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Cain
NRO ^ | Nov. 1, 2011 | Andrew McCarthy

Posted on 11/02/2011 7:05:00 PM PDT by fightinJAG

[snip] I can’t understand why our side is giving the Politico/Cain story any sunlight.

I’m not a Cain guy. There is a lot to like about him, and I could easily see myself voting for him against President Obama — which is the same thing I say about several of the GOP candidates, none of whom has won me over yet. But this sorry Politico episode seems to me to have little to do with Cain and everything to do with how content we are to live in the Left’s world.

This controversy is the perfect storm of (a) media hypocrisy: given the bar set by Clinton/Edwards/Ted Kennedy/et al., the worst possible case of what Cain is accused of — if you draw every conceivable negative inference against him — doesn’t come close to being a story, yet the lefty media energetically dig into Cain after having buried the exponentially worse Democrat scandals; (b) the special bull’s-eye fitted on black conservatives: their example of self-reliance and independent thinking makes them such a threat to the “social justice” narrative that, when it comes to destroying them, anything goes; (c) sexual harassment: a social-engineering caprice the arbitrary standards of which can turn routine — not admirable, often unsavory, but entirely unremarkable — human behavior into legal ruin; and (d) the litigious nanny state: with human life hyper-regulated and legal fees hyper-expensive, ordinary human behavior becomes grist for extortionate lawsuits that parties settle on the cheap because the cost of fighting is prohibitive — and later, these parties end up sounding like jackasses if asked about the suits, at least in part because, if you say something strong in your defense, you risk violating the standard reciprocal confidentiality provision and thus reopening the whole expensive, embarrassing business.

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1 posted on 11/02/2011 7:05:04 PM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG

It really makes you wonder. By all accounts he is an extremely decent productive human being. He is transmogrified into a grasping sex fiend. Verifiable, documented grasping sex fiends are transmogrified into senior statesmen.

Our “reality” is obviously being manipulated. And if you dare to admit this is happening you are a black helicopter conspiracy theorist.


2 posted on 11/02/2011 7:09:05 PM PDT by DManA
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To: fightinJAG

The leftists are the right hand of El Diablo. What they are doing to Herman Cain borders on the criminal of personal harrassment.
Herman Cain will prevail and his enemies will be put to shame.


3 posted on 11/02/2011 7:09:47 PM PDT by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: fightinJAG

If the worst accusation is 100% true:

Cain: Wow, you are cute! Wanna come back to my room?
Woman: NO
Cain: OK


4 posted on 11/02/2011 7:10:53 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: DManA

But I have seen black helicopters.......


5 posted on 11/02/2011 7:13:01 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: fightinJAG

I could not agree with you more.

I, for one, absolutely refuse to be lead around like cattle any ****ing longer.

I am not even watching media any longer, and Sean Hannity is about to get the X too. Tired of hearing about it, tired of hearing morons talk about it.

It doesn’t matter at all.


6 posted on 11/02/2011 7:14:17 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: fightinJAG

Where are those Media Matters voices that are always saying Politico is middle of the road?


7 posted on 11/02/2011 7:15:20 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: combat_boots

You are wise grass hopper.


8 posted on 11/02/2011 7:15:44 PM PDT by DManA
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To: fightinJAG

Couldn’t have said it better myself, in a million years. The media has the right chasing it’s tails on every accusation and protecting the left on any hardproof of same.
The right needs to go into every interview with comparisons of the media’s disingenuous accusations until the msm won’t invite them anymore. Maybe then the populace will realize their treason.


9 posted on 11/02/2011 7:15:57 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: fightinJAG
All the concern-trolls came out of the woodwork.

"I like Cain, but I disapprove of his behavior," as if the fact that he has been accused of something pretty much makes it irrelevant whether he did or not.

And the accusation is that he made a couple of neurotic women "uncomfortable."

He made them "uncomfortable?"

WTF? And there are idiots who take this seriously, because it comes from state-controlled media?

10 posted on 11/02/2011 7:16:17 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.)
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To: fightinJAG
how content we are to live in the Left’s world.

Whatchoo say. The Left creates the reality that suits them on the fly. That's why the have to own the media: because "three newspapers are more to be feared than a thousand bayonettes."

But, maybe if we dig around, we can find two thousand of them and solve this freaking problem for a while.

11 posted on 11/02/2011 7:20:35 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: icwhatudo

The problem is that if this is way the Hermster rolls then there are going to be a bunch of nice ladies who said yes.

Cain is going to have to deal with this weakness or whatever he wants to call it. Avoiding it is just asking for further eruptions later on and it will sink him. I hope he can sort this out with his wife and continue with his campaign. We can’t let the dims and RINO’s pick our candidates.


12 posted on 11/02/2011 7:24:51 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: fightinJAG

“the lefty media energetically dig into Cain after having buried the exponentially worse Democrat scandals”

A bunch of contemptible jackals is what they are. Oops, now I need to go and apologize to contemptible jackals everywhere, having insulted them so unfairly by comparing them to the leftist media.


13 posted on 11/02/2011 7:29:56 PM PDT by Texan Tory (Herman Cain for president. Because sometimes it does take a rocket scientist.)
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To: DManA
I must reply to your post because you used the word transmogrified. I see it all over the Cain thing.

I think more see this than you think. Take heart.

That said...Call me Doris Day...but I think a lot of normal, everyday voters...the ones that didn't think too much about specifics and reality...Have had reality to deal with in the last 3 years.

This crap smear of Cain will play out. Yes...by all accounts (except the nameless harassed women), Cain is decent. Smart. Kind. Funny. Dealt with massive obstacles...yet came out with a positive attitude.

This—THIS—the MSM is hot upon?

Salacious stuff. If that is what they think very important they would have gone after Mr. Obama’s love interests at Man's Country, Frist, Kal Penn, R. Love....etc., etc.

Oh...that's different.

I still have hope for Cain. I see he is in for the ride of his life. He looks to be a decent man. I'm behind him until there is proof that he is not. I am disgusted how they (whoever “they”) are have gone at him.

People are watching now. I always think it a positive when Conservative ideas find their ways to those just starting to think about these big ideas.

14 posted on 11/02/2011 7:39:56 PM PDT by Pigsley
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To: TwoSwords

From your lips to God’s ears.


15 posted on 11/02/2011 7:41:17 PM PDT by Pigsley
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To: lodi90
I like Herman Cain because he is not a Politician.

He doesn't have the years of learning the political acumen that a Mitt, Newt or Perry may possess.

If my reputation were being ruined by verbal character assassination and my family, especially my grandchildren, having to witness this circus I'd be fighting mad.

Mr. Cain is a black American who was born and raised in the South. He made it in America because of his intelligence, hard work and perseverance.

Take a look at the facts - these are white, liberal journalists taking pot shots at a black, conservative businessman, striving to make our Country a better place for all of us.

Where is the NAACP, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson when you have “whitey”, (including Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kriston and Brit Hume) trying to take Herman Cain back to the Plantation? MIA of course!

16 posted on 11/02/2011 7:47:48 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: chris37

Hannity disappointed me today. He was playing right into this Theater of the Absurd by claiming “we don’t know what happened” and similar non-relevant garbage.

We DO know what happened.

Complaints were made. They were investigated. They were found unsubstantiated. No action was taken against Mr. Cain. The accusers were terminated from their employment, with the usual severance pay and a confidentiality agreement.

END OF DISCUSSION.

It’s like this:

Fifteen years ago you were cited for DUI.

The case was investigated and the judge found there was no evidence that you had been DUI. The citation was dismissed before the case even went to trial.

Moreover, the cop who made the citation against you was terminated, given a severance pay, and he entered into a confidentiality agreement.

Today, fifteen years later, you are running for office. Someone leaks to the press that you were once CITED for DUI. You confirm that you were CITED for DUI. You AND THE MEDIA (in the Cain case, Politico) also confirm that:

1. The citation was dimissed as unsubstantiated.

2. The accuser was terminated.

3. The accuser entered into a confidentiality agreement. Now the accuser, the cop, wants to be released from his confidentiality agreement so he can “tell his side of the story” — the same facts (unless he lies) that he told the judge, that the judge found insufficient, and upon which the case was dismissed and you were exonerated.

That means NOTHING in terms of the validity and precedent of the previous findings by the judge upon a contemporaneous investigation into the facts and the accuser’s account.

NOTHING real or reliable could come out of the cop being allowed to say, literally, whatever he wants at this time — no matter how many people he wants to drag into the matter, no matter how impossible it is to collaborate or refute ANYTHING he says.

Why do some conservatives fall for this crap? It’s embarrassing.

Again, this is exactly why there are statutes of limitations in legal cases. The law says that after a certain amount of time has passed, the testimony of witnesses is no longer reliable.

Shouldn’t we be smart enough — not to mention politically savvy enough — to understand how this same rationale applies here?

Again, if you want to ding Cain because someone made a complaint against him, that’s your call. But please don’t clamor for the debacle of the Jerry Springer-ization of our nomination process. The Left is doing enough to try to destroy conservatives without conservatives going “celebrity crime” crazy over a complaint that was investigated and dismissed more than a decade ago


17 posted on 11/02/2011 7:47:58 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: All
ICYMI, this is an excellent article on how these complaints and "payouts" work in the real world:

Putting Herman Cain's Sexual Harassment Accusations in Context

18 posted on 11/02/2011 7:49:44 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: combat_boots

I’ve been flown in black heli...ahhh....well, I...disregard my last!


19 posted on 11/02/2011 7:51:28 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Pigsley

Thank you.

Ok he is not handling this well. But what he is not handling is being grabbed by the throat by a mad dog and shaken like a doll.

Should we stand back and critique his lack of ability to fend off mad dogs?

Or should we stand up and say back off you miserable mad dog.


20 posted on 11/02/2011 7:53:53 PM PDT by DManA
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To: the invisib1e hand

The Left, through the infamous Equal Opportunity Employment Commission and their buddies in the trial lawyer bar, create this culture where employers would rather pay someone a few months’ salary severance (a, gasp!, “five-figure settlement”), or even millions of dollars, to get rid of them than have to fight blatantly false charges.

Then, when it suits them (i.e., when the target is, say, NOT Bill Clinton), the Left uses the fact of these “shut up” settlements as a political bludgeon to say, see, that man, that company must be awful, someone actually made a SEXUAL HARASSMENT CLAIM against him!!


21 posted on 11/02/2011 7:54:53 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: All
Another ICYMI: this thread, Herman Cain is Reckless and Arrogant.

But do yourself a favor and skip the vanity article. Just read the comments and chime in.

22 posted on 11/02/2011 7:56:29 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: combat_boots

So have I . . .


23 posted on 11/02/2011 7:57:05 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: fightinJAG

I think I’ll just go ahead and say it. No predictions on whether it will doom him or not, but ...

The reason this story has legs now is simple. He was not consistent with his message. Didn’t know. Agreement vs. settlement. Did know.

He knew it was coming and didn’t just say “yes, I knew about the settlements; the allegations against me are baseless, and they were severanced from the NRA with x number of weeks pay. As is typical with all severance agreements, there is a non-disclosure clause, and I will respect that.”

Simple, true, and verifiable.

A presidential candidate who does not know that inconsistent responses to the media are like blood in the water? Who is advising him?


24 posted on 11/02/2011 7:59:27 PM PDT by dmz
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To: lodi90

I don’t see that Herman Cain is “avoiding” anything.

There’s just not much to say.

The complaints were investigated and found unsubstantiated. The accusers were terminated and, as usual, given severance pay.

That is all.

To the extent that other alleged anonymous “accusers” are coming forward, well, golly, this is the political silly season.


25 posted on 11/02/2011 7:59:27 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: fightinJAG

I think I head Hannity say today or yesterday, “Hermain Cain should have said I cannot talk about this because I am bound by the confidentiallty agreement, and they would have ended it, for now”.

WTF does that even mean Sean? Seems all all those stupid idiots you talk to and subject me to on your show are starting to rub off on you big time...


26 posted on 11/02/2011 8:16:17 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: fightinJAG
Hannity disappointed me today. He was playing right into this Theater of the Absurd by claiming “we don’t know what happened” and similar non-relevant garbage.

I agree and had to turn him off this afternoon. His tone was such that he was giving the allegations credibility.

We could take a lesson from the left when these things happen and just ignore it, don't report it and don't talk about it.

27 posted on 11/02/2011 8:20:08 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: tflabo

Gee, I thought by now people would realize the Left always use what they do against decent people and that seems to go for the RINOS too. They have the worst of all, Bill Clinton the rapist.


28 posted on 11/02/2011 8:21:04 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: fightinJAG

We are not dealing with facts and law now. This is gossip and character assassination. Cain needs to get in front of this and admit some indiscretions or however he wants to frame it. Otherwise these orchestrated eruptions will continue until he is damaged beyond repair.


29 posted on 11/02/2011 8:21:08 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: capydick

I so agree. We should be discussing what the candidates really stand for.


30 posted on 11/02/2011 8:22:02 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty

We’re our own worst enemy, time and again.


31 posted on 11/02/2011 8:25:32 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: fightinJAG

Who is advising Cain on these matters? Any attorney will advise clients not to discuss the case with anyone but them. And being the case is closed, and he is running for public office that advice should apply even more so. He is doing what comes natural, trying to explain his way out of it one interview at a time, yet doing so puts him at high risk implicating himself, and the more he talks about it the more likely a innocent inconsistency between statements will plant the seed of doubt. From day one, he should of directed all questions to his attorney.
I seriously like Cain, but he needs to stop discussing this right away with the public, and have a talk with his attorney.

Great advice for Cain on this video - You have the Right to Remain Silent - DO IT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc


32 posted on 11/02/2011 8:39:22 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: icwhatudo
Probably more like "That dress really looks good on you."

Remember, when the trial lawyers were probing the new and lucrative 'harrassment' angle, almost anything could be considered 'harassment'. (They were still feeling out the limits of how much could be made off of what.)

The initial stories (being wiped out by the headlines) claimed in the text there was nothing overt, but the women in question 'felt uncomfortable', whatever that entails.

In short, it was a question of how they took the comment or gesture, not one of how it was intended.

As a business owner, I would have been glad to be rid of people who were going to create trouble at the drop of a hat. No organization can function effectively walking on eggshells. A settlement and non-disclosure agreement beats what may have been a lawsuit with a real hefty price tag in the future if someone had made a remark they could really get traction with, just as a strategic move.

I think this crap was blown out of proportion to begin with, and that is just getting worse.

In the meantime, we have Fast and Furious and all the other DOJ and associated taxpayer-funded firearm deliveries to criminals, we have the milking of huge (half-billion dollar) taxpayer funded loans to failing businesses which continued to fail--at our expense--with political connections and disappearing dollars, we have a national economy in the toilet, the Euro on its way down the pipe, and a host of other, literally earth-shaking developments and they are using the airtime to pump this?

If someone had some facts instead of all the inuendo and supposition, they might have a story.

As for the puke-licking minions of the MSM, they have managed to drop below the 'Bat Boy' credibility level with me. If they told me the sky is blue, I'd have to go check.

33 posted on 11/02/2011 10:55:09 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: lodi90

What indiscretions?

So far we have the FACTS that allegations were made, they were investigated and found unsubstantiated, the case was closed without action against Cain (he was exonerated), and the accusers were terminated from their employment, with the usual severance pay and the usual confidentiality agreements.

So, again: what indiscretions?

There is nothing more for Cain to say about this incident. He should say he has responded to it and move on.


34 posted on 11/02/2011 10:58:08 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: capydick

Exactly.

Of course, and I’m sure you agree, IF (big IF) the incident in fact impugns the candidate’s character or conduct, then we have to count that against him.

But if we evaluate the situation and, as here, see the candidate’s character is intact, then we need to drop it and move on.


35 posted on 11/02/2011 10:59:56 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

One of the accusers now says she *thinks* Cain is lying:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2801812/posts

How much more evidence do you want?


36 posted on 11/02/2011 11:02:28 PM PDT by kevao
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To: dmz
He was not consistent with his message. Didn’t know. Agreement vs. settlement. Did know.

Agreement v. settlement? Are you serious?

First of all, how would Cain know this? He was NOT a party to the action between the complainants and the NRA. He would only know through some kind of hearsay.

Further, this case was so inconsequential and business-as-usual that (1) the HR director at the time said she was unfamiliar with any complaints having been filed against Cain, and (2) the lawyer for the complainant said he couldn't remember her name, or WHO the complaint had been against, that he had accomplished the case with a few phone calls and that was it.

These type of terminations happen EVERY DAY. No one would pay the least bit of attention to it. Especially since there is also evidence that the woman was likely to leave or be fired anyway.

37 posted on 11/02/2011 11:03:50 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: kevao
After 20 years, she *thinks* he is lying?

She thinks???

If she doesn't know, there really is nothing to see here.

38 posted on 11/02/2011 11:08:20 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yep. From the article:

“She is offended by Cain’s proclamations that he was falsely accused and thinks he is lying.”

Have you ever seen anything so bizarre?


39 posted on 11/02/2011 11:16:02 PM PDT by kevao
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To: All
Various Things I Don't Believe
40 posted on 11/02/2011 11:16:33 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: fightinJAG

Amen. It’s fodder for fools.


41 posted on 11/02/2011 11:20:02 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Romney as president will just destroy the country slower than Obama.)
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To: kevao
Well, yes.

Like complaints that Sarah Palin spent a whopping 150,000 on clothes for a campaign (which she donated to charity)... when the wookie takes multimillion dollar vacations without so much as a peep.

There is not even a pretext of honest or intelligent reporting out there from the MSMinistry of Propaganda, and Fox has been sliding toward that abyss, especially since Beck left.

Frankly, we need a POTUS who can say "If that offends you, tough!" instead of globe-trotting and bowing and scraping to everyone.

42 posted on 11/02/2011 11:24:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: fightinJAG

You’re right - I agree with that exception


43 posted on 11/03/2011 4:18:08 AM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: fightinJAG

Please note the similar treatment Cain is receiving now to what Palin was subject to the last 2 years...and the common thread behind both becomes clear. This is a bipartisan lynching courtesy of the RinoCracy.

We the People are only to “be allowed” certain candidates....


44 posted on 11/03/2011 4:28:34 AM PDT by mo
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To: fightinJAG

I’m a human resources guy career wise so I am well aware of how these things work. The agreement vs settlement talk were Cain’s words not mine.

Stop shooting the messenger.

Cain’s response has been inconsistent. That is undeniable. I’m sorry, but how could he not have been prepared. The guy who he suggests told the Perry camp about used to work for Cain. And I believe I read/heard than it was Cain himself who told the leaker.


45 posted on 11/03/2011 4:46:20 AM PDT by dmz
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To: fightinJAG

“So, again: what indiscretions?”

FRiend, don’t shoot the messenger. It’s obvious from all the gossip Herm has been stepping out on his wife. The stories and innuendo are only going to make this more sordid. He needs to own up to it and move on with his campaign.


46 posted on 11/03/2011 11:06:07 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: dmz; lodi90

Disagreeing with a post, challenging it, or simply asking questions or for clarification or elaboration does not constitute “shooting the messenger.”


47 posted on 11/03/2011 12:54:37 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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