on 11/01/2011 7:18:15 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: SeekAndFind
Could a GOP campaign be the source

It would not surprise me. Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich, and Santorum have the most to benefit from a Cain fall, though Romney can't be ruled out either.

40 posted on 11/01/2011 7:19:07 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SeekAndFind
Why now?

The democrats know that Cain, should he gain momentum and secure the Republican nomination would just demolish the democrat base. The heart of the Obama base is Blacks. the heart of the democrat base is women and minorities.

Their articles of faith are that big government is needed to protect women and minorities from the evil white men and their greedy corporations.

They also think that the wing-nuts of the right will instantly turn on each other instead of their common enemy.
Just have a troll throw them a fake story and watch them go after each other.

41 posted on 11/01/2011 7:22:22 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Democrats have no superego.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Rove has my vote


42 posted on 11/01/2011 7:25:03 AM PDT by rocketmag
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To: SeekAndFind

I honestly believe Karl Rove was probably behind this.

On behalf of his candidate.


43 posted on 11/01/2011 7:25:56 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sick of people acting as though the earth shook when this story came out.

It’s articles such as these that are playing exactly into the hands Politico dealt them.

Why was this story treated by our side as a “bombshell”? Do we not know enough to expect this kind of treatment from media such as Politico? And do we not know enough to expect that every candidate is going to have something brought to light that is, at first blush, unfavorable?

Is there some reason we, as a “base,” don’t just calmly say: “Okay, whatever, Politico. We’ll look into and get back to you.”

IOW, we’ll review the FACTS, but we’re not going to let you, LSM, throw us into some kind of globalthermonuclear uproar and chaos because, gasp, you published something unfavorable about one of candidates in an unfavorable way.

Our side constantly writing about how supposedly horrible this has been for Cain just creates the impression that it’s been horrible for Cain. When just maybe that is not the case.

And now this: sowing discord or worse among those supporting various candidates. Is this helpful or stupid?


44 posted on 11/01/2011 7:26:01 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Lazamataz

My money’s on Mitt.


45 posted on 11/01/2011 7:27:15 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MNJohnnie

It is well documented. There was settlement.

The issue is NOT about whether harrassment occurred or its nature. The issue is why Cain would not know this ahead of time, disclose it ahead of time, or worst case, have a crisp and consistent response when the issue came up.

And, adding insult to injury, he kept changing his tune all day long and was not parroting the same things his campaign folks were parrating.


46 posted on 11/01/2011 7:27:16 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

I’ll take you seriously when you start posting reasoned thoughtful post about why we should support your candidate rather then your usual collection of emotion based personal attacks at the other candidates in the race.


47 posted on 11/01/2011 7:30:29 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Oh, the stories I could tell about these types of complaints and what I’ve seen in the workplace . . .

I wish the response had been to the simple fact that these complaints were, in fact, made and, when put in perspective, they don’t say anything negative about Cain’s character or conduct. End of discussion.

Maybe call out Politico once or twice for HOW they reported the facts. Then drop it.

I see us actually repeating en masse the hyperreaction of millions of HR departments across the land whenever the words “sexual harrassment” are used. It’s like cancer: people begin screaming “Get it out! Slash and burn! Whatever it takes!” — when there are some cases where “watchful waiting” is appropriate.

But I literally have seen “sexual harrassment” complaints that had to do with a woman being offended that she was not included in a golf outing (even though she didn’t play golf) and similar. Nothing about sex at all. Just offended + female gender = “sexual” harrassment.

We should have (and, I guess, still could) used the opportunity, once the facts were evaluated and Cain was politically exonerated (by his base), to discuss how Liberal policies and the entitlement mentality distorted the workplace and working relationships, and led to HR departments hyper-reacting as though they had to be Human Shields Against Tort Lawyers, regardless of how stupid the complaint.


48 posted on 11/01/2011 7:38:02 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Waterboarding Politico...the Conservative/Cain Strategy

http://econus.blogspot.com/2011/11/water-boarding-conservative-cain.html


49 posted on 11/01/2011 7:39:13 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: indianrightwinger

You’re not wrong.

But what you’re focusing on is whether or not Cain handled the revelation of these facts in a politically skillful way.

That’s a separate issue from the actual incident, and one which is in the eyes of the beholder.


50 posted on 11/01/2011 7:42:44 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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