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Uh oh: Witness found to Cain incidents ?
Hot Air ^ | November 01, 2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 11/02/2011 10:58:43 AM PDT by RobinMasters

So far, neither of the two alleged complainants from Herman Cain’s tenure at the National Restaurant Association have come forward publicly, although it appears at least one would like NRA to release her from her confidentiality agreement to do so. However, a pollster who worked for NRA at the time told KTOK in Oklahoma that he witnessed both incidents — and that if the women talk, Cain’s candidacy would be over:

Interviewed today on KTOK’s Mullins in the Morning, [Chris] Wilson, of Wilson-Perkins-Allen Opinion Research headquartered in Washington, D.C. explained he was a witness to the incident. “I was the pollster at the National Restaurant Association when Herman Cain was head of it and I was around a couple of times when this happened and anyone who was involved with the NRA at the time, knew that this was gonna come up.”

Wilson described the woman as a low level staffer who was maybe two years out of college. “This occurred at a restaurant in Crystal City (Virginia) and everybody was aware of it,” he continued. “It was only a matter of time because so many people were aware of what took place, so many people were aware of her situation, the fact she left—everybody knew with the campaign that this would eventually come up.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; dramaqueens; herbcain; hightechlynching; highteclynching; romney; smear
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1 posted on 11/02/2011 10:58:45 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

Hotair can’t wait to bury Cain and exaggerate unsubstantiated claims with unnamed sources.


2 posted on 11/02/2011 10:59:44 AM PDT by chevydude26
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To: RobinMasters

This is close to my sending Cain some bucks.


3 posted on 11/02/2011 11:01:13 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: RobinMasters

It pains me to say this but I just don’t have a good feeling about where all this is going.

I would love to be wrong.


4 posted on 11/02/2011 11:01:40 AM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: chevydude26

Uhhh...Chris Wilson is not exactly an unnamed source.


5 posted on 11/02/2011 11:02:20 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: RobinMasters
If there is a witness there is no telling how much incentive this person will receive for his information. It wouldn't matter if he/she is a partisan, the money involved could not be ignored by the average person. Cain better be telling the truth or he will go down with the sound of an atomic blast.
6 posted on 11/02/2011 11:02:25 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: chevydude26

Next they’ll say that Cain’s too dumb to be president, because he sexually harassed a young staffer in a public restaurant, in front of a whole bunch of NRA workers.


7 posted on 11/02/2011 11:02:35 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: RobinMasters

Let’s see? Where does that billionaire bundler of shady Obama bucks live? Oh yes - Tulsa.


8 posted on 11/02/2011 11:03:51 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: RobinMasters
for legal reasons, he can not discuss details of the incident.

This is completely bogus. There's no legal reason this guy can't talk.

As per other thread, Wilson used to work for Rove, now works for Perry.

9 posted on 11/02/2011 11:04:44 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: chevydude26

Why? Conservative site.


10 posted on 11/02/2011 11:04:51 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: RobinMasters

I don’t know about the rest of you folks, but if I had this somewhere in my background, or any other negative incident, I would not even think of running for public office. It always comes out. Especially if you are a Republican. Keep those skeletons in your closet and find another interest besides politics.


11 posted on 11/02/2011 11:05:24 AM PDT by shortstop (It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful)
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To: freespirited

I felt the same at the beginning of the Thomas/Hill affair. At the end, it was clear that Anita Hill was a pathetic fraud being used for political purposes. And, beside, after Bill Clinton, sexual harassment ceased to be an issue. Let not your heart be troubled.


12 posted on 11/02/2011 11:05:50 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: M. Thatcher

Consultants often sign general non-disclosure statements that often are all encompassing. There’s no way to honestly say “there’s no legal reason this guy can’t talk”


13 posted on 11/02/2011 11:06:49 AM PDT by magritte
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To: Digger

I did yesterday.


14 posted on 11/02/2011 11:07:01 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem)
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To: RobinMasters
Did someone see him do the Lewinsky? Or is this just more rumors, innuendos with smoke and mirrors? Is politics really so corrupt now that they fear anyone who is not evil to the core? Because that is what this looks like to me.

These almost substantial charges trigger the dreaded...

15 posted on 11/02/2011 11:07:28 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: RobinMasters

link from the article:

Former President of National Restaurant Association has Ties to the Mitt Romney Campaign

0diggsdiggBased on a suggestion from a local blogger to look into political donors on the Board of Directors of the National Restaurant Association for potential ties to presidential campaigns, I have attempted to identify anyone privy to inside information about the National Restaurant Association who also has recent ties to any presidential campaign.

According to the October 2011 FEC report for ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT INC. a gentlemen named Steven C. Anderson gave $1,000.00 on July 14, 2011. FEC search function here.

Steven C. Anderson is the same gentlemen who took over the helm as Chief Executive Officer at the National Restaurant Association (after a brief intermission) upon Herman Cain’s departure in 1999. As CEO it is highly likely he would have been privy to details of litigation and threats about litigation from the immediately previous tenure of Herman Cain.

There is little more than a coincidence between the support for Mitt Romney and the likelihood that Mr. Anderson knows the background of the sexual harassment threats. Nonetheless, watchers of this scandal endlessly pontificate about whether President Obama or a rival campaign is the driving force behind the bombshell story that appeared in the Politico on Sunday.

Reporters should follow-up with Mr. Anderson to discern his knowledge. At the least he likely knows the short list of people with inside knowledge about the sexual harassment allegations.

~23:15 11/1/11 UPDATE: Apparently as this post has taken on a life of its own I need to clarify a few things.

1. This truly is the exact same Steven C. Anderson at the same address that gave donations while at the National Restaurant Association in the early 2000’s.

2. I have purposefully not listed his address, and made it slightly difficult to find. There is an error in the FEC database that leads to a mistaken link for those who dig deeper. Rest assured he made the donation.

3. He may not be the source. If he is not, then he likely knows the short list of people who could have been the source.

Lastly, do not forget to follow @ppradoslaw on Twitter as I broadcast to thousands of conservatives libertarians, and a handful of patient moderates, democrats, and progressives.


16 posted on 11/02/2011 11:08:28 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: chevydude26
They were all out to destroy Palin now they target Cain—what are they, big Mittbotts?
No wonder Milchele Malkin washed her hands of these RINO tools.

This is a nothing story kept alive by innuendo from far Left political hacks and lies from anonymous partisan sources and yet so-called “conservatives” run with the liberal talking points like they were their own.

Can Romney be THAT powerful?

17 posted on 11/02/2011 11:08:57 AM PDT by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: RobinMasters

Romney damage control. Trying to point finger at Perry staff.

O’Reilly said that if a repub did this they are finished. So Myth and Perrito are running hard on this thing.


18 posted on 11/02/2011 11:09:13 AM PDT by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: RobinMasters

At this point I’m wondering if we’re all better off hearing from the women - a non-sexual gesture that made her uncomfortable???? I hate this PC crap. Probably if it actually comes out it will all be much ado about nothing.

Unless he dropped his pants in front of her and told her to kiss it ( or do her with a cigar), or if he didn’t father a love child, or he didn’t leave her to drown in a car, I don’t see how this should impact his campaign.


19 posted on 11/02/2011 11:09:32 AM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: RobinMasters

This whole story reminds me of my dog (dog = media).

Every morning, 6:00 AM, she gets up at the first sound of movement in the house. She pesters the first able body without pause. Runs in circles, runs to the hall, runs back trying desperately to get the able body downstairs. She works herself into a panting frenzy in short sprints between the closest person and her dog dish. Her entire world, every morning, for a time, revolves around one of us pouring 1.5 cups of dry dog food into a bowl. She scarfs it down in 34 seconds. She then saunters upstairs to go back to sleep.

Really? All that and your going back to bed?

That will be how this story ends. “Well, that was fun.”


20 posted on 11/02/2011 11:12:33 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: RobinMasters

Herman is in an impossible situation—there’s no way to prove a negative.


21 posted on 11/02/2011 11:13:49 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Go, Herman!)
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To: Aria

Well, we can always get Nina Burleigh to tell us what qualifies as sexual harassment..


22 posted on 11/02/2011 11:18:25 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: freespirited
It pains me to say this but I just don’t have a good feeling about where all this is going. I would love to be wrong.

If you're that dim and easily-manipulated, you deserve four more years of Ubama.

23 posted on 11/02/2011 11:18:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.)
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To: freespirited

“It pains me to say this but I just don’t have a good feeling about where all this is going.”

Romney did the EXACT same thing to Fred Thompson in 2008 with his hatchet website and spreading the lie that Thompson was pro-abortion.

It killed Thompson just as his funding was getting going and he collapsed immediately.

Romney is repeating his old trick.

Appears to be working on you.


24 posted on 11/02/2011 11:23:13 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: RobinMasters
Any attack on Cain should be met with a loud reply of: "That's racist!"

The Left does it when anything is said about Obama. So should we.

25 posted on 11/02/2011 11:23:18 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: Aria

And why would you believe anything these women say?
Did you believe the stripper in the Duke case?
Why would these women come forth 12 years later if not for someone bankrolling their lies?

Rush said today that one of the women’s lawyers no longer even has the agreement on file. Nor did the lawyer remember who the complaint was against (Cain). Nor did he remember any meetings with the restaurant association.

There was just a decision by the Obama administration that they do not have to release documents based on Freedom of Information inquiries. I think Cain should do the same thing.


26 posted on 11/02/2011 11:25:36 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: proud American in Canada
Herman is in an impossible situation—there’s no way to prove a negative.

In this case, there might be.

The latest claim is that it occurred in a public restaurant. Wilson claims to have witnessed it.

All it will require is for other people at the same meeting to rebut his statement. The way that everyone is being so vague about what happened, I suspect that it will turn out it's something like an off-color joke.

If it is something that has been blown out of proportion, Cain is not only in the clear -- he will get some benefit out of this. Aside from a few shrill women's organization, everyone is sick of bogus sexual harassment claims.

To be clear, I believe that sexual harassment is using a position of power to either force someone into a relationship they don't want, or to penalize them if they don't comply. But, I'm tired of people getting settlements because they claim they were "uncomfortable". I find myself feeling "uncomfortable" on the job on nearly a weekly basis, but I don't use it as an excuse to get a big bonus.

27 posted on 11/02/2011 11:27:40 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: RobinMasters

If there is any truth to any of this, the act will have to be quite horrible for Cain to be disqualified. We had a president who, in the Oval Office no less, pulled his pants down and inserted his erect penis into the mouth of a 21-year-old girl. This country gave him a pass. The bar has been set pretty high.


28 posted on 11/02/2011 11:33:18 AM PDT by kevao
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To: M. Thatcher

“As per other thread, Wilson used to work for Rove, now works for Perry.”

Any links for that?


29 posted on 11/02/2011 11:34:58 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: proud American in Canada

I suspect the initial report was a trap. The women couldn’t say anything because they were bound by the non-disclosure agreement. The trap was to see if Cain could be drawn into violating the non-disclosure agreement himself, which would then free the women to do so.

I suspect a more seasoned campaign would have seen the initial story for what it was, and directed Cain to make a bland “personnel matters at the NRA are confidential” type statement. The story might have smoldered, but with no one going on the record, might have died.

National politics is a blood sport, as Vince Foster famously observed in his “suicide” note.

This doesn’t mean Cain is screwed; if the women do go one the record, and they’re seen as Anita Hill type political harpies, this could actually help him. I like Cain, but his “outsider” status could be very much a two-edged sword.

My post is pure speculation and opinion. YMMV.


30 posted on 11/02/2011 11:40:07 AM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: Digger

you mean?

you are,

or are not

sending money to cain?

we sent money to cain.


31 posted on 11/02/2011 11:40:25 AM PDT by ken21
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To: RobinMasters

and as we all know, a pollster, would never, ever lie!
/SARC sarc sarc sarc sarc sarc SARC SARC sarc sarc sarc sarc sarc sarc......


32 posted on 11/02/2011 11:41:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Beagle8U
Any links for that?

Below is the thread I was referencing; the Rove connection is noted in the beginning - the Perry connection is shown later in the thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2801469/posts

33 posted on 11/02/2011 11:52:29 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: RobinMasters

Wilson described the woman as a low level staffer who was maybe two years out of college. “This occurred at a restaurant in Crystal City....

This would make a lot more sense if it said Crystal City Restaurant.


34 posted on 11/02/2011 11:59:14 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: RobinMasters

“This occurred at a restaurant in Crystal City (Virginia) and everybody was aware of it,” he continued.”

So what did this “witness” see?


35 posted on 11/02/2011 11:59:31 AM PDT by Hacklehead (The goal of political correctness is to hide the truth.)
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To: kevao

A 21 year old paid intern who was hired over a woman with far more experience, but wasn’t as attractive.


36 posted on 11/02/2011 12:07:15 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: A'elian' nation

I’m not saying I’d believe them - but at least we knew the Duke case involved a stripper. I’m thinking once these women show their faces they’ll be shown to be the losers they must be. Right now they benefit from anonymonity - the left gets to imply the worst.

I cannot imagine that Cain did anything significant. There is such a thing as sexual harassment - involving a demand for sex for favorable job treatment - NOT saying someone looks nice or they have nice perfume. As I said before - this is disgusting. Lawyers and feminists have turned many of our men into sniveling shadows. And I’m a woman who doesn’t like this one bit.


37 posted on 11/02/2011 12:07:44 PM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: M. Thatcher
I read every word of the posted article, never saw Perry mentioned anywhere? It didn't mention Rove either.
38 posted on 11/02/2011 12:14:25 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: shortstop

Or get a copy of “Life Eraser” as currently in use by the Occupant and wildly supported by the MSM.


39 posted on 11/02/2011 12:18:49 PM PDT by mcshot (Neither handsome nor handy but took an oath and will vote to save our Country.)
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To: RobinMasters

if a guy can’t tell a gal that she’s got a sweet rack, how’s he gonna get anywhere these days... sheesh...

/sarc

all men are pigs.

and some pigs are more equal than others.

t


40 posted on 11/02/2011 12:21:18 PM PDT by teeman8r (armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: A'elian' nation

“Why would these women come forth 12 years later if not for someone bankrolling their lies?”

More to the point (for me), this sort of thing doesn’t happen just once, just as pedophiles don’t have just one nasty photo on their computers. If this were a sign of Cain’s character, they’d be coming out of the woodwork and piling on. I smell a big, fat, nasty Rat.

Colonel, USAFR


41 posted on 11/02/2011 12:23:07 PM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: RobinMasters

If true ....and its a big IF ...how do politicians put themselves out there knowing this stuff is coming? .....I always thought that the sexual history of Clinton showed incredible corruption as he was a top politician operating with tons of baggage ,,,,the only way someone can do that is to intimidate people into silence


42 posted on 11/02/2011 12:26:54 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: woofie

,,the only way someone can do that is to intimidate people into silence...


Interesting line. Wonder how often that happens when the CEO gets a little off-color or handsy...take this money and go away and we won’t speak of it again...


43 posted on 11/02/2011 12:30:57 PM PDT by magritte
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To: RobinMasters
Funny thing is Wilson has a office in Austin, Texas and works for the snake Perry. No slander intended to honest snakes.
44 posted on 11/02/2011 12:35:43 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Fred

But wilson works for and has been writing supporting perry, so trying to run for the tall grass and trying to blame willard is not going to help the perry crowd.


45 posted on 11/02/2011 12:39:27 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Fred

But wilson works for and has been writing supporting perry, so trying to run for the tall grass and trying to blame willard is not going to help the perry crowd.


46 posted on 11/02/2011 12:40:04 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Hacklehead

Saw perry losing and his meal ticket going away. That is what the perry employee saw.


47 posted on 11/02/2011 12:43:36 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: American in Israel
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48 posted on 11/02/2011 12:48:37 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: shortstop

“If I had this somewhere in my background, I would not even think of running for public office.”

What about The Swimmer and Der Sleek...murderer, rapist and philanderers, both of whom stayed in the public eye and politics.

Maybe add “If you are a Black Conservative” :-)


49 posted on 11/02/2011 1:00:55 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (I'll take a Godfathers pizza with the works!)
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To: justlurking
All it will require is for other people at the same meeting to rebut his statement. The way that everyone is being so vague about what happened, I suspect that it will turn out it's something like an off-color joke.

Well, that's a good point.

And yes, I feel uncomfortable sometimes at work; I work at a family business and when my two bosses, husband and wife, are having an argument, I feel uncomfortable. But I don't sue. :)

50 posted on 11/02/2011 1:33:48 PM PDT by proud American in Canada (Go, Herman!)
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