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National test puts California students on bottom
Mercury News ^ | 11/1/11 | Sharon Noguchi

Posted on 11/01/2011 6:48:25 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

On the nation's report card, California schools have advanced from failing to -- failing a teensy bit less.

Despite posting minute gains this year, California students scored at nearly the bottom of the nation in reading and math, test results show. In reading, California performed worse than all other states and only outscored Washington, D.C. In math, state fourth-graders ranked above only D.C. and Mississippi; eighth-graders did a notch better, also outscoring Alabama.

The National Assessment of Education Progress is administered every other year to a sampling of students across the country. It is the only nationally standardized test for public schools. California students have typically performed poorly, both overall and in comparison to other children.

Education reformers reacted with dismay.

"Slow, incremental improvement is not enough for our kids," said Arun Ramanathan, executive director of the Education Trust-West, an Oakland-based advocacy group. Further, he said, "These results show just how far out of the mainstream, of the national education reform conversation, that California is right now."

Other large diverse states, like Texas, Florida and New York, performed better.

California schools Superintendent Tom Torlakson gave a more nuanced reaction. "Asked to do more with less, students, teachers, school employees and administrators have delivered. Imagine how much more they could accomplish," he said in a prepared statement, "with the resources they deserve."

For several years, California has steadily cut public education budgets and laid off teachers.

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Pure BS.

California, Socialist Utopia , Financial Maelstrom or just a lost cause?

same difference.. if California was a business, it would be shuttered.

Hard to blame it all on illegals.. educational institutions and unions including the CTA have been delinquent in meeting their obligations to society as a whole first by kowtowing to their leaders and leftist agenda.

1 posted on 11/01/2011 6:48:28 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Like the ‘RATS say, “As California goes, so goes the country”.


2 posted on 11/01/2011 6:52:21 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Throw more money at it!


3 posted on 11/01/2011 6:53:38 PM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: NormsRevenge
and laid off teachers. problem is, the wrong ones got laid off...
4 posted on 11/01/2011 6:54:46 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: NormsRevenge

the californicate is paying for decades of socialism and unions.

if i could change it, i would.

i cannot, so they can live with what they’ve created.


5 posted on 11/01/2011 6:55:23 PM PDT by ken21
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To: NormsRevenge
California schools Superintendent Tom Torlakson gave a more nuanced reaction.

"Nuance:" from the French: "Bullsh*t."

6 posted on 11/01/2011 6:56:26 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: NormsRevenge
California schools Superintendent Tom Torlakson gave a more nuanced reaction.

"Nuance:" from the French: "Bullsh*t."

7 posted on 11/01/2011 6:56:49 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

oops.


8 posted on 11/01/2011 6:57:29 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: NormsRevenge
What he said:
Imagine how much more they could accomplish," he said in a prepared statement, "with the resources they deserve."
What he really meant:
Imagine how much more they could accomplish," he said in a prepared statement, "with the resources they deserve all the money we can get."

9 posted on 11/01/2011 6:58:42 PM PDT by Bob
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To: NormsRevenge

Hard to dominate an educated populace.


10 posted on 11/01/2011 6:58:51 PM PDT by doc1019 (If Romney is our choice, I refuse to vote.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Look, I'm a teacher in Los Angeles and here is our problem:

Kids who don't speak English as a first language, and who have parents who don't have the slightest interest in education. I mean, they grow up without a book in the house. Not even a magazine! It's a culture that likes talking, laughing, gossiping, screwing around, telling jokes, playing soccer, watching novellas, listening to music, dancing, partying, eating, drinking, smoking pot, chilling out... anything but reading.

11 posted on 11/01/2011 7:01:18 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: NormsRevenge

When I was growing up in CA it was always in the top ten in education.


12 posted on 11/01/2011 7:03:32 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I can remember when California had a reputation for having among the best-educated students in the country, with an outstanding public school system.

It doesn’t take long for the veneer of civilization to wear off, if it’s not tended to continuously - Cali well on the way to the jungle.

If you can’t read this, thank your local teacher’s union.


13 posted on 11/01/2011 7:04:17 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: NormsRevenge

California kids have a bright future,......selling pot and other drugs, in porn, or Occupying Wall Street, (if they’re smart enough to wear a mask).


14 posted on 11/01/2011 7:06:08 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: NormsRevenge

It isn’t illegals. Many that I have worked with from CA. have no geography or history knowledge. They are decent with math. It is pathetic.


15 posted on 11/01/2011 7:07:38 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: NormsRevenge

The public school system is so self serving that it’s initial purpose of preparing the youth to become productive citizens has been lost .
Everything that has involved the unions has failed or is about to fail. Discipline, focus and respect no longer exists in the student population. So, you have a failed public school system that exists only to baby sit misbehaved adolescences, pay union due and retirement benefits.

It is time to go back to the single room school house with a chalk board.


16 posted on 11/01/2011 7:08:19 PM PDT by pterional
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To: eyedigress

You’re right, most illegals drop out of school. They have to work to help support their large families.


17 posted on 11/01/2011 7:11:57 PM PDT by 38special (For real...)
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To: pterional

That’s fine with me, as long as we’re allowed to kick out students who refuse to learn and are disruptive bullies. If I could just kick out the ones who are only there to cause problems, let me tell you, the whole world would change.


18 posted on 11/01/2011 7:14:58 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: NormsRevenge
California schools Superintendent Tom Torlakson gave a more nuanced reaction. "Asked to do more with less, students, teachers, school employees and administrators have delivered. Imagine how much more they could accomplish," he said in a prepared statement, "with the resources they deserve."

Even if we gave them all the money they want, which is impossible, CA public schools would STILL fail the students.

Because a) classrooms across the state are filled with barely literate kids from other countries, and b) the entire CA educational structure is designed to keep the gravy train of ever increasing salaries and generous benefits & pensions rolling along first, and educating the kids second.

19 posted on 11/01/2011 7:17:03 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Waiting for the annual replay of the "achievement gap" story. Same story every year. We need more money to close the achievement gap. Get a clue. It's isn't something that can be fixed. It is mostly genetic, partially cultural. No more money.
20 posted on 11/01/2011 7:37:21 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: NormsRevenge
California schools Superintendent Tom Torlakson gave a more nuanced reaction. "Asked to do more with less, students, teachers, school employees and administrators have delivered. Imagine how much more they could accomplish," he said in a prepared statement, "with the resources they deserve."

Typicial idiot 'Rat response.

We need to spend more money!
Waaaaaaah!

Who voted for this moron?

21 posted on 11/01/2011 7:42:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Myrddin

Which is why TX kicks their butts each and every year?

Sorry, it ain’t genetics, or culture. It’s liberalism, plain and simple.


22 posted on 11/01/2011 7:45:17 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi
Texas is #49 in verbal SAT scores in the nation (493), #46 in average math SAT scores (502) and is #36 in the nation in high school graduation rates (68%).

Better than CA for sure, but hardly anything to write home about.

23 posted on 11/01/2011 7:54:46 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

If you were to split texas into black, white and hispanic, each individual pool would be among the best. The reason that TX is rated so low is simply because of the demographics, not because of the quality of the teaching.

Also, when you factor in spending, TX does more with less.


24 posted on 11/01/2011 7:59:26 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: NormsRevenge

Diversity is our strength. Remember, support the DREAM Act and comprehensive immigration reform.


25 posted on 11/01/2011 8:01:00 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: BenKenobi

Isn’t saying its demographics the same as saying its genetics or culture?


26 posted on 11/01/2011 8:01:07 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: NormsRevenge

¿Por qué los niños de California tan estúpido?


27 posted on 11/01/2011 8:01:58 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999er for Cain.)
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To: skeeter

Not when black kids in TX are doing better than black kids in Wisconsin, same with hispanic kids and white kids.

If it were genetics and culture, you’d expect to see TX do as poorly as California, even after taking this into account. This we don’t see.


28 posted on 11/01/2011 8:07:01 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: NormsRevenge
Obviously, the test was biased. I'll bet there were no questions on sexual perversions, man-made global warming, or on America's subjugation of Europe in the 40’s.
29 posted on 11/01/2011 8:10:41 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: chesty_puller; Stosh

When I was growing up in E. Long Beach in the fifties the school teachers were so proud to tell us all, and often how we were blessed with the absolute best, #1 rated school system in the entire country. California’s school system was the best.

Toss aside any and all the rhetoric about this reason, that reason. There’s only one reason the school system, and the State have gone to Hell, and that is because of the Leftists, and apathy on the part of the citizens of the State.

This State was also once upon a time the fourth largest economy in the entire World. Wasn’t that long ago either.


30 posted on 11/01/2011 8:10:54 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: BenKenobi

I dont think we’re disagreeing. Obviously I agree that in a conservative system any demographic group will do better.


31 posted on 11/01/2011 8:11:27 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Just was clarifying. Iowahawk had a pretty good article on this phenomenon not so long ago.


32 posted on 11/01/2011 8:12:28 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Look, I'm a teacher in Los Angeles and here is our problem:

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34 posted on 11/01/2011 8:29:47 PM PDT by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: RedMDer

If the tests include only kids in public schools the results will keep getting worse. Around our neighborhood, most of the kids are going to private schools..because the public schools are not focused on learning for the upper half, but baby sitting the lower half.
More money won’t change what walks in the doors of the school every morning.


35 posted on 11/01/2011 8:36:57 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: NormsRevenge

Welcome to Mexifornia.


36 posted on 11/01/2011 9:10:57 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: NormsRevenge

As a native Californian, I can say the main two causes in the decline of California public education are liberalism/Marxist indoctrination and the massive invasion of illegals from Mexico over the last 25 years or so.

And let me be frank, the problem has to do with the illegal and anchor baby Mexicans and not other immigrants, because Asians, illegal or legal, always outperform all other groups, including the native born whites, and I know many Latinos who aren’t Mexican that did extremely well in school.

My best friend was a first generation legal immigrant from Guatemala who came to the United States when he was 7 and didn’t know any English and he graduated with a double major with honors at a UC and has an MBA from Carnegie-Mellon.


37 posted on 11/01/2011 9:13:27 PM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: BenKenobi

You excuse the poor results with “demographics”. It still boils down to the genetics underlying the demographics. You can fix that with more money.


38 posted on 11/01/2011 9:14:10 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Take the folks in WI and swap them with TX. They would do better in TX and WI, and would likely be the top in the nation.

Sure, the results could be better, but TX is doing very well. If it were genetics a good system wouldn’t show the improvement that it does here in TX.


39 posted on 11/01/2011 9:22:33 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: NormsRevenge
All the more reason to elect more Democrats to run our schools!

</sarcasm>

40 posted on 11/01/2011 11:22:07 PM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: Myrddin

Genetics has nothing to do with it. I knew a half dozen black engineers who came from Cameroon, Somalia, Nigeria, & etc. who did just fine in the USA. Very successful.

It had nothing to do with their genetics. All of these black people came to the USA with little English skills and went to school became engineers and are successful. They don’t carry the cultural baggage of US inner city blacks, ghetto blacks.

These immigrants only saw unlimited opportunity in America and applied themselves to take advantage of that opportunity. It is the ingrained victim mentality that makes many minorities think like victims, do nothing to improve themselves and otherwise refuse learning and doing other things “acting white”.

Has nothing to do with genetics.


41 posted on 11/02/2011 12:25:07 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be fooked.)
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To: NormsRevenge; All
"Asked to do more with less...

The "less" is only relative. It's because there was a mammoth spike in revenues during Arnold's term when the economy was roaring and so the education budget also spiked. Even in these "lean" times, the state education budget is well above inflation compared to the 1990s.

All they do is cry for money, money, money. That's not the answer. If it was the answer D.C. schools would not be dead last!

The corrupt unions have ensured greedy, unsustainable wages and benefits while guaranteeing deadweight, even dangerous, teachers persist on the payroll. Newt actually singled out Los Angeles Unified for special criticism at the College Board candidate forum last week.

42 posted on 11/02/2011 12:30:06 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelected Obama.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

I moved my kid to a new school here in Los Angeles this year.
You’re right, no amount of money is ever going to force Latino families to take an interest in their kid’s schooling.

I got the school’s report card yesterday, and it had an API of 953, but they only had 2% English learners.

My kid had great teachers at her old school, but the learning environment sucked. My kid is much happier at her new school.


43 posted on 11/02/2011 5:30:18 AM PDT by Haddit (Heartless)
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To: Haddit
Yeah. I can't speak for schools across the country, but I can say that of the schools I've worked in or visited here in L.A., the teachers are dedicated. They have to be, because no one teaches middle school for the fun of it. But certain cultures have certain values and education is by and large a white thing, and an Asian thing, and a Jewish thing. It is not really a black thing or Latino thing. I am sorry, but there it is.

Of course, there are individual students and families who are different from their cultural norm, who are focused on achievement. They tend to have excellent children who are a joy to work with. But most of them simply have a different set of priorities, and that is just that.

44 posted on 11/02/2011 5:47:44 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

-——But most of them simply have a different set of priorities, and that is just that-—

Translation: They are lazy, it’s a cultural thing


45 posted on 11/02/2011 5:50:40 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: bert
Some of them are lazy, yes. Some of them are working horrible, long hours, though, and it's not because of the "plight of the poor" in the U.S. ... it's because they are sending money back to Mexico to support a raft of non-working relatives. I've encountered this quite a few times now: this tendency in the Latino community for entire families to latch onto the one ambitious member and require that person to support them all. They guilt them into it. It's called "taking care of your family, man!" and it's awful.

I remember a teacher at my old school, a (legal) Mexican in his 60's, telling me he had to cut his family off years ago or his parents and brothers would all have climbed onto his back and rode him to the ground. "That's how Mexican culture is," he told me. He'd joined the Marines when he was young, met a woman in Japan and married her, and told his family to buzz off. He was completely estranged from them, because he was determined to be American.

He was a great guy... he's retired now. But anyway, he's not the only one. We have another Mexican teacher at my current school, and he takes care of his parents, two of his four siblings, they all live in his house and he's the only one who works full time. He never married (who'd want to marry into that situation?) and he just works and hands the money over to a pack of parasites.

And another situation I just learned of, one of my students is pretty much a neglected child because her parents work all these hours and are supporting all four grandparents back in Mexico.

It just blows me away, because white culture is just not like this! My parents are in their 60s and they would never, ever, ever expect any of their kids to neglect their own children and their own lives to send them money! My grandma lived to 93, and took care of herself till 92. She'd have never accepted money from anyone. Pride, you know?

46 posted on 11/02/2011 6:08:16 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
You're comparing cherry picked success vs group demographics. I work with many fine black engineers too. We're comparing GROUP characteristics not high end individuals selected from a group. It's a very different conversation. You can't fix the GROUP results by throwing money at the problem. There is both a genetic and a culture element. The very successful black engineers and teachers I've had the pleasure to know were individually bright and raised by parents who set very high standards of achievement.
47 posted on 11/02/2011 8:49:19 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: BenKenobi
If you cherry pick your candidates, you can get any result you want. If your results come from testing the whole of a given demographic, you'll get the group results. You might do a little better with a competent educational system, but the "achievement gaps" between the demographic groups aren't going anywhere.
48 posted on 11/02/2011 8:53:18 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

I’m in one of those ‘acheivement gaps’. And I was the top student in my high school. Sorry, I ain’t buying it.


49 posted on 11/02/2011 10:33:39 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi
So there was no achievement gap between demographics at your high school? Everyone performed the same and performed well?
50 posted on 11/02/2011 12:14:22 PM PDT by Myrddin
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