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Lawsuit filed in Reno air race crash
AP via San Jose Mercury News ^ | November 1, 2011 | Ken Ritter

Posted on 11/01/2011 4:38:49 PM PDT by EveningStar

The family of a Texas man killed when a racing aircraft crashed into spectators in the National Championship Air Races in Reno filed a $25 million lawsuit Tuesday against the pilot's family, a mechanic on the World War II-era aircraft and the Nevada organization that hosted the event.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Nevada; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: accident; ambulancechasers; aviation; gallopingghost; jimmyleeward; lawsuit; leeches; reno; renoairraces
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1 posted on 11/01/2011 4:38:50 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

One would think that people from Texas would take responsibility for their own actions of getting too close to things going fast, not even supported by the ground against the evil force of gravity.


2 posted on 11/01/2011 4:41:43 PM PDT by Paladin2
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3 posted on 11/01/2011 4:41:54 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I guess you sue if anything bad happens to you, no matter what. A 95 year old rifle fired, without touching the trigger, when I knocked the bolt forward.(worn sear) Bruised my hand. I will sue the Austro-Hungarian Empire!/s


4 posted on 11/01/2011 4:45:48 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Paladin2

when people attend an event like this they have a reasonable expectation of not being killed


5 posted on 11/01/2011 4:45:59 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

“when people attend an event like this they have a reasonable expectation of not being killed”

Reasonable expectation means what? If you choose to sit on the airfield during an air race then ‘reasonable’ doesn’t mean a whole lot.


6 posted on 11/01/2011 4:53:11 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EveningStar

Yeah, that’s the answer. Sue the elderly pilot’s family. Right. That will go miles and miles toward returning your dead loved one to you. /s

I’m so sick of “the world owes me” mentality.


7 posted on 11/01/2011 4:53:15 PM PDT by WXRGina
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To: Paladin2

The family needs to be sued in return for being so stupid to go somewhere they might get killed or maimed.


8 posted on 11/01/2011 4:53:18 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: paul51
when people attend an event like this they have a reasonable expectation of not being killed

Yeah. John F. Kennedy would have agreed.

9 posted on 11/01/2011 4:54:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: paul51

...and, as most realize, a nonzero chance of being killed.


10 posted on 11/01/2011 4:54:46 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Was it reasonable to expect to be killed by those dam Germans at pearl harbor


11 posted on 11/01/2011 4:55:55 PM PDT by al baby (Is that old windbag still on the air ?)
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To: EveningStar

The planes that fly at Reno are a restricted category aren’t they? So can the mechanic be held liable?


12 posted on 11/01/2011 4:57:18 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: dynachrome

I built a firearm test fixture so I can be a bit aways for the first few firings of used firesticks. (Not that I’d buy any, but just in case.)


13 posted on 11/01/2011 4:58:36 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: EveningStar

Sue God!


14 posted on 11/01/2011 4:58:45 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: paul51
when people attend an event like this they have a reasonable expectation of not being killed

Same with a car. Yet, very few people died in the Reno air crash, and yet approximately 115 people die in CAR ACCIDENTS EVERY DAY (or about one every 13 minutes).

Children should not be raped in this country, yet 5 or 6 children die in this country from CHILD ABUSE, and "Approximately 683,000 forcible rapes (children and women) occur every year".

15 posted on 11/01/2011 4:59:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: EveningStar
Well, we all knew it was coming. Nothing that wasn't expected giving the environment we are now living in. If this persists there won't be air shows, car races, even things like downhill skiing might ultimately be banned. Go out into a national park and you could be killed by a bear or mountain lion. So do you get to sue the National Park Service (US taxpayer)?

Where does this all end?

Trial Lawyers and their Clients; Destroying America one lawsuit at a time. If I offended any trial lawyers- then sue me.
16 posted on 11/01/2011 4:59:40 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: dynachrome

That would be a bad time to have it pointing at the Archduke Ferdinand...


17 posted on 11/01/2011 5:00:42 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: paul51
"When Sheeple attend an event like this they have a reasonable expectation of not being killed."

There, fixed it.

18 posted on 11/01/2011 5:01:24 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: al baby
Was it reasonable to expect to be killed by those dam Germans at pearl harbor

Pearl Harbor.... isn't that were we sunk all our battleships to keep from tipping the island over?

19 posted on 11/01/2011 5:02:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: paul51
when people attend an event like this they have a reasonable expectation of not being killed
20 posted on 11/01/2011 5:04:12 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: paul51

Oops.

“yet 5 or 6 children die in this country from CHILD ABUSE...EVERY DAY”.

(sorry, brain and fingers are on two different channels at the moment)


21 posted on 11/01/2011 5:04:43 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: paul51
when people attend an event like this they have a reasonable expectation of not being killed

I got to airshows and I go to NHL games. Spectators have been killed at both, but I realize that my chance of coming home alive from the Blue Jackets game is 100 times better than from the Dayton International Air Show.

22 posted on 11/01/2011 5:05:09 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: ColdOne

I’ll try to find out.


23 posted on 11/01/2011 5:05:44 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Chode
when people attend an event like this they have a reasonable expectation of not being killed.

Whereas in NASCAR they go to see someone else get killed.

24 posted on 11/01/2011 5:06:48 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: EveningStar

People going to such events or to car races, oughta know that dying is part of the excitement of the show, and that it could happen to them.


25 posted on 11/01/2011 5:08:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: UCANSEE2
Whereas in NASCAR they go to see someone else get killed.

That's news to me. If you want to see athletes die in competition, go to high school football and basketball games.

26 posted on 11/01/2011 5:09:08 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81
but I realize that my chance of coming home alive from the Blue Jackets game is 100 times better than from the Dayton International Air Show.

Well, that may be because you don't stand on the field during the game.

27 posted on 11/01/2011 5:11:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Paladin2

Yeah, made me think about buying a lead sled. It’s the first one that really screwed up on me. I shoot modern ammo the first time out. If that goes well, I try the old surplus, if in good shape, I have.


28 posted on 11/01/2011 5:12:49 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Lx

“Archduke Ferdinand”

He’ll have to take his chances! LOL


29 posted on 11/01/2011 5:14:18 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: ColdOne

I just asked one of the Reno Air Race competitors. Answer: Probably yes.


30 posted on 11/01/2011 5:19:18 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: dynachrome

I locked my keys in my 93 Aerostar van the other day. I climbed on top of it with a coat hangar and some wedges stuck in the door when I lost my footing and fell to the ground and nearly broke my left femur when my leg hit the curb. My attorney thinks Ford should have included some type of safety pad that would pop out when the vehicle senses that it’s owner is about to fall off of the roof. We might settle for $50,000 if Ford agrees to put a big warning sticker on the side of their vehicles.


31 posted on 11/01/2011 5:24:04 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: EveningStar

Thank you for that info.


32 posted on 11/01/2011 5:24:47 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: UCANSEE2
Hockey is played on ice. And the single spectator fatality took place here in Columbus at a game between the Jackets and Calgary. A puck went into the stands and killed a 13 year old girl.

When I go to an airshow I don't sit on the runway, either.

Stuff happens.

33 posted on 11/01/2011 5:25:28 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: USMCPOP

yeah, that makes sense


34 posted on 11/01/2011 5:30:05 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: ColdOne
Can the mechanic be held liable?

It sounds like the modifications to this plane were pretty radical and probably not type-approved - more of a one-off. I can see how the mechanic and/or designer of the mods could end up sharing part of the liability for this. The total of all of the lawsuits could end up being quite large. Suing the pilot's family, however, is just low.

35 posted on 11/01/2011 5:44:38 PM PDT by Rio
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To: truthguy

Can you imagine how many lawyers have been camped in these people’s yard!


36 posted on 11/01/2011 5:46:37 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: EveningStar

That´s the early model 707 inverted, right? I saw some video of that a few weeks ago. One of the initial test runs, I think. WOW!!!


37 posted on 11/01/2011 5:47:24 PM PDT by onedoug (lf)
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To: EveningStar
This will cast a pall over all aviation events, I'm afraid.

Attorneys have no compunction about lying when there is a jackpot in the offing. They have no moral anchor, and no shame.

And, sadly, otherwise good people somehow believe that they are owed big money when an accident takes a relative.

This, my FRiends, is the true face of "greed".

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38 posted on 11/01/2011 5:50:37 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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Some of you might remember that two of my co-workers and their family were victims in the crash. Unfortunately they lost their mother, who was killed instantly. And though all the survivors lost limbs, they are in remarkably good spirits, and in fact my boss is back at work part time!

I’m convinced that the prayers of Freepers helped, and I want to thank you all for your prayers, and hope for your continued prayers for their recovery.

Thanks!

Mark


39 posted on 11/01/2011 6:02:12 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: driftdiver

You want safe? Watch it on TV. There’s been enough accident’s at air shows and races to qualify for fair warning.


40 posted on 11/01/2011 6:08:08 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: ColdOne

I had heard the pilot blacked out from exceeding 9 g’s?


41 posted on 11/01/2011 6:18:43 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Rio

While these unlimited racing planes are highly modified, the elevator trim tab that broke and caused the accident is common to all P-51’s, both modified and stock.


42 posted on 11/01/2011 6:28:29 PM PDT by CarryaBigStick (My office is an Air Tractor)
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To: Rio

Doubtful they are suing the Pilot’s family, rather they are suing the Pilot’s estate.

The FAA is very clear that the pilot is ultimately responsible for the safe operation of the aircraft, and is responsible for anything that falls from the plane in flight (this would also include the plane).

You can bet there is insurance coverage involved, and everyone with any involvement will be sued and have to prove they were not one of the parties responsible for the accident.

Every mechanic that touched the plane during and since the last annual inspection is usually sued in a big accident, and they have to pony up a lawyer to prove they weren’t responsible.


43 posted on 11/01/2011 6:38:02 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Seaplaner

This will cast a pall over all aviation events, I’m afraid.


Yes.

At least the ones in which elderly pilots drive elderly airplanes in races where winning and creating excitement for the spectators sitting under the path of the aircraft is more important than common sense.

I have posted earlier that the dozens of pilots killed, and dozen spectators killed in recent decades, for this small event, would be like 3000 annual NASCAR fatalities. (”Whee! It’s fun to see guys go fast!”)

It’s insane, and a friend whose father was a naval aviator decades ago participated in Reno, and said that it was irresponsible, and he would never go back.

Shut the sucker down until they can ensure that a failure on a vintage aircraft with an elderly pilot won’t wipe our innocent spectators.

This was friggin’ NASA Challenger disaster logic. (”It ain’t crashed before, so let’s keep lowering safety standards until we have a disaster - Duh!”)


44 posted on 11/01/2011 6:48:29 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: moehoward

There’s been enough accident’s at air shows and races to qualify for fair warning.


Where are there air races besides Reno?


45 posted on 11/01/2011 6:49:47 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Seaplaner
This will cast a pall over all aviation events, I'm afraid.

I don't think so. Ramstein in 1987 didn't do that.

Personally, I'd be happy to sign a waiver for me and my family at Dayton and any other airshows we attend.

46 posted on 11/01/2011 6:54:42 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Beelzebubba
Where are there air races besides Reno?

Detroit has them. I believe Long Beach does as well.

47 posted on 11/01/2011 6:56:00 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: dynachrome

You better watch that old surplus.

Some of it has been hauled around for many miles with terrain and vehicles that generate significant vibration. The powder can actually grind itself into something that burns much more rapidly that originally intended!

Furthermore, you have no idea of temperature extremes it has been subjected to over the years, which can cause many problems.

That being said, ammo stored to avoid temperature extremes, moisture and vibration will almost last forever.

It’s sort of like one of my secrets to getting 50 year old engines to run really hard.....DON’T PUT THEM TOGETHER WITH 50 YEAR OLD BOLTS!

Maybe a better analogy to ammunition would be....DON’T USE 50 YEAR OLD OIL (or gasoline) EITHER!


48 posted on 11/01/2011 7:55:22 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture....all should be preserved)
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To: paul51

Seriously!? Aircraft are flying within 1 mile performing tricks and/or high G maneuvers and they have a reasonable expectation of safety? Only if they are completely ignorant of physics and history. I grew up around Airshows and Air races. Fans die sometimes when these aircraft crash. It’s life.


49 posted on 11/01/2011 7:55:30 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: buccaneer81
Personally I am simply sick of the nanny state mentality that is pervasive.

Don't eat this food, it is bad for you.

Don't drink that drink, it might cause cancer.

Don't drive that vehicle, it might be unsafe.

Don't go to that air show because you might get hurt.

Screw all that. I am at the point where I am ready to demand the right to do things, even if they are dangerous, just to poke my finger in the eye of the nanny staters...and I am no risk-taker.

I saw this picture recently and it made me laugh:

This was apparently a video taken on some highway in Russia, these guys are tooling down the road on their trike playing rock music at high volume and high speed, and the people they pass think it is hilarious.

I laughed, then immediately realized: You could never do that in this country. You would be pulled over so quickly it would make your head spin.

No helmets.

No seatbelts.

Speeding.

Disturbing the peace.

Driving to endanger.

Probably vehicle not up to code.

And so on. When I thought of it, I suddenly realized, in some ways, they may have more freedom in Russia than we have here. And I can't tell you how galling that was to even entertain that thought. It was worse than the Russians or the Chinese telling us how to run our economy, and being right in their criticism.

I get the fact that these guys driving a vehicle out of code and distracting people could cause an accident and injure others or themselves. But the regulatory tentacles of our government are winding into the fabric of our very lives, telling us how much trans-fats we can eat, how much water we can flush, or how much electricity our lightbulbs can use.

And soon, what air races we won't be allowed to see. I am just sick of it.

50 posted on 11/01/2011 8:00:20 PM PDT by rlmorel (The Rats won't be satisfied until every industry in the USA is in ruins and ripe for nationalization)
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