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We Should Listen to the 99%
WSJ ^ | NOVEMBER 3, 2011 | JEFF GREENE

Posted on 11/03/2011 6:54:09 AM PDT by throwback

Edited on 11/03/2011 7:36:58 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

For those of us who experienced the 1960s firsthand, there is something familiar about the Occupy Wall Street protests. But it isn't what the critics are harping about. Yes, there's a certain tie-dye feeling to the encampment at Zuccotti Park, where I wandered around last week. But when people refer to the protesters as "hippies" and sneer about their hygiene, they miss the point entirely. Those who focus on the look and feel of the OWS movement ignore the obvious fact that, like the early protesters of the 1960s, they are mainly educated, middle-class and completely sincere.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 99; conman; grifter; liar
They also spurred the development of sprawling communities where cars, the most expensive form of transportation around, became the logical way to get from point A to point B. The lowest gas tax in the industrialized world masked the true cost of operating these cars, while federal highway funds meant drivers never felt the cost of building all the roads that were paved to serve them.

...For our politicians the questions revolve around similar values. Do your policies reward and encourage investment in education for the long term or consumption in the moment?

Drivers pay gas taxes that go directly to roads. Where is the tax that the users of the education system pay to subsidize student loans? If anything, the student loan crowd is the one getting the free ride. Why does the WSJ print this claptrap?

1 posted on 11/03/2011 6:54:11 AM PDT by throwback
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To: throwback
It isn't your dad's WSJ anymore.

Its just another leftwing rag, with a corporate twist.

2 posted on 11/03/2011 6:58:01 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: throwback

The sincerest protesters that Soros money can buy!


3 posted on 11/03/2011 6:59:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ya don't tug on Superman's cape/ya don't spit into the wind--and ya don't speak well of Mitt to Jim!)
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To: throwback

Drivers pay gas taxes that go directly to roads.

Unfortunately, in Illinois the state government puts the gas tax into the general fund. With less money for roads the state built tollways. Nice fix, huh?


4 posted on 11/03/2011 6:59:39 AM PDT by saltshaker
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To: skeeter

Being “educated” does not make someone intelligent.

The Wall Street Journal has taken a turn left and dropped down two notches in its professionalism. The newspaper is now filled with typos which I cannot fathom since spell check should catch those types of errors.


5 posted on 11/03/2011 7:04:21 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: throwback

Heads full of Marxist mush put there by a Marxist infested NEA.


6 posted on 11/03/2011 7:05:31 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: saltshaker

That used to be the practice in Missouri.
It was corrected only a couple of years ago.


7 posted on 11/03/2011 7:08:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
Being “educated” does not make someone intelligent.

Being 'educated' today does not mean what is used to mean.

Vermont Royster must be spinning in his grave.

8 posted on 11/03/2011 7:11:57 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: throwback

“...they are mainly educated...”

That, sir, is questionable.

Given what I’ve heard from them when they’re foolish enough to talk, I find it sufficient for criminal prosecution of the “professors” that deigned to take money from those gullable children.


9 posted on 11/03/2011 7:12:27 AM PDT by Da Coyote (Politics is proof of God. He created a position for those without any abilities whatsoever.)
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To: Don Corleone
Many of us who "experienced the '60s first-hand" came away with a somewhat different point of view that the author.

The 1960s featured an infantile, solipsistic, navel-gazing generation of spoiled, wealthy children endlessly banging spoons on their high chairs, demanding as a right the freedom to do whatever they felt like without responsibility or adverse consequence, and to take as much of what someone else had and they wanted, and if they didn't get it right now, why, they'd throw another tantrum.

So they did. And that tantrum has now lasted 45 years.

10 posted on 11/03/2011 7:13:29 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: throwback

I feel like that anonymous aide in Star Wars who approaches the Death Star Commander.

“We have analyzed their attack plans, and there is a danger”.

The longer the economy stays down the more people will be open to be swayed by arguments that the 1% have “too much” and that the banks “need to pay us back for bailing them out”.


11 posted on 11/03/2011 7:16:25 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: throwback

they are NOT the 99%, nor anything like it. infact, they’re fewer than the 1% they rail against. nobody appointed, elected, asked, or chose them to speak for anybody but themselves.


12 posted on 11/03/2011 7:17:36 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I agree.

The result of the 60’s was a moral decline in America from which will likely never recover.

This time I believe that it will be a financial decline from which we will never recover.


13 posted on 11/03/2011 7:22:02 AM PDT by NeilGus
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To: throwback

Umm...we are the 99%.


14 posted on 11/03/2011 7:23:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: throwback
they are mainly educated, middle-class and completely sincere.

Naive and foolish obviously aren't in his dictionary.

15 posted on 11/03/2011 7:25:41 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Mr. Greene wouldn’t know, he was 10 years old in the mid sixties.

Here is a story about billionaire Jeff Greene:

“Posted by Atenantofjeffs | 09/02/10 10:20 AM EDT
I was a tenant of Jeff’s for over 10 years throughout the 90’s. Throughout this time I had numerous conversations with vendors of Jeff including everything from groundskeepers to bankers and real estate agents.

Jeff made his money in the 80’s by approaching banks with design plans for a building. For example, he would get an amount say $5 million to build the building correctly, get the loan from the bank to build, and then build the cheapest building he could pocketing much of the construction money.

In some cases he would forfeit the property but of course keep the difference leaving the bank to own a shell of the property that he promised to build-Borrow 5 million, build a problematic building for 3 million, keep the rest and toss the building back to the bank if he felt like it or if the rents were good just rent it out.

The property that I was in was fitted with an ancient AC unit(think big industrial office building AC unit) The roof had access to it and the contractor showed me the dates on the AC unit predated by MANY years the construction of the building although he told the bank he was building an all new building.

It went on and on. He would hire gardeners, let them work for 2-3 months and never pay them. He’d just hire some more. There was the famous story of some house/mansion in Malibu where he pulled the same funny-business with the bank and a loan and stiffed many of the contractors that worked on the house so much so that the contractors returned to the house to inflict damage.

One plumber I talked to poured something called “liquid plumber” which was a powder that turned into solid concrete down his plumbing because Jeff wouldn’t pay him for work done. Apparently it ruined his wood floors. It went on and on for over 10 years the stories people would tell about him. He’s a legendary cheap skate/criminal.

Quite often you can run into someone in LA that has either been a tenant or a vendor for Jeff and it is always a combination of horrible experience”

More tales at link: http://rate.forbes.com/comments/CommentServlet?op=cpage&sourcename=story&StoryURI=forbes/2008/1006/266.html&com=143377


16 posted on 11/03/2011 7:26:36 AM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: throwback

WSJ is the finest newspaper in the world. I guess they have to give some space to their resident leftest pinko staff writer.


17 posted on 11/03/2011 7:27:40 AM PDT by catfish1957 (A politican with a heart usually means they have one hand in our pocketbooks!!!)
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To: throwback

These marxist heathens aren’t 99% of anything...


18 posted on 11/03/2011 7:29:13 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: free me
Wow. Well, at least we know that Mr. Greene inherited his morals from the 1960's...
19 posted on 11/03/2011 7:32:18 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: throwback

Couldn’t read the entire article, but from the start, the issue with the protestors is; their anger is misdirected—gov’t mandate initiated and sustained the meltdown. Any fool knows that lending institutions were forced by gov’t mandate and their gangs of lawyers (obuttface was one of them) to make risky loans, mostly just another form of welfare for africans, hispanics and other selected special people. My cousin in the business told me two years ahead of the collapse what was coming and why.


20 posted on 11/03/2011 7:34:21 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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Just sayin' ...

Maybe the Occupy Wall Street crowd should seriously consider Occupying ABC, CBS and NBC television and radio studios. That way, they can ensure that their message gets out.

21 posted on 11/03/2011 7:39:12 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: catfish1957
Even back in the day, the WSJ devoted a good portion of its Thursday op/ed pages to libs (such as Al Hunt).

It's nothing new, really--and it's somewhat mystifying that folks don't understand what "op" in "op/ed" actually stands for . . . .

22 posted on 11/03/2011 7:41:42 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: free me
Ironic. It seems the capitalists that give capitalists a bad name because they're really just stingy little thieves always put on the face of being the sympathetic altruists.
23 posted on 11/03/2011 7:46:01 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: andy58-in-nh; DLfromthedesert; amom

Well said, andy. I was of that generation and I praise God that somehow I was able to disdain and side-step most of the nonsense. (God gave me a very good choice of parents!)

So yes, we should listen to and not ignore these skulls full of mush. We must do as much as we can to (re)educate them and those who are younger than them truly to reality and the more positive road this country can offer. We should pray daily for God to accomplish this, for we ourselves of ourselves have not been able to. The rats gnawing at the vitals of our educational system have done their damage, and truly it is in the hands of God (as well as us being His hands and feet to speak) if any of these ones can now be salvageable.


24 posted on 11/03/2011 7:47:07 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (The Tea Party outnumbers the Flea Party!)
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To: throwback
But when people refer to the protesters as "hippies" and sneer about their hygiene, they miss the point entirely. Those who focus on the look and feel of the OWS movement ignore the obvious fact that, like the early protesters of the 1960s, they are mainly educated, middle-class and completely sincere.

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So then, according to this flaming brain addled Liberal, having knowledge on the subject your are talking or demonstrating about or for is trumped by your education, your social status and your sincerity.

Limbaugh was right on when he said all those years ago the Left never thinks, it feels. There isn't an ounce of real common sense and not a shred of ability to employ cognitive thinking. They live in a world where they actually believe if we could all sit down and join hands, sing a chorus or two of Kum Bi Ya, why everything would be wonderful. They are both pathetic and dangerous.

25 posted on 11/03/2011 7:49:35 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: skeeter

Intelligence is what you are born with. Smart is what you become if you are able to properly utilize your God given intelligence.


26 posted on 11/03/2011 7:50:59 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: camle

The concept of “we are the 99%” is nothing more than a marketing tool designed not-very-cleverly to attract a potential 99% of the American people to their side and their ill-defined cause. It’s their actual behavior and their inarticulate expression of their ‘grievances’ though, that undoes them with the REAL 99%.
The Tea Party started finding its way 3 long years ago and
with a comprehensive, real-time appraisal of what our situation was, and is well along now in fulfilling its objectives. OWS is the Left’s half-assed answer to the Tea Party, and the people who’ve flocked to it, rather than the Tea Party three years ago, give away the game. Need I say Moore than Michael?


27 posted on 11/03/2011 7:51:34 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: throwback
These are the same people who wanted to overthrow our government in the 30’s and the 60’s. Communists essentially; Bill Ayers types..

They are using the bailout outrage to draw in naive people to their side.

28 posted on 11/03/2011 7:53:30 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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Wake Up And Donate!


Click The Pic

Let's Make The Bar Yellow!

29 posted on 11/03/2011 7:58:17 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: andy58-in-nh
Time to again drag out the best quote from my favorite political "analyst"

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

30 posted on 11/03/2011 7:58:47 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: skeeter

I’m not certain if you are a subscriber but the WSJ is still fairly objective in its news reporting, much more so than the NYTimes. The stories of Solyndra and the “green” jobs scam appear in depth at WSJ while barely seeing daylight in most of the MSM. What’s more, this “article” is actually commentary from the op-ed (short for opposing editorials) pages, which will often features commentary from Libs since all of the WSJ editorials are pretty conservative or libertarian.


31 posted on 11/03/2011 7:59:15 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: TEXOKIE
I agree: praying cannot hurt and may well help. Of course, you can no longer do that in a public building or in a public school... and that is a part of the problem.

We must soberly consider what we have allowed to happen to America and how we may still act to reverse the damage.

Because somehow, in a span of less than 75 years, we have gone from a nation of doers and thinkers to one of borrowers and beggars.

32 posted on 11/03/2011 8:03:08 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: 101voodoo

As usual, P.J. is spot on. FYI, he lives in a nice little town a few miles down the road from me.


33 posted on 11/03/2011 8:05:41 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: catfish1957

People seem to forget that the WSJ has an op-ed page and that this is not an “article” but commentary from a guest (not regular staff as far as I know) writer. I will sometimes agree with their op-ed folks like Arthur Laffer and the president of the Dallas Fed, who voted against Quantitative Easing. Others, like Robert Reich, Ben Stein and this author), with whom I disagree also appear but that’s what open discussion and debate are about.


34 posted on 11/03/2011 8:06:09 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: throwback

“Those who focus on the look and feel of the OWS movement ignore the obvious fact that, like the early protesters of the 1960s, they are mainly educated, middle-class and completely sincere.”

Total BS!!!!

Gun them down like they should have done in the 60s!!!!


35 posted on 11/03/2011 8:10:47 AM PDT by dalereed (uity wise!)
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To: AppyPappy

“Umm...we are the 99%.”

Maybe you want to be a total horses ass but don’t try to speak for anyone else!!

People with money don’t owe you or anyone else shit!


36 posted on 11/03/2011 8:15:24 AM PDT by dalereed (uity wise!)
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To: throwback
Do your policies reward and encourage investment in education for the long term or consumption in the moment?

Are we paying 100,000 for a college education that conveyed the same knowledge that a high school graduate had in the 1950's? Have our teachers unions and politicians made real progress regarding education?

37 posted on 11/03/2011 8:28:31 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: dalereed

Dale

Is there something you’d like to share with us besides your anger? Thorazine perhaps?


38 posted on 11/03/2011 8:29:01 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: throwback
they are mainly educated

99% of the 99% are not educated. A four year degree even in a moderately serious major is a total joke. 99% of college grads don't read any classics in college. 99% of history teachers use the modern revisionist method and place nothing in perspective. 99% of classes can be passed with virtually no effort. 99% of the time you can be drunk and graduate college.

39 posted on 11/03/2011 8:32:53 AM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: throwback
We Should Listen to the 99%

First of all, they aren't the 99% they claim to be, so why would we listen to a bunch of liars?

40 posted on 11/03/2011 8:48:55 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: throwback

“We Should Listen to the 99%”

Yeah, they really should because 98% of us detest these freaks.


41 posted on 11/03/2011 8:51:05 AM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: dalereed

Sorry pal, the “I got mine, screw you” crap isn’t going to fly anymore. Not after the taxpayers just got finished bailing out the banks AND their investors, who would have been wiped out otherwise. I, for one, have no problem asking for some of that money back.


42 posted on 11/03/2011 8:54:38 AM PDT by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: throwback

“mainly educated, middle class and sincere”...

The writer of this article is not is not thinking logically - The level of a person’s sincerity has nothing to do with the rightness or wrongness of their belief/cause. I am sure that Hitler himself was sincere.

My daughter who attends Pace University in lower Manhattan had her class canceled this morning and so walked over to the actual Zucotti Park area for the first time. Although she is in the area just a few blocks away, she has been too busy attending class, working her part time job and studying to actually go there. She said it was truly disgusting and was expecting to see rats. So the reports of the squalid conditions are not exaggerated based upon first hand observation. I don’t see how this fits in with educated, middle class, etc...

She also reported that the police presence on horseback near her school, although welcome in terms of keeping the area safe, is a major nuisance for people trying to get to classes or get to work. She especially noted the smell of horse manure wafting through the air. Again - she is happy to be safe but is looking to the root cause - the Occupiers.

It seems the 99%ers are truly hypocrites if they act like they are for more jobs but are in truth obstructing working people and students.

She also wondered who was paying for all of these police, horses and helicopters. I told her the taxpayers of NYC are footing the bill and when they get sick of it things will stop. They will get sick of footing this bill eventually!!


43 posted on 11/03/2011 9:10:23 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: Ace of Spades

“Sorry pal, the “I got mine, screw you” crap isn’t going to fly anymore. Not after the taxpayers just got finished bailing out the banks AND their investors, who would have been wiped out otherwise. I, for one, have no problem asking for some of that money back.”

Sorry pal, the banks have already repaid TARP. You want to demonize someone, try Freddie & Fannie, who have paid nothing back, are asking for billions more and are set to hand out millions in bounuses.


44 posted on 11/03/2011 10:15:03 AM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Very well stated cogent points. Thanks so much. I agree 100%.


45 posted on 11/03/2011 2:43:25 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (The Tea Party outnumbers the Flea Party!)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Very well stated cogent points. Thanks so much. I agree 100%.


46 posted on 11/03/2011 2:43:40 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (The Tea Party outnumbers the Flea Party!)
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