Skip to comments.The Curious Timing of the Herman Cain Accusation (Could a GOP campaign be the source)
Posted on 11/01/2011 6:43:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
For Herman Cain, forget the treats; just bring on the tricks.
Republican presidential contender Herman Cain is the subject of a bombshell accusation on Halloween day that he sexually harassed two women during his tenure at the National Restaurant Association. Cain stoutly denies the charges.
The curious thing about the accusations against Cain are their timing. Why now? Why did Politico break the news now, as opposed to weeks before or later, if Cain secured the GOP presidential nomination? Did Politico only obtain the story now, or had it been sitting on the report for a while? Why now?
Early opinion among conservative leaders is that the fossil media is up to its old tricks in reporting allegations of sexual harassment against Cain. Politico is serving as the cat's paw for its liberal allies and the Democrat Party, goes the thinking. This could be. The fossil media - Politico included - may have determined that Cain poses a potent threat to Barack Obama's presidency and that he had to be politically offed now before he gained any more momentum. A Cain presidency could shake liberaldom, the race industry, and the Democratic Party to its foundations.
But there's another consideration to make in the Cain attack. Who benefits immediately from bursting Cain's fast-rising presidential balloon? Why, Cain's Republican rivals. Sherlock Holmes wasn't about sleuthing for the obvious suspects, nor should those following the Cain story as it unfolds. It may be worth investigating Cain's GOP rivals, who have every reason to facilitate
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I think it’s Perry’s people, looking for payback for Cain’s attempt to discreetly but definitely toss a bit of gasoline onto the “hunting lodge” flap.
Guarenteed. My guess would be Piece-Of-Mitt Romney.
Whenever Team Romney had rumors they wanted to start about other candidates,
Jonathan Martin has been their go-to guy to get those rumors in writing in front of a national audience.
And The Most Irresponsible Journalist Award Goes to The Politicos Jonathan Martin!
So tell me, how do you write a news story about an organization paying for a speaker when you dont even know if the organization is paying for the speaker?
Ask journalist Jonathan Martin. He knows all about it.
You see, Jonny wrote a piss poor story the other day about how the Iowa Family Policy Center will be paying a large speaker fee if Sarah Palin comes to Iowa to keynote the IFPCs fall funderaiser.
The only problem is that Jonny has no sources confirming that any exorbitant fee is being charged or paid.
Jonny also got some inside info from David Kochel, who was a top aide to former (and future) presidential candidate, Mitt Romney.
Hey Dave, didnt I just read a story about how Mitt Romney tried to buy off the Iowa Christian Alliance?
I heard you helped facilitate that little scheme. And somehow you are shocked at the thought of a well-known political figure (who very likely isnt running for president) getting paid a speakers fee for (gasp) a public speaking appearance? ..
and then weve got Tim Albrecht quoted. He was the Iowa spokesman for Romneys 2008 caucus campaign.
And it always seemed like, whenever the Romney people had rumors they wanted to start about other candidates,
Jonny was their go-to guy to get those rumors in writing in front of a national audience.
"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the Diva leak was Nicolle Wallaces husband."
Romney would be my top suspect. He has motive, means, and opportunity. Perry and even Bachmann would also be brought in for questioning.
I don’t think it came from another GOP campaign. Time line doesn’t work. Politico said they asked Cain TEN DAYS ago for a comment. That means they had to spend a few weeks runnign down the story, finding the people. So, they first got tipped to the story about Oct 1, if not earlier. Cain hadn’t really taken off at the time...his surge started later..
It does not matter. These types of things need to be vetted and discussed about a candidate.
The bigger problem was Cain’s bumbling all day with “make up as I go” responses to the issue and questions. That bothers me a whole lot more about him and has forever. He just does not have any consistency and thoughtfulness.
I am convinced this came from a GOP campaign. There is no reason for the left to do this now. They would save it for later.
Romney would be my top suspect. He has motive, means, and opportunity. Perry and even Bachmann would also be brought in for questioning.
I disagree. Romney needs Cain to stick around through the early primaries to counter Perry and Newt. This is a little early. My bet would be on Perry, since Cain is taking conservative support from him.
Yep, Mittens, Perry AND ROVE(all First Class BACKSTABBERS)!
Not the least bit curious, expected is more like it.
I think it is past time someone start questioning Rove about what his ties are to specific campaigns.
He claims to be an objective commentator. Fine, then let him clear up the questions about his contacts with other GOP Candidates campaigns
The other thing credible journalists might want to press Rove to clear up just what his role was in the robo-call smear campaign against John McCain in South Carolina prior to the 2000 GOP primary.
Rove needs to put these questions to bed by releasing any documentation he has clearing up the allegations that he staged that the smear job against McCain.
(Note to the Rovebots, how do you like being on the receiving end of your own media tactics for a change?)
Remember we are much closer to the primaries so would Obama gain at this point vs. firing this off in the general..
Actually his not handling it like a politician is what I like about him. It isn’t as easy as it seems even for a pro like Bush and the drunk driving charge.
How many times you going to let these charges work?
Pray for America
If it were the ‘rats, they would either wait until Oct 2012,
or they’d trying to derail him before he gets that far.
The latter is probably the case. They truly hate and fear this man.
But then again; rather have it come out now then next fall right before the election..
It would have come out at some point; better now than later if Cain gets the nomination.
They (the left) don’t even want to have to face this guy,
so it’s possible they would try to take him out early.
Facts need to be discussed and vetted. Lying smear jobs based on rumor and innundo are not vetting.
The fact that Politico and Rove cannot back up any of their lying smears here demonstrate this is a gutter slime whisper campaign, not vetting.
Time for the accusers to either put up or shut up. They have made an accusation, Cain has refuted it. So now their either need to document their accusation or recant it.
I don’t have any doubt it was the slithering GOP.
They want Herman out asap.
They want Obama re-elected.
The GOP is the enemey of conservatives and of freedom.
Exactly correct, all part of the vetting process. One of the appealing things about experienced candidates that the media hate like Sarah or Newt is that they are completely vetted, nothing left in the closet. Candidates new to the national scene are much more risky since just about everyone has stuff in the closet that they would like to keep in the closet.
You argue against yourself. If Politico got the story by their own sleuthing, then yes, your timeline might hold. But if it was a tip from the GOP, then it could have come to them as early as 10 days ago. A tip is a tip, is a tip, is...
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The way the race looks today, one could argue he needs Perry in the race to counter Cain, not the other way around. I personally don't think Perry is coming back. I think he's done.
Even if Cain faltered, I think the base, faced with a choice between Perry and Newt, at this point would pick Newt. And I am sure Romney has a nice fat file on Newt. That will be easy pickins.
But you could be right. Either way, I believe this came from a Cain rival, not from the left. I wonder if we'll ever find out.
Romney needs Perry around, rather. The second choice of polled Perry supporters has been shown to be Romney. His Palin preventative burned out too quick and led to Romney having a real challenger: Cain.
Get a grip - this is politico. The paper was created to serve obama. Romney needs Cain as a viable running mate and it would be too high risk for GOP to do this. Has anyone ruled out the Cain campaign? Bachmann?
I don’t know why this keeps being talked about in such breathless tones, e.g. as a “bombshell.”
Anyone’s whose been in business for several decades has seen these types of complaints, and worse, made in the workplace and they understand their dynamics. Which, without much more, are hardly a “bombshell.”
They also know, especially 20 or so years ago, HR departments, like insurance companies, regularly just paid people a small sum (or a large sum if they were loudmouths) to shut up and get the hell out of their company/department.
It’s possible that a Republican is the source. But with all the scandals hitting Obama lately, I wouldn’t be surprised if the press didn’t do this themselves so they don’t have to report the bad stuff on their guy.
Probably so, especially after the WTF-ness of that speech the other day.
I still consider his campaign the prime suspect.
The way the race looks today, one could argue he needs Perry in the race to counter Cain, not the other way around.
That is certainly true to an extent. Though, Perry does have the money and infrastructure that Cain does not. Either way, Romney needs them both for the early rounds. If Romney can take Iowa, and NH in a landslide, he strengthens his hand greatly.
For the record, I am a Cain supporter (i like his business background). That stated, I will vote for ANY (including Mitt and Newt) republican in the general.
While Politico presented the story as a typical hit job (Headline: Cain accused of sexual harrassment; body of article: but it was investigated and there was no there there), and that's not fair journalism, if the complaints were made, they were made. And that needs to come out now and be addressed.
Personally, I think this story reminds people of so much that is wrong with Liberal policies and the way they distorted the workplace and the legal system.
Since this is a Republican candidate we are talking about, we will probably never know, but I would bet the two who initiated the “complain” probably have a history of having done the same thing several other times.
It could be dropping dime on another Repub and still serve Obama. It’s not impossible or mutually exclusive.
PS--I'm with you on the general. It's unpleasant, but that's politics for you. It's not as if holding your nose is anything new. And though we grow weary of it, it will still be a very clear and obvious choice.
These types of charges are designed to disappoint and discourage the conservative base.
We know very well that the Rats could care less about one of their candidates actually engaging in sex CRIMES, much less this.
So, unless someone still wants to talk about the actual incident and Cain's response, etc., in my view, the best thing we can do is simply stop talking about the story. Period.
And we sure as Hell's Bells need to stop calling it a "bombshell" and the like. It's not a bombshell that a man in leadership in business for several years had a complaint filed against him because he "offended" someone. It happens. All the time, unfortunately. So evaluate it as the cost of doing business in a Liberally-distorted workplace. If there's no there there, shut up about it and move on.
That's my take and I'm sticking to it.
Or maybe it was put out to be dealt with now rather than later.
Why does it have to come from a GOP campaign? Why not a past DC hack, like Rove?
But a story has to be evaluated before it can be placed in the "fact" or "smear job" category.
In this case, the complaints did happen. That is a fact and it needs to be vetted.
That is a separate issue from HOW that fact was presented to the public by Politico.
Once the facts of the incident have been evaluated, then that should be that.
KCarl Rove’s fingerprints are all over this. He will stab any Conservative in the back, no matter the damage it does.
It would not surprise me. Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich, and Santorum have the most to benefit from a Cain fall, though Romney can't be ruled out either.
The democrats know that Cain, should he gain momentum and secure the Republican nomination would just demolish the democrat base. The heart of the Obama base is Blacks. the heart of the democrat base is women and minorities.
Their articles of faith are that big government is needed to protect women and minorities from the evil white men and their greedy corporations.
They also think that the wing-nuts of the right will instantly turn on each other instead of their common enemy.
Just have a troll throw them a fake story and watch them go after each other.
Rove has my vote
I honestly believe Karl Rove was probably behind this.
On behalf of his candidate.
I’m sick of people acting as though the earth shook when this story came out.
It’s articles such as these that are playing exactly into the hands Politico dealt them.
Why was this story treated by our side as a “bombshell”? Do we not know enough to expect this kind of treatment from media such as Politico? And do we not know enough to expect that every candidate is going to have something brought to light that is, at first blush, unfavorable?
Is there some reason we, as a “base,” don’t just calmly say: “Okay, whatever, Politico. We’ll look into and get back to you.”
IOW, we’ll review the FACTS, but we’re not going to let you, LSM, throw us into some kind of globalthermonuclear uproar and chaos because, gasp, you published something unfavorable about one of candidates in an unfavorable way.
Our side constantly writing about how supposedly horrible this has been for Cain just creates the impression that it’s been horrible for Cain. When just maybe that is not the case.
And now this: sowing discord or worse among those supporting various candidates. Is this helpful or stupid?
My money’s on Mitt.
It is well documented. There was settlement.
The issue is NOT about whether harrassment occurred or its nature. The issue is why Cain would not know this ahead of time, disclose it ahead of time, or worst case, have a crisp and consistent response when the issue came up.
And, adding insult to injury, he kept changing his tune all day long and was not parroting the same things his campaign folks were parrating.
I’ll take you seriously when you start posting reasoned thoughtful post about why we should support your candidate rather then your usual collection of emotion based personal attacks at the other candidates in the race.
Oh, the stories I could tell about these types of complaints and what I’ve seen in the workplace . . .
I wish the response had been to the simple fact that these complaints were, in fact, made and, when put in perspective, they don’t say anything negative about Cain’s character or conduct. End of discussion.
Maybe call out Politico once or twice for HOW they reported the facts. Then drop it.
I see us actually repeating en masse the hyperreaction of millions of HR departments across the land whenever the words “sexual harrassment” are used. It’s like cancer: people begin screaming “Get it out! Slash and burn! Whatever it takes!” — when there are some cases where “watchful waiting” is appropriate.
But I literally have seen “sexual harrassment” complaints that had to do with a woman being offended that she was not included in a golf outing (even though she didn’t play golf) and similar. Nothing about sex at all. Just offended + female gender = “sexual” harrassment.
We should have (and, I guess, still could) used the opportunity, once the facts were evaluated and Cain was politically exonerated (by his base), to discuss how Liberal policies and the entitlement mentality distorted the workplace and working relationships, and led to HR departments hyper-reacting as though they had to be Human Shields Against Tort Lawyers, regardless of how stupid the complaint.
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You’re not wrong.
But what you’re focusing on is whether or not Cain handled the revelation of these facts in a politically skillful way.
That’s a separate issue from the actual incident, and one which is in the eyes of the beholder.
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