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Senators Propose Changes to Help Rescue the USPS (Senators say it's not a bailout)
ABC News ^ | November 2, 2011 | Sunlen Miller

Posted on 11/02/2011 3:13:12 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

Stressing that the United States Postal Service will run out of money to deliver mail by next summer, a bipartisan group of senators unveiled a proposal to help rescue the postal service.

“We are not crying wolf here,” Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, said today. “The postal service literally will not survive unless comprehensive, legislative and administrative reforms are undertaken.”

Along with Collins, Sens. Tom Carper, D-Del., Scott Brown, R-Mass., and Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., revealed their plan, actually a melding of two plans, today at a news conference. It calls for a fundamental restructuring of the postal service, including cost-saving changes that will affect individual and business mailers and USPS employees.

“Too many people rely on the federal postal service for us to sit back and allow it to collapse,” Lieberman said.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: lieberman; postal; postoffice; usps
Liebermann says:

“This is money they are owed. It is not a bailout."

I think he's right. People want the USPS run like a private business. Removing a burden, placed by Congress, that private businesses do not not have to carry is not a "bailout".

1 posted on 11/02/2011 3:13:17 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The Gang of Three here are NOT eliminating to the door delivery. Their rich friends in the Hamptons will continue having postal trucks run up to the man house at the compound every day!


2 posted on 11/02/2011 3:18:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Why dont they just put it back as a cabinet-level position, get rid of the unions, and put a military guy in charge of it and run it like an actual service?


3 posted on 11/02/2011 3:20:04 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The reality is that it will be impossible for the USPS to turn a profit in today’s day and age. The people that rely on it most, those in rural areas, cannot be served by Fed Ex or some private company at rates they can afford. Nor can those companies serve those areas without charging high prices.

The postal service already can’t deliver things economically at the prices they are charging due to overhead. Even cutting it sharply (layoffs, closing sites, etc) doesn’t get you there.

The question that people will have to ask is whether they want a national postal system that serves everyone at a loss, or we do close up shop. In closing up shop, you put a lot of folks out of touch.


4 posted on 11/02/2011 3:20:10 PM PDT by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Shutting down radio, tv, and the internet will no doubt improve the post office’s bottom line.


5 posted on 11/02/2011 3:22:13 PM PDT by ryderann
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

every government union is abusive.

privatize the usps.


6 posted on 11/02/2011 3:24:51 PM PDT by ken21
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Bullsh#t. The Postal Service is PACKED with un-needed and un-productive "help", has Union-related costs up the wazzoo (benefits and Retirement Plan), and is another fleecing of Taxpayers in a bailout to buy the Union money-laundering to the DNC plus votes.

"Bi-Partisan" (without even looking) ALWAYS includes Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, with an assorted wimpy Republican-in-name-only going along with them and being labeled "Moderate" by the State-Run-Media.

If the postal service can't function as a private enterprise, let OTHERS take it over "Privatize", and you'll see the efficiency skyrocket.

7 posted on 11/02/2011 3:25:30 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The postal service literally will not survive unless comprehensive, legislative and administrative reforms are undertaken.”

Senator Collins, first you must answer WHY the USPS SHOULD survive.

It is an expensive and now unnecessary historical anachronism. It is going bust because it offers a service that no one needs any longer.

Physical mail, to the extent it remains, can be handled by private carriers, as can all shipping.

That is all.

You are trying to preserve the horse-and-buggy after the automobile became mass-produced.

8 posted on 11/02/2011 3:26:42 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Cut personnel and staff 50% in the states of Maine (Collins), Massachusetts (Brown) and Connecticut (Liebermann).

Let's see how the three states do and take a metric from that experiment.

9 posted on 11/02/2011 3:27:14 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

That be 50% reduction in personnel and USPS sites.


10 posted on 11/02/2011 3:27:58 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: ken21

But it’s the Teamsters at UPS, not the USPS unions, that have been out on strike in the past few decades.


11 posted on 11/02/2011 3:28:30 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: traditional1
If the postal service can't function as a private enterprise, let OTHERS take it over "Privatize", and you'll see the efficiency skyrocket.

The USPS can't survive as a public or private enterprise as long as Congress continues to require they prefund retiree benefits long into the future. No other business in the country operates under that burden. Remove it, and the prospects are much brighter for the USPS. This postal crisis is an artificial Congressionally created crisis.

12 posted on 11/02/2011 3:34:03 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

They ought to lay-off half of all post-office employees, at every level, and go to every-other-day delivery ... half the customers get Monday-Wednesday-Friday delivery, the other half gets Tuesday-Thursday-Saturday.

Expenses are cut nearly in half, and the existing vehicle stock lasts twice as long.

Anyone who thinks they can’t get by without daily delivery can pay for it.


13 posted on 11/02/2011 3:34:21 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"No other business in the country operates under that burden. Remove it, and the prospects are much brighter for the USPS"Yes; that's an Agreement that was a cave-in to the Postal Workers' Union......just like so many other bailouts that Taxpayers get stuck with nowadays.
14 posted on 11/02/2011 3:37:21 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

If a “rescue” saves the USPS pensions from getting a needed haircut, it’s a bad move.


16 posted on 11/02/2011 3:39:11 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
My prescription for long-term solvency:
1. Sell excess facilities
2. Bust the union
3. Reduce excessive pension costs
4. 3-day-per-week mail delivery (MWF, TTS) (thus eliminating 50% of the carriers)
5. Eliminate ludicrously inefficient walking routes (mandate curbside mailbox gangs), thus eliminating more carriers by enabling many to deliver more mail (maybe the USPS hasn't noticed, but the automobile was invented about 110 years after the Postal Service's founding, and now they even make funny little trucks!)

I'd offer my services as Postmaster General, but I'm busy running my own business with increasing efficiency; besides, I vowed forty years ago never again to work for a government.

17 posted on 11/02/2011 3:43:42 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
This postal crisis is an artificial Congressionally created crisis.

Name another kind of financial crisis that isn't. Can't wait till they take a crack at running healthcare if they can't even deliver a friggin letter.

18 posted on 11/02/2011 3:51:40 PM PDT by JrsyJack (a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Absolutely N O T H I N G passes through my mail box that is "required".
Now I know I am the exception, so someone "enlighten me", please.
19 posted on 11/02/2011 3:52:05 PM PDT by bksanders
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The US Postal service is one of the very few things funded by congress that has a constitutional basis and for which congress has constitutional authority.

The Constitution and the Post Office

In June 1788, the ninth state ratified the Constitution, which gave Congress the power “To establish Post Offices and post Roads” in Article I, Section 8. A year later, the Act of September 22, 1789 (1 Stat. 70), continued the Post Office and made the Postmaster General subject to the direction of the President. Four days later, President Washington appointed Samuel Osgood as the first Postmaster General under the Constitution. A population of almost four million was served by 75 Post Offices and about 2,400 miles of post roads.

The Post Office received two one-year extensions by the Acts of August 4, 1790 (1 Stat. 178), and March 3, 1791 (1 Stat. 218). The Act of February 20, 1792 (1 Stat. 232), continued the Post Office for another two years and formally admitted newspapers to the mails, gave Congress the power to establish post routes, and prohibited postal officials from opening letters. Later legislation enlarged the duties of the Post Office, strengthened and unified its organization, and provided rules for its development. The Act of May 8, 1794 (1 Stat. 354), continued the Post Office indefinitely.

The Post Office moved from Philadelphia in 1800 when Washington, D.C., became the seat of government.


20 posted on 11/02/2011 3:53:09 PM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

One minor step they could take is to raise the rates on junk mail.

Dealing with the union and with gross inefficiencies in some of the larger POs is more important, but also more difficult.


21 posted on 11/02/2011 3:55:31 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
No one owes the post office jack. Except several of the people working for them that suckered them on million dollar home sales. Now close down the bulk mail centers and start firing people.
22 posted on 11/02/2011 3:58:19 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: SideoutFred
four years ago I worked the Postal Christmas mail in Dallas. Anyone that thinks the psotal service is not trying to get better is very removed from reality. I can tell you this we moved ten thousand packages for service people in less than 5 working days. Those packages got to service men and women because dozens not hundreds of part time people filled a void.

I was asked to take a part time postion and thought it would be cool - I can say without doubt the hardest day of work in my life was not as difficult as the easiest day sorting and delivering first class mail.

Finally one of the only roles assigned to the Federal government in our constitution is postal service and their roads.

23 posted on 11/02/2011 3:59:34 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: Iron Munro
The Internet superhighway meets all of these requirements.
24 posted on 11/02/2011 4:02:48 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
It's all Apple's fault the Post critters don't have money!!! If they'd shipped the new I-Phones by mail the USPS would ahead of the game and not in the red!!!
25 posted on 11/02/2011 4:18:13 PM PDT by LooneyTick (Of all the things in life I've lost, I miss my mind the most!)
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To: SideoutFred

Just as an aside, I live in a rural area and use a PO Box number for my mail. My wife ordered a package from a rural town in Kentucky. When we got the tracking information, the USPS had transferred the package to Fed Ex in Kentucky, and they delivered the package to my rural Post Office in Texas. Fed Ex must be cheaper than the USPS. Is Fed Ex union?


26 posted on 11/02/2011 4:21:54 PM PDT by lagrange point1 (Space is no longer the final frontier)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Along with Collins, Sens. Tom Carper, D-Del., Scott Brown, R-Mass., and Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.

This is NOT a bipartisan group. The letters behind the names are merely a fiction to play games with the electorate.

27 posted on 11/02/2011 4:24:39 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Ben Franklin, What a guy.
The US needs a postal system
The Founding Fathers thought it essential.
The military is not assumed to be self supporting.
Rightly so.
Add to the military, now scores, if not hundreds of useless entities bleeding the US treasury.
Why should the postal branch be the only self supporting Constituionally mandated service?


28 posted on 11/02/2011 4:32:52 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Cicero
One minor step they could take is to raise the rates on junk mail.

THE POST OFFICE EXISTS TO DELIVER JUNK MAIL!

And the crap is heavily subsidized by your overpriced 1st class stamps.

29 posted on 11/02/2011 4:37:07 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: lagrange point1
Is Fed Ex union?

No, UPS are the Republican-killing teamster thugs.

30 posted on 11/02/2011 4:39:20 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: org.whodat
The Internet superhighway meets all of these requirements.

Unless you actually want to send or receive a physical object.


31 posted on 11/02/2011 4:44:47 PM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

We all benefit from the post office, everyone. It’s specified in the Constitution. Who said the post office had to pay for itself as a government agency (and it is no matter the technicality)? No other government agency has to “pay” for itself. Take the money from the department of education to pay for the post office. At least we get something from USPS. All we get from DOE is negative returns over the decades, going from first place to last in the world.


32 posted on 11/02/2011 5:01:28 PM PDT by rebooted
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Don't bail out the USPS. Repeal the Private Express statutes, and let the market take its course.

If someone wants to live in East Overshoe, Nebraska, at the end of a long lane, that's his business. But I shouldn't have to subsidize his letter and package delivery.

33 posted on 11/02/2011 5:02:09 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: Iron Munro
Has fed x gone out of business.
34 posted on 11/02/2011 5:10:05 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

let the USPO go bankrupt and then reorganize without the union.


35 posted on 11/02/2011 5:13:48 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

let the USPO go bankrupt and then reorganize without the union.


36 posted on 11/02/2011 5:14:44 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: q_an_a

Thanks for pointing that out. The mail doesn’t sprout wings and move on its own. there’s a lot of grunt work involved getting the job done under time pressures. My postal worker brother was given the task of breaking in a new female employee on her first night on the job. After a couple of hours he didn’t see her around. Turns out she quit the job. Apparently she too was under the faulty impression that postal work is easy work.


37 posted on 11/02/2011 6:15:54 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: q_an_a

And I wasn’t implying that you personally were under the faulty impression. I was just thinking about all the critics and think-tank experts who have no idea of the USPS beyond some bad stories about sorry window clerks. :)


38 posted on 11/02/2011 6:19:15 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: org.whodat
Has fed x gone out of business.

Not really cost effective for something like a personal letter or small package.


39 posted on 11/02/2011 8:12:32 PM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: VanDeKoik
I agree, but my fix was even simpler::

Dump the unions!!!


40 posted on 11/02/2011 8:17:35 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Iron Munro
A personal letter, what in the world is that, I have not seen one since, 1971. Sort of like a buggy whip.
41 posted on 11/02/2011 9:17:07 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Iron Munro
Not really cost effective for something like a personal letter or small package.

Or zillions of tons of worthless junk mail.

42 posted on 11/03/2011 4:09:08 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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