Skip to comments.Lawsuit filed in Reno air race crash
Posted on 11/01/2011 4:38:49 PM PDT by EveningStar
The family of a Texas man killed when a racing aircraft crashed into spectators in the National Championship Air Races in Reno filed a $25 million lawsuit Tuesday against the pilot's family, a mechanic on the World War II-era aircraft and the Nevada organization that hosted the event.
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One would think that people from Texas would take responsibility for their own actions of getting too close to things going fast, not even supported by the ground against the evil force of gravity.
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I guess you sue if anything bad happens to you, no matter what. A 95 year old rifle fired, without touching the trigger, when I knocked the bolt forward.(worn sear) Bruised my hand. I will sue the Austro-Hungarian Empire!/s
when people attend an event like this they have a reasonable expectation of not being killed
“when people attend an event like this they have a reasonable expectation of not being killed”
Reasonable expectation means what? If you choose to sit on the airfield during an air race then ‘reasonable’ doesn’t mean a whole lot.
Yeah, that’s the answer. Sue the elderly pilot’s family. Right. That will go miles and miles toward returning your dead loved one to you. /s
I’m so sick of “the world owes me” mentality.
The family needs to be sued in return for being so stupid to go somewhere they might get killed or maimed.
Yeah. John F. Kennedy would have agreed.
...and, as most realize, a nonzero chance of being killed.
Was it reasonable to expect to be killed by those dam Germans at pearl harbor
The planes that fly at Reno are a restricted category aren’t they? So can the mechanic be held liable?
I built a firearm test fixture so I can be a bit aways for the first few firings of used firesticks. (Not that I’d buy any, but just in case.)
Same with a car. Yet, very few people died in the Reno air crash, and yet approximately 115 people die in CAR ACCIDENTS EVERY DAY (or about one every 13 minutes).
Children should not be raped in this country, yet 5 or 6 children die in this country from CHILD ABUSE, and "Approximately 683,000 forcible rapes (children and women) occur every year".
That would be a bad time to have it pointing at the Archduke Ferdinand...
There, fixed it.
Pearl Harbor.... isn't that were we sunk all our battleships to keep from tipping the island over?
“yet 5 or 6 children die in this country from CHILD ABUSE...EVERY DAY”.
(sorry, brain and fingers are on two different channels at the moment)
I got to airshows and I go to NHL games. Spectators have been killed at both, but I realize that my chance of coming home alive from the Blue Jackets game is 100 times better than from the Dayton International Air Show.
I’ll try to find out.
Whereas in NASCAR they go to see someone else get killed.
People going to such events or to car races, oughta know that dying is part of the excitement of the show, and that it could happen to them.
That's news to me. If you want to see athletes die in competition, go to high school football and basketball games.
Well, that may be because you don't stand on the field during the game.
Yeah, made me think about buying a lead sled. It’s the first one that really screwed up on me. I shoot modern ammo the first time out. If that goes well, I try the old surplus, if in good shape, I have.
He’ll have to take his chances! LOL
I just asked one of the Reno Air Race competitors. Answer: Probably yes.
I locked my keys in my 93 Aerostar van the other day. I climbed on top of it with a coat hangar and some wedges stuck in the door when I lost my footing and fell to the ground and nearly broke my left femur when my leg hit the curb. My attorney thinks Ford should have included some type of safety pad that would pop out when the vehicle senses that it’s owner is about to fall off of the roof. We might settle for $50,000 if Ford agrees to put a big warning sticker on the side of their vehicles.
Thank you for that info.
When I go to an airshow I don't sit on the runway, either.
yeah, that makes sense
It sounds like the modifications to this plane were pretty radical and probably not type-approved - more of a one-off. I can see how the mechanic and/or designer of the mods could end up sharing part of the liability for this. The total of all of the lawsuits could end up being quite large. Suing the pilot's family, however, is just low.
Can you imagine how many lawyers have been camped in these people’s yard!
That´s the early model 707 inverted, right? I saw some video of that a few weeks ago. One of the initial test runs, I think. WOW!!!
Attorneys have no compunction about lying when there is a jackpot in the offing. They have no moral anchor, and no shame.
And, sadly, otherwise good people somehow believe that they are owed big money when an accident takes a relative.
This, my FRiends, is the true face of "greed".
Some of you might remember that two of my co-workers and their family were victims in the crash. Unfortunately they lost their mother, who was killed instantly. And though all the survivors lost limbs, they are in remarkably good spirits, and in fact my boss is back at work part time!
I’m convinced that the prayers of Freepers helped, and I want to thank you all for your prayers, and hope for your continued prayers for their recovery.
You want safe? Watch it on TV. There’s been enough accident’s at air shows and races to qualify for fair warning.
I had heard the pilot blacked out from exceeding 9 g’s?
While these unlimited racing planes are highly modified, the elevator trim tab that broke and caused the accident is common to all P-51’s, both modified and stock.
Doubtful they are suing the Pilot’s family, rather they are suing the Pilot’s estate.
The FAA is very clear that the pilot is ultimately responsible for the safe operation of the aircraft, and is responsible for anything that falls from the plane in flight (this would also include the plane).
You can bet there is insurance coverage involved, and everyone with any involvement will be sued and have to prove they were not one of the parties responsible for the accident.
Every mechanic that touched the plane during and since the last annual inspection is usually sued in a big accident, and they have to pony up a lawyer to prove they weren’t responsible.
This will cast a pall over all aviation events, I’m afraid.
At least the ones in which elderly pilots drive elderly airplanes in races where winning and creating excitement for the spectators sitting under the path of the aircraft is more important than common sense.
I have posted earlier that the dozens of pilots killed, and dozen spectators killed in recent decades, for this small event, would be like 3000 annual NASCAR fatalities. (”Whee! It’s fun to see guys go fast!”)
It’s insane, and a friend whose father was a naval aviator decades ago participated in Reno, and said that it was irresponsible, and he would never go back.
Shut the sucker down until they can ensure that a failure on a vintage aircraft with an elderly pilot won’t wipe our innocent spectators.
This was friggin’ NASA Challenger disaster logic. (”It ain’t crashed before, so let’s keep lowering safety standards until we have a disaster - Duh!”)
Theres been enough accidents at air shows and races to qualify for fair warning.
I don't think so. Ramstein in 1987 didn't do that.
Personally, I'd be happy to sign a waiver for me and my family at Dayton and any other airshows we attend.
Detroit has them. I believe Long Beach does as well.
You better watch that old surplus.
Some of it has been hauled around for many miles with terrain and vehicles that generate significant vibration. The powder can actually grind itself into something that burns much more rapidly that originally intended!
Furthermore, you have no idea of temperature extremes it has been subjected to over the years, which can cause many problems.
That being said, ammo stored to avoid temperature extremes, moisture and vibration will almost last forever.
It’s sort of like one of my secrets to getting 50 year old engines to run really hard.....DON’T PUT THEM TOGETHER WITH 50 YEAR OLD BOLTS!
Maybe a better analogy to ammunition would be....DON’T USE 50 YEAR OLD OIL (or gasoline) EITHER!
Seriously!? Aircraft are flying within 1 mile performing tricks and/or high G maneuvers and they have a reasonable expectation of safety? Only if they are completely ignorant of physics and history. I grew up around Airshows and Air races. Fans die sometimes when these aircraft crash. It’s life.
Don't eat this food, it is bad for you.
Don't drink that drink, it might cause cancer.
Don't drive that vehicle, it might be unsafe.
Don't go to that air show because you might get hurt.
Screw all that. I am at the point where I am ready to demand the right to do things, even if they are dangerous, just to poke my finger in the eye of the nanny staters...and I am no risk-taker.
I saw this picture recently and it made me laugh:
This was apparently a video taken on some highway in Russia, these guys are tooling down the road on their trike playing rock music at high volume and high speed, and the people they pass think it is hilarious.
I laughed, then immediately realized: You could never do that in this country. You would be pulled over so quickly it would make your head spin.
Disturbing the peace.
Driving to endanger.
Probably vehicle not up to code.
And so on. When I thought of it, I suddenly realized, in some ways, they may have more freedom in Russia than we have here. And I can't tell you how galling that was to even entertain that thought. It was worse than the Russians or the Chinese telling us how to run our economy, and being right in their criticism.
I get the fact that these guys driving a vehicle out of code and distracting people could cause an accident and injure others or themselves. But the regulatory tentacles of our government are winding into the fabric of our very lives, telling us how much trans-fats we can eat, how much water we can flush, or how much electricity our lightbulbs can use.
And soon, what air races we won't be allowed to see. I am just sick of it.
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