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Is Herman Cain taking scandal from bad to worse?
cBS ^ | November 1, 2011 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 11/01/2011 12:17:58 PM PDT by mdittmar

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain's inconsistent statements in the wake of revelations that he was accused of sexual misconduct in the 1990s are complicating his efforts to move on from the incendiary story - and may prompt voters who would otherwise have discounted the allegations to reconsider.

During his initial media interviews on Monday, Cain said that he was unaware if the National Restaurant Association, which he headed during the 1990s, had paid a financial settlement to a female employee or employees who had accused him of sexual misconduct. Politico reported Sunday that at least two women complained about Cain's behavior and ultimately left the group. The woman reportedly received financial payouts and agreed not to discuss the reason they left.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cain; cainscandals; epicfail; fail4romney; hermancain; liars4romney; romneybotattack; rovefail; roveistoast; sexualharrassment; smearlosers4romney
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Brian Montopoli is the senior political reporter at CBSNews.com.
1 posted on 11/01/2011 12:18:03 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

UHHH NO!


2 posted on 11/01/2011 12:19:57 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: mdittmar

No, but state-controlled media’s attempt at manufacturing a scandal is flaming-out.


3 posted on 11/01/2011 12:20:37 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: mdittmar

This is the Rove spin. . .now being espoused by Hannity who is in love with Rove.


4 posted on 11/01/2011 12:21:02 PM PDT by McBuff
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To: mdittmar

Someone should ask this guy Montopoli whether he would consider asking Obama why several of his gay Chicago bathhouse boyfriends were murdered.

And what was the story with Larry Sinclair? Why was he arrested and held without any charges?


5 posted on 11/01/2011 12:22:03 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: mdittmar
Is Herman Cain taking scandal from bad to worse?

Well, here's a headline from today's Washington Times: "Cain campaign has biggest online fundraising day" -- so I think the answer is: No, he is not "taking scandal from bad to worse".

6 posted on 11/01/2011 12:22:20 PM PDT by WayneS (Comments now include 25% more sarcasm at for no additional charge...)
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To: McBuff

I get the feeling Sean Hannity would do anything — ANYTHING — to please Karl Rove...


7 posted on 11/01/2011 12:23:44 PM PDT by WayneS (Comments now include 25% more sarcasm at for no additional charge...)
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To: mdittmar
cbs the gang of a couple dozen anti Cain outlets.

Herman Cain the next president of the US.

8 posted on 11/01/2011 12:26:53 PM PDT by boomop1
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C B S

enough said...

Stay strong Cain...they are running scared, waiting for Palin to come out for you...

just wondering

9 posted on 11/01/2011 12:27:04 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: mdittmar

Dream on, Brian.


10 posted on 11/01/2011 12:27:41 PM PDT by pingman (Durn tootin'; I like Glock shootin'!)
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To: mdittmar

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bozell/2011/11/01/bozell-slams-media-double-standard-shielding-clinton-pouncing-cain


11 posted on 11/01/2011 12:28:11 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: WayneS

LOL!


12 posted on 11/01/2011 12:28:44 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
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To: US Navy Vet

But cBS links to the Politico story,it must be true;)


13 posted on 11/01/2011 12:28:47 PM PDT by mdittmar (i)
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To: mdittmar

Geez, you’d think he had sex in the oval office, AND lied about it.


14 posted on 11/01/2011 12:29:06 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: mdittmar
Odd...I don't remember CBS going into this level of condemnation when Clinton, Dan Rather, or a host of other democrats and/or libs lied through their teeth and were guilty as charged. Where's the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune for Eric Holder, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and a dozen other libs? Here, he was cleared after investigation, but CBS feels it needs to do a hatch job because their boy is likely going to get his a$$ kicked in 2012, and they don't want Cain to even have the chance to do it.
15 posted on 11/01/2011 12:30:37 PM PDT by econjack
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To: LibFreeUSA

Or had homo sex with emmebers of his church and the choir director and had them murdered to shut them up?


16 posted on 11/01/2011 12:30:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

Or had homo sex with memebers of his church and the choir director and had them murdered to shut them up?


17 posted on 11/01/2011 12:31:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: mdittmar

Major fail by MSM and establishment Rinos. Rove needs to STFU.


18 posted on 11/01/2011 12:32:01 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: mdittmar
Nice try smearbots.

Cain had his best fund raising day ever yesterday.

He has everyone on the Right from Rush Limbaugh to Sean Hannity defending him

The stupidity of the GOP Establishment smear machine here may just of handed the GOP nomination to Cain.

19 posted on 11/01/2011 12:32:23 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: mdittmar

With every story this becomes more and more apparent that the claims weren’t the real plan... the plan was to pillory the Cain response.

AND IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THIS IS THE RINO ESTABLISHMENT TALKING POINT!

This is becoming more and more apparent as a Rove/Romney Smear Campaign.


20 posted on 11/01/2011 12:32:30 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: McBuff

Hannity is doing something even more insideous: Sean is making oblique assertions without qualifiers. Disgusting rino, rominy worshipping little nettle.


21 posted on 11/01/2011 12:32:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: mdittmar

Anything to keep the Corzine/Obama scandal off the front pages.


22 posted on 11/01/2011 12:32:47 PM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: econjack

I wathed Greta twice yesterday to make sure I caught it all. I concluded that there is no there there. If he is lying, he very good at it. Bogus crap.


23 posted on 11/01/2011 12:38:52 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: MHGinTN

I think it is past time someone start questioning Rove and the GOP machine about what his ties are to specific GOPcampaigns.

He claims to be an “objective” commentator. Fine, then let him clear up the questions about his contacts with other GOP Candidates campaigns

The other thing credible journalists might want to press Rove to clear up just what his role was in the robo-call smear campaign against John McCain in South Carolina prior to the 2000 GOP primary.

Rove needs to put these questions to bed by releasing any documentation he has clearing up the allegations that he staged that the smear job against McCain.

(Note to the Rovebots, how do you like being on the receiving end of your own media tactics for a change?)


24 posted on 11/01/2011 12:40:18 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MHGinTN

I don’t understand all of the media hype. So he can’t remember a 12 year old non-event from which he recused himself. Lawyers and insurers make these settlements all of the time and he probably signed off on it just to be good riddance.


25 posted on 11/01/2011 12:40:57 PM PDT by ccwman
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To: mdittmar

I think it is past time someone start questioning Rove and the GOP machine about what his ties are to specific GOPcampaigns.

He claims to be an “objective” commentator. Fine, then let him clear up the questions about his contacts with other GOP Candidates campaigns

The other thing credible journalists might want to press Rove to clear up just what his role was in the robo-call smear campaign against John McCain in South Carolina prior to the 2000 GOP primary.

Rove needs to put these questions to bed by releasing any documentation he has clearing up the allegations that he staged that the smear job against McCain.

(Note to the Rovebots, how do you like being on the receiving end of your own media tactics for a change?)


26 posted on 11/01/2011 12:41:32 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: mdittmar

Strange how CBS on their website gives twice as much space to this story that’s over 20 years old and half as much space (you can hardly see it) to the Fast and Furious investigation.


27 posted on 11/01/2011 12:43:38 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: mdittmar

That’s it. I donated last week, but off I go to donate again.


28 posted on 11/01/2011 12:44:37 PM PDT by Politicalmom (I am intrigued and open to the Bush administration's amnesty proposal. -Rick Perry)
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To: mdittmar

Everybody knows the Politico story was a b.s. hitpiece.

Everybody knows that Mr. Cain put the whole thing to rest on Greta yesterday.

Today the leftists, Mittbots, and Perrywinkles are reduced to sobbing about Cain’s first statements in the hours after the Politico piece appeared.

The dogs bark, the caravan moves on.


29 posted on 11/01/2011 12:52:14 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: mdittmar
Dang, did dan raTHer come out of retirement?
30 posted on 11/01/2011 12:52:43 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: All
ATTENTION: There is a poll on the page with this story that needs FReeping ASAP:

Do you think the reported allegations against Herman Cain will have a long-term negative impact on his presidential campaign?
Yes 55%
No 32%
Don't know/Too soon to tell 12%
Total votes: 5703

31 posted on 11/01/2011 1:07:14 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: mdittmar

Cain should have come out right after the story was published by Politico, consulted with Restaurant Association employees who had relevant information, and then made a public statement providing everything that happened to the best of his knowledge.

It certainly doesn’t help anyone’s credibility when they say they “can’t recall” certain facts and then later amend their previous statement(s). Even if there was “sexual harassment” as legally defined, most Americans are fair-minded and this would have eventually become a dead news story. But when you obfuscate or try to cover up what happened, and then facts later come out that show you were being deceitful, you’re toast. Ask Dick Nixon.


32 posted on 11/01/2011 1:09:22 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: 5thGenTexan; justsaynomore

PING!!!!!


33 posted on 11/01/2011 1:11:27 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Dan Rather, reporting for CBS. I know that the documents are bogus but will not make that public because it would mean I have to divulge the source. Since that source is me and the DNC, I will stick with my stonewalling and make an A$$ out of myself. Courage.

34 posted on 11/01/2011 1:11:57 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: mdittmar

What have been the Sexual Harassment charges filed against the officers and ordinary employees of Politico?


35 posted on 11/01/2011 1:19:15 PM PDT by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: mdittmar

Brian Montopoli previously worked for Columbia Journalism Review, and has contributed to The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, Slate, Salon, The Washington Monthly, Washington City Paper and "This American Life." He lives in Brooklyn.

36 posted on 11/01/2011 1:22:26 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Signalman

Monday was a media access day - he had appearances all day long scheduled. I’m sure was getting briefed on this situation between meetings - it was obvious he was filling in more details as the day went on.

He could have waited a day and get his ducks in a row. That’s what a politician would have done. But he took the bull by the horns and people are applauding his straightforward approach to this. He had his highest fundraising ever yesterday, and a lot of people on the fence are now in Cain’s corner.


37 posted on 11/01/2011 1:22:31 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: K-oneTexas; Tucker822; Kartographer; freekitty; carmody; Dead Corpse; MsLady; Publius772000; ...

Regular daily ping is coming but there is a poll here that can use our help on. The question on the poll is different than the one the article so don’t get tripped up :-)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20128570-503544/is-herman-cain-taking-scandal-from-bad-to-worse/


38 posted on 11/01/2011 1:32:48 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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39 posted on 11/01/2011 1:40:02 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

politico POLITICO
Draft Herman Cain PAC pleads for cash to help Herman Cain win ... Florida: http://politi.co/sy0Kxq
20 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/#!/POLITICO

politico POLITICO
Via @mkraju — GOP senators to dine with Herman Cain tonight: http://politi.co/vmN2OS
3 hours ago

politico POLITICO
RT @DMarkPOLITICO: .@dthornell: “It looks like Cain went to the Anthony Weiner School of Crisis Communications.” http://politi.co/sGjWbh
4 hours ago

politico POLITICO
MT @aburnspolitico: Herman Cain recalls a “couple of other” items in the sexual harassment complaint against him http://politi.co/vH9wFv
5 hours ago

politico POLITICO
Leading POLITICO: Herman Cain sexual harassment allegations: Damage-control marked by inconsistencies http://politi.co/uQki12
10 hours ago

politico POLITICO
Leading POLITICO this morning — Cain damage-control efforts marked by inconsistencies: http://politi.co/rpgYO7
10 hours ago

politico POLITICO
Leading POLITICO — Herman Cain’s conflicting accounts on inappropriate conduct allegations: http://politi.co/tSal5p
21 hours ago

politico POLITICO
MT @maggiepolitico: Cain, who earlier said he had no knowledge of settlements, remembers maybe 3 mos salary to 1 woman http://politi.co/t2xlzy
23 hours ago

politico POLITICO
Cain contradicts former National Restaurant Association HR chief on investigation: http://politi.co/tQOdpN
31 Oct

politico POLITICO
RT @POLITICO2012: In surreal moment at the end of Herman Cain’s appearance at the NPC, Cain agrees to sing a few bars

politico POLITICO
.@reidepstein has a longer look at Herman Cain’s Fox News interview and response this morning: http://politi.co/v6pKMT
31 Oct

politico POLITICO
Cain sidesteps question from ABC’s Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) asking him to address POLITICO’s Sunday night report: http://politi.co/u7gWWh
31 Oct

jmsummers Juana Summers
by politico
Cain’s comment at #AEICain that he’d take “all of the arrows later” has been his only allusion to harassment allegations in 30+ minutes.
31 Oct

politico POLITICO
Herman Cain adviser Mark Block denies harassment, hedges on settlement: http://politi.co/vjF0n8
31 Oct

jmsummers Juana Summers
by politico
Ten plus minutes in and @THEHermanCain has not mentioned Nat’nl Restaurant Association or allegations raised in @politico story. #AEICain
31 Oct

politico POLITICO
Concerned Women for America wants answers from Cain: http://politi.co/rIytD8
31 Oct

politico POLITICO
Herman Cain attacks POLITICO report — http://politi.co/rZJsTg
30 Oct

politico POLITICO
Exclusive: Two women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior — http://politi.co/rDrCLF
30 Oct

http://twitter.com/#!/POLITICO


40 posted on 11/01/2011 1:41:45 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: mdittmar

Cain is driving the MSM clowns crazy...he knows what how to do that!


41 posted on 11/01/2011 1:44:20 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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To: kcvl
Pollutico is flailing like a drowning man.
42 posted on 11/01/2011 1:44:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: PoloSec

Politico is still after him. Too bad they didn’t chase Clinton’s tail like this. They might not have had blue dress all over the faces if they had.

I think the MSM told us then it wasn’t any of our business what Clinton did in his ‘private life’ even though it was under the desk in the OVAL OFFICE!

******

National Restaurant Association decided against endorsing Herman Cain

The National Restaurant Association considered endorsing Herman Cain’s presidential campaign just weeks before POLITICO reported that two association employees accused him of sexual harassment when he served as the group’s CEO in the late 1990s.

But now, as the association deals with the fallout from the allegations against him, it’s trying to tamp down on discussion of Cain and his tenure.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67298.html#ixzz1cUKfcumN


43 posted on 11/01/2011 1:47:41 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: commish

“the plan was to pillory the Cain response”

Yeah, it’s the old “coverup worse than the crime” thing. Which makes sense when you lie about something, like, say, Holder did. Less so in Cain’s case, which doesn’t appear like lying to me, and hardly even as “inconsistency.” But dang near anything can be made to look like a coveruo, and it’s hard to tell how Cain could have avoided the charge, as the only real alternative would be to admit to a maximum of wrongdoing.


44 posted on 11/01/2011 1:54:15 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: 5thGenTexan

Just voted and it’s 55% yes to 31% no.
Don’t go there from the FR link. Copy the link and take off the FR redirect and go straight in or they will discount your votes.


45 posted on 11/01/2011 1:56:22 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Signalman

“when you obfuscate or try to cover up what happened, and then facts later come out that show you were being deceitful, you’re toast. Ask Dick Nixon.”

Be careful what you construe as obfuscation. I wouldn’t want in future for not telling us absolutely everything, right away, but also somehow after exhaustive research, with perfect forensic certitude to be considered lying. Especially as this standard will not apply to Democrats, and apply less strenuously to establishment Republicans.


46 posted on 11/01/2011 2:02:07 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: 5thGenTexan

Do you think the reported allegations against Herman Cain will have a long-term negative impact on his presidential campaign?

Yes
57%

No
31%

Don’t know/Too soon to tell
12%


47 posted on 11/01/2011 2:08:57 PM PDT by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~... leaning for Newt 2012..."Save a pretzel for the gas jets.")
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To: mdittmar

If Herman Cain is to be President, nothing will stand in the way of his nomination. That’s just how it is.


48 posted on 11/01/2011 2:14:01 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Signalman

“But when you obfuscate or try to cover up what happened, and then facts later come out that show you were being deceitful, you’re toast. Ask Dick Nixon.”

Oh, I should also say, it’s all well and good to say he should get his ducks in a row, and certainly there are better politicians than Cain, and better politicians would have done better in response. But I’m sick of getting mired down in discussions of what’s good politics. Dick Nixon, per your example, was also a master of side-stepping scandal. Cf. the Checkers speech. So what kind of standard is that to judge by?

Next time we look around and wonder why we’re stuck with a bunch of Romneys and McCains, we should remember this. Because judging candidates by how they respond to bait is sure to butress establishment types. There’s no way Romney is less gaffe-prone, or Obama baggage laden, than Cain. But we perceive them differently, because they’re slicker. I can go overboard reacting against it, because at bottom that’s politicians’ job: people pleasing. And we can’t change that without abandoning representative democracy.

Only I warn that by testing candidates according to how well they finesse potential scandals and when and how often they put their feet in their mouths, we’re bound to end up with at best Bill Clinton. Ewww.


49 posted on 11/01/2011 2:14:37 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: justsaynomore

I could’nt find the poll on that link...please help!


50 posted on 11/01/2011 3:09:33 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Paul Volcker is the reason I could afford to retire!)
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