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'My students make twice my salary'
CNN Money ^ | Nov 1, 2011 | Blake Ellis

Posted on 11/01/2011 8:27:13 AM PDT by thackney

Jim Stout, an English professor at Williston State College in Williston N.D., started losing some of his best students to the oil fields last year. It was too hard to compete: The students could either spend thousands of dollars on a college education or earn $100,000 a year working on the rigs, performing maintenance on oil wells or driving trucks.

"At some point they decide, 'Well, college will always be here ... but the oil boom won't,'" he said.

One engineering student dropped out of college last winter to take a job boiling the water used in hydraulic fracturing. In just two weeks, he made $5,000, according to Lance Olson, a science instructor at the college.

While some students leave the college altogether, others take the bare minimum of courses necessary in order to qualify for campus housing and still be able to work. So class time often comes second to their day jobs.

"One of my students working in the oilfields habitually came in late, and started to fall asleep in class," said Stout. "I asked him what was going on, and he said, 'I'm putting in 90 hours a week because the overtime pays so well ... to be honest with you, I'll get what you cover from my friends in class, but don't count on me staying awake or getting to class on time.'"

America's Biggest Boomtown

Only about one-third of Williston State College students graduated from the two-year associate's degree program last year, said Mike Hillman, vice chancellor for academic and student affairs with the North Dakota University System. That rate has stayed around 35% to 40% for the past few years, but Hillman said he expects it to plunge even lower this school year as students exit early for jobs.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: bakken; energy; oil; oilshale
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1 posted on 11/01/2011 8:27:17 AM PDT by thackney
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To: thackney

A job is terrible thing to waste.....


2 posted on 11/01/2011 8:29:04 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: thackney

then change professions . . .


3 posted on 11/01/2011 8:29:36 AM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: thackney
"At some point they decide, 'Well, college will always be here ... but the oil boom won't,'"

Actually, there's no reason to believe that college will always be there (at least not in its current form).
4 posted on 11/01/2011 8:33:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: thackney

Reality Slaps College professor in the face.


5 posted on 11/01/2011 8:34:00 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: thackney
"At some point they decide, 'Well, college will always be here ... but the oil boom won't,'"

Sound like his students are smarter than he is.

6 posted on 11/01/2011 8:34:07 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: thackney

I have a nephew that is turning 26 and makes $110K per year as an oilfield welder. I have a PhD and three undergraduate degrees with a minor and make half that. More power to him. MD’s with similar education make six times as much as an average veterinarian. Its just the way the cards fall.If I was a bedwetting handwringing liberal I’d be out protesting.


7 posted on 11/01/2011 8:34:46 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: thackney

I was speaking with an older gentleman this morning who holds numerous patents on catalyst cracking. He knows the oil and gas industry as well as any living human. He says it was well known 20 years ago that we had least 1.5 trillion barrels of known US reserves. And we have much more now.

Our salvation is under our feet in America. All we need to do is go get the energy...


8 posted on 11/01/2011 8:35:29 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: thackney

The professor’s former students in the oil industry are doing useful work that contributes to the economy and benefits society. While society needs good teachers, most of the college employees probably do little or nothing useful and are just parasites sponging off the taxpayers.


9 posted on 11/01/2011 8:36:30 AM PDT by detective
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To: SandRat
Not that we don't need some english professors, but it sounds like changing the school to more oil industry related teaching like geology, metallurgy, etc, might be a wise move on the part of the school.
10 posted on 11/01/2011 8:38:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: isthisnickcool

>> All we need to do is go get the energy...

Fat chance of the Dimmocrats allowing that.


11 posted on 11/01/2011 8:38:14 AM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: thackney
At some point they decide, 'Well, college will always be here ... but the oil boom won't,'" he said.

I guess that makes them intelligent.

Compare that to the Occupy crowd that are crying that no one will pay them $100k a year to make use of their PhDs in Afro-transgender-underwater-basket weaving.

12 posted on 11/01/2011 8:39:23 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: thackney

my roommate in college worked on the oilfields and it sounds like it’s totally dangerous.

During his short time working there, he

1. Got his teeth knocked out by some machinery that springed back
2. Dislocated his arm
3. Broke his leg.


13 posted on 11/01/2011 8:40:06 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: MNDude

It doesn’t pay well because it is simple and easy.

Lessons come hard for those that don’t pay attention to the safety orientation films.


14 posted on 11/01/2011 8:41:24 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: MNDude

There are lots of dangerous jobs.

I worked in a hardwoods sawmill and had a few scary moments and injuries myself.


15 posted on 11/01/2011 8:43:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: thackney

probably true. He was never the brightest guy around.


16 posted on 11/01/2011 8:43:55 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: thackney

Sounds like a serious problem for academia.

Any way the Baraqqis can shut this down?


17 posted on 11/01/2011 8:44:10 AM PDT by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: thackney

whud’d be funny would be the professor leaving the classroom for the oil patch.


18 posted on 11/01/2011 8:44:33 AM PDT by ken21
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To: thackney

Most of Americas more successful businessmen, entrepreneurs and inventors have no college. Some have no HS. That should speak volumes to this whiny professor. Working on an oil rig is 20 times more constructive than brain washing college students with liberal jibberish on a daily basis.


19 posted on 11/01/2011 8:48:19 AM PDT by albie
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To: thackney

I would pay an oil field worker more than I would pay an English professor. After all, the oil field worker produces something of value.


20 posted on 11/01/2011 8:48:34 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: MNDude
my roommate in college worked on the oilfields and it sounds like it’s totally dangerous.

My cousin worked on an oil well back in the 80's. Got his arm caught in a chain and it was cut off. They were able to reattach it though.

21 posted on 11/01/2011 8:48:56 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: thackney

He could be working in oil fields and tutor at night you know for nostalgia sake


22 posted on 11/01/2011 8:49:35 AM PDT by Flavius (What hopes for victory, Gaius Crastinus? What grounds for encouragement ?)
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To: MNDude

That’s why those oil rig jobs pay well and come with top of the line insurance (life, health, etc.).

Think someone’ll pay $50 per hour to sit at a desk?


23 posted on 11/01/2011 8:49:50 AM PDT by risen_feenix
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To: thackney

bump


24 posted on 11/01/2011 8:50:26 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: thackney

In the video linked to in the thread Mike Rowe (Dirty Jobs host) talks about the discoveries he’s made in the real world and the dire situation we’re nurturing by looking down on dangerous, dirty, menial jobs.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2650612/posts

I especially liked his comments on OSHA and the Alaska crabbing industry.


25 posted on 11/01/2011 8:51:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: vetvetdoug
My father was a ag college prof back in the mini-boom which resulted after the first oil crisis in the early 1970's. Some of his students came to him for advice on what whether they should continue with college and take on debt or take jobs as welders out in the oil fields of Western North Dakota which paid very well.

Most of them were farm boys, some from that part of the state. My Dad told them to take the jobs because college would still be here and the boom might not last. The administration came down hard on him and demoted him for his honesty.

Almost to a man, the kids whom he advised came back to college after the boom ended, with more than enough savings to see them through until degree time, and thanked him for his honest and sound advice. Some of them even set up a fan page for him on Facebook, even though he has been gone nearly 20 years now.

26 posted on 11/01/2011 8:52:11 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: cripplecreek

>>There are lots of dangerous jobs.<<

I got my hand caught in a machine that stuffed envelopes. Even jobs that don’t look all that dangerous can be if one is not careful. (I was young and gabbing when it happened)


27 posted on 11/01/2011 8:54:36 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Vigilanteman

>>Some of them even set up a fan page for him on Facebook, even though he has been gone nearly 20 years now. <<

Sometimes Greatness is defined by how people remember you.


28 posted on 11/01/2011 8:57:49 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom

I was a 3 knife trimmer operator in a bindery once too. Industrial paper knives are downright scary.


29 posted on 11/01/2011 8:58:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: QBFimi

Oil leases and purchases in the Bakken Shale/Williston Basis are private land. The only way the feds can screw things up is to block frac-ing. However, they have yet to prove, and cannot prove, that frac-ing is detrimental to subsurface water sources.


30 posted on 11/01/2011 8:59:15 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: cripplecreek

Who are you going to get to teach the classes (most of the geologists out here are well employed, too.)


31 posted on 11/01/2011 9:01:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: vetvetdoug

Im sure he has what is considered a PHD in Welding. Its not like you can just fart around and learn to weld high pressure pipes to government specs.


32 posted on 11/01/2011 9:02:13 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: cripplecreek

I saw a guy throw a bucket of water on an electrical fire in a high-voltage breaker box. It’s a miracle that he didn’t get fried. But he wasn’t very bright; I figure that sooner or later the odds caught up to him.


33 posted on 11/01/2011 9:02:24 AM PDT by henkster (Socialists and liberals all want jobs; they just don't want to work.)
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To: MNDude

Not to be crass, but your roommate sounds totally dangerous. I hope he made a full recovery. Yes, there are hazards, and potentially lethal ones. Knowing the dangers and avoiding/preventing them is part of the job.


34 posted on 11/01/2011 9:04:11 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: henkster
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35 posted on 11/01/2011 9:06:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: thackney
"At some point they decide, 'Well, college will always be here ... but the oil boom won't,'" he said.

I applaud the students who realize this and are able to make an informed decision about their own futures.

College will still be there, as will night and weekend school. And cheaper colleges for when you already have a job and just need a diploma for advancement and not for the resume.

36 posted on 11/01/2011 9:08:41 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: cripplecreek

Those guys had guts. I once heard as a child that in building a skyscraper, you could count on one death per floor. Don’t know if that was ever true or just the crap kids tell each other when they are in junior high.


37 posted on 11/01/2011 9:11:17 AM PDT by henkster (Socialists and liberals all want jobs; they just don't want to work.)
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To: SandRat

being a Professor means you don’t get the money in exchange for the time to pursue matters of the intelect. (not to be confused for matters of the inane)

College is just a meal ticket, these students simple do not need him.


38 posted on 11/01/2011 9:11:46 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: nascarnation
Any way the Baraqqis can shut this down?

Yeah...they want a huge border exclusion zone up by Canada...extending across the USA....and controlled by the TSA.

was a post on FR about this a week or so ago.

39 posted on 11/01/2011 9:14:10 AM PDT by spokeshave (Cain....100% American, 100% Black and 100% for the Constitution...999 an added benefit.)
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To: henkster

Its astounding to me that the Mackinaw bridge was built in about 3 and a half years total with no winter construction.

Compare that to the decade spent building the Hoover dam bypass bridge.


40 posted on 11/01/2011 9:14:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yikes!!!!!


41 posted on 11/01/2011 9:19:46 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Thane_Banquo

On the flip side how many graduating students have an albatross of huge college student loans from overbloated tuition rates haging around their necks? Absurd what most of these colleges charge for tuition—a big ripoff.


42 posted on 11/01/2011 9:20:08 AM PDT by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: albie

I hire a lot of engineers for the automotive industry. Despite however many letters are after their name, how many degrees they have, or how long they went to college - it always comes down to what they can do, rather than what they know.

The real world doesn’t fool around - lol - prove you can do the job or hit the bricks.


43 posted on 11/01/2011 9:25:54 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("Go now. Run along and tell your Xerxes that he faces Free Men here...not slaves.")
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To: JohnBrowdie

I went from retiring from the military to the corporate world to faculty at a small university because that is what I wanted to do, knowing that the pay would be somewhat less but that I would enjoy the job more. Get a grip professor; a lot of your students have the potential to make more than you do and they seem to be smarter than you by taking the time away from school to make money in the oil industry. The smart ones realize that it won’t be a lifetime job and most couldn’t keep up the pace as they get older but for now it is the more lucrative path. If the good professor is young enough and able enough, take a sabbatical and work the oil fields; he might learn some life lessons.


44 posted on 11/01/2011 9:30:15 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: QBFimi
Fat chance of the Dimmocrats allowing that.

All we need to do is get rid of the Democrats:)

45 posted on 11/01/2011 9:30:43 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: isthisnickcool

When I was a missile launch officer in North Dakota during the late 70s the oil industry and massive exploration had already taken off. It has taken this long for the leases and operations to become profitable enough to pursue.


46 posted on 11/01/2011 9:32:50 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: DainBramage

“...government specs...”

That’s what used to be proudly known as “close enough for government work”.


47 posted on 11/01/2011 9:34:30 AM PDT by shove_it (old Old Guardsman)
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To: thackney

“...Jim Stout, an English professor at Williston State College in Williston N.D...”

Betcha most of what he teaches has nothing to do with English or literature.

If true, then perhaps he also might be better off working in the oil fields.


48 posted on 11/01/2011 9:34:38 AM PDT by Da Coyote (Ngs)
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To: Vigilanteman

Wow, that’s a really nice thing. He probably taught those kids more than they could learn in a lifetime from a leftist professor. You are fortunate to have had him for your father. God bless him.


49 posted on 11/01/2011 9:36:57 AM PDT by texas_mrs (Heartless Conservative & Native Texan)
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To: thackney

I thought the OWS loons were all complaining of no jobs?

And now some self-important professor suggests students should not be working, earning really good salaries so they can be bored in his class while wracking up massive debt in student loans?

I think he part of the problem.


50 posted on 11/01/2011 9:38:59 AM PDT by DakotaRed (Why not just pass a law requiring criminals to obey the laws?)
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