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Halloween in the French Quarter-15 Shot 2 Dead
The Times Picayune ^ | 11-01-11 | Clear Blue Sky

Posted on 11/01/2011 9:00:38 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky

A shooting on Bourbon, at St. Louis Street, in the French Quarter about 12:30 a.m. injured seven people and killed a 25-year-old man. All of the victims were caught in the crossfire when two people began to shoot at each other in a crowd of costumed revelers celebrating Halloween, police said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nola.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: amish; crime; ericholderspeople; frenchquarter; holderspeople; keepingitrealyo; neworleans
Excerpt- read the article at the NOLA site.

Tourists beware, the French Quarter is a Hunting Ground! The 'perception of crime' is racking up real,bleeding victims daily. The only hope for the Vieux Carre is to wall it off and charge admission, because it is surrounded by a crime-infested, deteroriating, thug-run city that will not stop luring victims. Anyone thinking of coming here- stay OUT of the city at night, period. Venture into the French Quarter/Downtown area only in daylight,with others, and preferably armed. The predators are waiting-and they're winning!

1 posted on 11/01/2011 9:00:41 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky
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To: All

chocolate city bump


2 posted on 11/01/2011 9:05:33 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: ClearBlueSky

Show me someone going to New Orleans for a vacation and I’ll show you someone going there for the first time.


3 posted on 11/01/2011 9:09:52 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: MrB

And here we have another example ...

Guess I’m a racist for putting 2+2 together and arriving at 4.


4 posted on 11/01/2011 9:10:30 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: ClearBlueSky
With all of the people dressed up in popular zombie and vampire costumes .....

..... I bet a bunch of drunks and stoners accidentally mistook the traditions of Halloween for the Zombie Apocalypse.

5 posted on 11/01/2011 9:11:17 AM PDT by R_Kangel (`.`)
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To: ClearBlueSky

So, all in all, a perfectly normal Halloween in New Orleans...


6 posted on 11/01/2011 9:12:02 AM PDT by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm at no additional charge...)
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To: ClearBlueSky

diversity.

Hope only the diverse were harmed


7 posted on 11/01/2011 9:12:28 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Occupy is the DNC's use of children,indigent & infirm to push back TeaParty calls for smaller gov't)
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To: ClearBlueSky
New Orleans is a city that was built by pirates, brigands and cut-throats.

Nothing has changed.

8 posted on 11/01/2011 9:12:40 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Hodar

(combined response to your reply on another thread)
It’s not “racist”, it is, as you said, a problem of culture.

If it were a genetic problem then it would be a “race” issue.
But, there are enough counter examples to show that it’s not a genetic issue.

You, like me, are a “culturist”, and I defy any leftist to argue that all cultures are morally equal, that some cultures are not superior to others.


9 posted on 11/01/2011 9:16:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ClearBlueSky

I remember vividly a Mardi Gras in New Orleans in 1959 when a friend on mine in the Army went out to celebrate. He never came back, was murdered that night.

Since then I have thought that anyone going out on streets of New Orleans for any type of celebration is taking one helluva risk.


10 posted on 11/01/2011 9:18:45 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: ClearBlueSky

You beat us again! DC only had 6 shot in five separate incidents, with no fatalities although one guy is critical with a head wound.


11 posted on 11/01/2011 9:19:11 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: VanShuyten

“You beat us again.. DC only had 6 shot..”

Remember the “good ole’ days” when there was a few shot every night?!! Fond memories... /s


12 posted on 11/01/2011 9:24:43 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Joe 6-pack

You know, that has been my theory- as a native- all of my life. I think the genetic memory of the Barbary Coast piracy mentality is the basic problem with New Orleans. The morals of the majority of civilization not only do not apply here, culturally, the criminal mentality is excused and even celebrated!
This was, as I understand, the regular ‘two thugs with a grudge see each other and start shooting’ thing. They’re always ready to dispense ‘street justice’ anywhere and any time. Bystanders simply don’t matter.
What is more criminal, in my mind, is that the local media insists you are safe if you’re not involved in crime yourself, AND that the ‘perception’ of crime is the real problem!
Ah well- it’s N.O.- if it’s not football it’s forgotten as soon as it happens. Just wanted Freepers to know in case it got purged from the news.


13 posted on 11/01/2011 9:25:34 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Mase
Show me someone going to New Orleans for a vacation and I’ll show you someone going there for the first time.

I like to spend time in New Orleans, but I seldom go to Bourbon Street.

Some of the best restaurants in the world. Jacquesimo's on Oak Street is a personal favorite.

14 posted on 11/01/2011 9:26:45 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Lots of Amish livin’ in New Orleans.


15 posted on 11/01/2011 9:30:40 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: MrB
If it were a genetic problem then it would be a “race” issue. But, there are enough counter examples to show that it’s not a genetic issue.

100% total agreement. It's not genetic, it's not a racial issue. My favorite RNC candidate is Herman Cain, who exhibits none of the cultural traits I have detailed.

It is a cultural issue, one that has several strong and attractive traits going for it. It requires little or no effort, sets low expectations and practically garrantees success (by low standards) to all members. Any perceived failures or shortcomings are excused by playing the 'victim' card. So, naturally, the culture prospers; it has for centuries.

16 posted on 11/01/2011 9:34:49 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: VanShuyten

...Still waiting on the numbers from Chicago and Detroit before declaring the winner!


17 posted on 11/01/2011 9:35:14 AM PDT by lwd
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To: FatherofFive

I’m a native born and raised in the French Quarter and I wouldn’t go into the Vieux Carre at night if you gave me a million dollars.
Everywhere at night is dangerous, yes, even Uptown/Riverbend and those fabulous restaurants. The predators go where the victims with money are.
I haven’t been into Orleans Parish since 2005 except passing through on the Interstate. No reason to go, not a danger junkie. Nothing there is worth risking my life.
And yes, the predators cross parish lines, but in Orleans they have the distinct advantage.
I have a close relative working in New Orleans EMS. He tells me things the public never hears; graphic and horrifying! It sounds more like Escape From New York than the place I grew up in.
And just now- on the radio- the Police Chief saying “Enough is Enough!” Laughable! Half of the police department has criminal connections!


18 posted on 11/01/2011 9:38:41 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: FatherofFive
And I go to Drago's in Metarie every time I go to NO (monthly) - to eat BBQ'd oysters - and then to Morning Call for beignets.

Even so, the city is still a hell hole and I would never invest/spend my valuable vacation time there.

19 posted on 11/01/2011 9:42:07 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: lwd

Unfortunately, the Philadelphia subway shootout yesterday didn’t yield any deaths. I guess they won’t be in the mix this year.


20 posted on 11/01/2011 9:43:14 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Mase

Good to hear. Make no mistake, the thugs cruise Metairie at night too, but the odds of becoming a victim are much less in Jefferson Parish. Always be wary-especially when going to your car.
Stay in Metairie- really no reason to go into Orleans for good food-unless an edge of danger spices things up for you. The odds of becoming a victim in Orleans parish are far greater than the public will ever be told.
As long as you spend your $$ BEFORE you get attacked, it’s fine with the Tourist Commission.


21 posted on 11/01/2011 9:49:19 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Mase

Ya know, you can’t be New Orleans for food (esp. Mother’s). The WWII museum in nice, too.


22 posted on 11/01/2011 9:50:14 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Every mardi gras I have spent in the FQ was overcrowded, so much so that one couldnt take one step in front of them without shoving and pushing. Nowhere to run. Imagine its the same with halloween.


23 posted on 11/01/2011 9:53:47 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: ClearBlueSky

I was there 2 weeks ago and was thinking it’s actually much cleaner than I remember. Of course, I was back at the hotel before 9pm and Louisiana has CHL reciprocity with Texas...

Colonel, USAFR


24 posted on 11/01/2011 9:55:23 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Mase

Try Yo Mama’s for a GREAT hamburger. They even have one with peanut butter that is actually pretty good.


25 posted on 11/01/2011 9:55:43 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: lwd

Has South Dallas reported in yet?


26 posted on 11/01/2011 9:57:11 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Little Ray

We took 120 AF folks to the WWII museum 2 weeks ago - I love the fact that their mantra is, “stories, not stuff”, and they’ve compiled so many oral histories.

Colonel, USAFR


27 posted on 11/01/2011 9:59:53 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Hodar
Herman Cain is, almost certainly, from a culture of ‘Church going blacks’. They tend to be classy, get educated, and stay married.

This used to be the predominant strain of black culture in America - but now the hiphop gangster culture seems to predominate.

28 posted on 11/01/2011 10:02:25 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Grunthor

Here are the victims:
Albert Glover, 25, of New Orleans, was shot about 12:30 a.m. on Bourbon Street near the corner of St. Louis Street. He was pronounced dead upon arrival at Interim LSU Public Hospital.

Joshua Lewis, 19, of Marrero, was shot about 1:46 a.m. on Canal Street near the intersection of University Place in the CBD. He died at the Interim LSU Public Hospital about 2:54 a.m.

Both thugs with arrest records. The first a heroin dealer. Thugs killing thugs=no great loss. At least the innocent who were shot are still alive-a couple in serious condition, I hear.
I think public dueling grounds should be brought back( as opposed to every street in the city being used for revenge shootings). Make a place, set times, bring your weapons and have it out. Have dumptrucks standing by to pick up bodies. They wouldn’t go for the 10 paces and shoot tradition, but maybe tickets could be sold-kinda like watching gladiators have it out.


29 posted on 11/01/2011 10:45:18 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ClearBlueSky

New Orleans, Detroit and Philadelphia are the only major cities I have never visited, and it shall remain that way.


30 posted on 11/01/2011 10:48:18 AM PDT by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: Mase

I was in the French Quarter on Bourbon Street just last week. The place really is a s*** hole. In fact, all of New Orleans is a run-down mess (and this isn’t just from Katrina). I can’t see myself going there on a vacation.


31 posted on 11/01/2011 10:53:16 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Little Ray
I occasionally dream about the roast beef debris po-boy from Mother's. :-) Overall, though, Domilise's is the sandwich shop that most reminds me of my childhood. Far less of a tourist attraction, too (just be sure to go during the relatively safe hours).

Speaking of hours, one restaurant that does okay after dark despite its horrible location is Jack Dempsey's on Poland Avenue. Of course, it's right across the street from the Naval Port of Embarkation facility and has armed security in the parking lot. The huge stadium-like lights in the parking lot help a lot, too. That's what it takes to keep some restaurants alive in New Orleans.

I agree that the WWII Museum is a treasure. It's even got a chunk of the Atlantic Wall now. I've been to the museums in Normandy; the one in New Orleans is far nicer. John Besh's restaurant by the museum (The American Sector) is quite good, too. Retro (1940s) menu, and period waitress attire to match.

32 posted on 11/01/2011 10:57:20 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Just some jobless yutes having fun.


33 posted on 11/01/2011 11:05:24 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Mase
We once visited friends who had been transferred there. Notice that was once, one time, never again. We made the mistake of doing the tourist thing and going down to Bourbon Street. Ugh. Lysol!!! We couldn't get out of there fast enough and that was during daylight hours.
34 posted on 11/01/2011 11:06:18 AM PDT by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: ClearBlueSky
I think public dueling grounds should be brought back( as opposed to every street in the city being used for revenge shootings). Make a place, set times, bring your weapons and have it out.

The Dueling Oak is still there, on the edge of City Park.


35 posted on 11/01/2011 11:08:46 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Once a S%$#t-hole. Always a S%$#t-hole


36 posted on 11/01/2011 11:09:39 AM PDT by mort56
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To: NoLibZone

Went there once for Mardi Gras a long time ago. Even back then, I had never witnessed such a bunch of drunk, ignorant, and criminal types looking to make a name for themselves. I have never been back and don’t plan on recommending it to any of my friends. Victims frequent places like that and put themselves into harms way needlessly.


37 posted on 11/01/2011 11:13:30 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: ClearBlueSky
I live a little over an hour away from New Orleans, haven't been there in 30 years, intend on keeping that record going.

Third world sh--hole if there ever was one!

38 posted on 11/01/2011 11:14:14 AM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Intersting to think about the Barbary Coast pirate mentality in New Orleans. But then, what is the reason for such similar lawlessness in our inner city ghettos all across the country?


39 posted on 11/01/2011 12:58:23 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I can’t explain the ghetto mentality nationwide except to postulate that it might be a DNA tribal memory thing.
What I’d like to know is if any other city takes the PRIDE in its perversity that N.O. does. The mentality is so ingrained here, across the culture, that any attempts to change it are met with ‘get out, we don’t need you here’!
People actually SAY that being TOO CLEAN and serious and business oriented would make N.O. too much like the boring Midwest! Decay is romanticized and all the negatives are excused as the price of ‘living in paradise’!!


40 posted on 11/01/2011 1:35:46 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ClearBlueSky

I used to enjoy an occasional visit to Bourbon Street. I wouldn’t go there again. It’s sad to see such a great place turn into a gang infested war zone.


41 posted on 11/01/2011 8:09:06 PM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Update stories in today’s TP. Lots of hand-wringing by the political class. Go straight to the comments.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/11/bloody_halloween_ends_with_2_d.html

Halloween shootings leave 2 dead, 14 hurt, city reeling
Published: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 11:15 PM
By Danny Monteverde, The Times-Picayune

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/11/perspectives_on_halloween_shoo.html

Perspectives on Halloween shootings in the French Quarter
Published: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 10:00 PM Updated: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 11:06 PM
By Times-Picayune Staff


42 posted on 11/02/2011 2:09:12 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

The latest spin heard locally is that this was an ‘anomaly’!
And also- the innocent bystanders shot were just ‘in the wrong place at the wrong time’.
If the main tourist attraction in N.O.- the Vieux Carre- is the wrong place, and night is the wrong time- there’s your epitaph for the city!


43 posted on 11/02/2011 6:13:13 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ClearBlueSky

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/11/new_orleans_police_man_killed.html

New Orleans police: Man killed on Bourbon Street over Halloween was ‘intended target’
Published: Thursday, November 03, 2011, 2:50 PM Updated: Thursday, November 03, 2011, 5:27 PM
By Gordon Russell, The Times-Picayune


44 posted on 11/03/2011 5:30:50 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: ClearBlueSky

The GUN did it!!

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/11/high-capacity_magazine_used_in.html

Halloween shooter on Canal Street used gun with high-capacity magazine
Published: Thursday, November 03, 2011, 9:45 PM
By Katy Reckdahl, The Times-Picayune


45 posted on 11/04/2011 1:59:42 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

Oh yeah- inanimate objects up and kill people all the time!
Every night, guns in gun stores ESCAPE and go out and kill people, they just do it real fast and sneaky! Then they go back to the shops and THAT’S why there are so many unsolved crimes!
I could scream!


46 posted on 11/05/2011 7:30:49 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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