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Herman Cain: 9-9-9 Meets 1-2-3 (Barf Alert!!!)
Townhall.com ^ | November 3, 2011 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 11/03/2011 7:22:05 AM PDT by Kaslin

Who wants to be Paula Jones? Or Kathleen Willey or Anita Hill? All three women have accused political icons -- Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton and Clarence Thomas -- of sexually harassing them.

And what did they get for sticking out their necks? Jones squared off against skater Tonya Harding on "Celebrity Boxing." Willey and Hill wrote books. They can't prove their allegations, and for the rest of their lives, they will have to live with the consequences. They are not in an enviable position.

On Sunday, Politico reported that two women had accused GOP presidential hopeful Herman Cain of "inappropriate behavior" in the 1990s, when Cain was head of the National Restaurant Association. Both women received five-figure severance packages. Tuesday, a lawyer for one of the women told the media that his client was seeking release from a confidentiality clause so that she could come forward.

Big mistake. It's "he said, she said." The burden always falls more heavily on the accuser, not the accused. The reported payouts are not so large as to spell out whether the association ponied up to atone for gross misbehavior or because settling was easier. No woman wins in this game.

I could go on about the double standard. Democrats who excoriated Thomas conveniently discarded their indignation during Clinton's many scandals. Because Cain, like Thomas, is African-American, supporters charge that the Politico story is another episode in what Thomas referred to as his 1991 "high-tech lynching."

The original Politico story was weak. As The Daily Beast's Howard Kurtz wrote, "it is difficult to assess the potentially damaging allegations, as the article relies on unnamed sources, does not identify the women, and does not detail what is said to have happened." Because liberal pundits cannot even specify any misconduct, they have been reduced to writing that the real issue is Cain's evolving statements on the topic. It's the cover-up, they argue, not the alleged civil tort.

The thing is that it doesn't matter what Cain did or did not do during the Clinton years. Cain has no business running for president.

Cain's only political experience prior to 2011 was losing the primary for a U.S. Senate seat in Georgia in 2004. Cain has a great personal success story. He also beat cancer, and he's usually good for a fine quote. But he never has had to deal with a hostile legislature, treacherous GOP allies or a foreign potentate.

As I write this, I see reports that a third woman has told The Associated Press that she considered filing a sexual harassment complaint against Cain. The next couple of news cycles are going to be too predictable. Partisans who like Cain will defend him. Those who don't won't. Facts won't matter.

Cain already had begun to lose some of his luster. He changed his 9-9-9 tax plan to a 9-by-9 model. He joked about his lack of foreign policy expertise by claiming he doesn't need to know the names of the leaders of flyspeck countries, such as "Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan." Cain told CNN's Wolf Blitzer he could see himself authorizing the release of all Guantanamo Bay detainees in exchange for one captive U.S. soldier. Then he said that he had spoken "in error."

Cain's presidential campaign always was going to tank. Now it's going to tank ugly.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debrajsaunders; herbcain; mediahypocrisy; politico; rino; romney; romneybot; romneylover; smearcampaign

1 posted on 11/03/2011 7:22:06 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
The thing is that it doesn't matter what Cain did or did not do during the Clinton years. Cain has no business running for president. Cain's only political experience prior to 2011 . . .

The thing is that it doesn't matter what Obama did or did not learn in these first three terrible years of his reign. Obama has no business running for president. Obama's only political experience prior to 2011 includes voting "present" in the Senate, acting as an advocate for community organizers in local government, and catastrophically failing at everything he has touched in our White House. Compared with Obama, not only is Cain overqualified, but a sack of manure is overqualified. King Tut would do a better job than Obama because he's long dead, so he couldn't make any mistakes.

2 posted on 11/03/2011 7:28:18 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Kaslin
I see the slimebots in the GOP Establishment have kicked the slander attack into overdrive.

Notice the trend here?

No evidence, no facts, no paper trail. No evidence at all. Merely a string of anonymous sources making accusations.

The accusations are then “validated” by more hear say accusations by third party sources linked to other GOP campaigns.

The GOP machine better buy a clue. This stupidity on their part may just buy them a Tea Party presidential candidate in 2012.

3 posted on 11/03/2011 7:29:16 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Kaslin
And just how should Cain of handled the fraudulent accusations differently?

I see the GOP Rovebot Establishment whisper campaign is working.

Avoid the issue but make up knowing misstatements that complete misrepresenting how Cain handled the issue. Then the GOP media bot is critical of Cain for not delivering a completely flawless response to these anonymously sourced fraudulent accusations.

Contrary to the GOP Establishment machine’s fraudulent talking point on this NO CANDIDATE would of ever responded any better to this sort of unprecedented slander attack

4 posted on 11/03/2011 7:30:23 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Kaslin

Sorry, Deb, Wishful thinking!!! Cain ROCKS!!! Cain/Rubio, 2012!!!


5 posted on 11/03/2011 7:30:28 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( ed)
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To: Pollster1

Excellent point


6 posted on 11/03/2011 7:32:02 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Unfortunately your Cain/Rubio, 2012 is wishful thinking on your part. Rubio made it clear that he is only interested in doing his job in the Senate


7 posted on 11/03/2011 7:37:12 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: MNJohnnie
My friend, like you I support Cain. I think this whole thing is all nothing..there's no there, there...a despicable attempt to slander, defame, and injure his candidacy.

All the being said, we do ourselves no good when we deny the obvious..Cain has not handled this well. They had 10 days notice before Politico ran the story. What they should have done, IMHO..was hold a presser BEFORE the story ran, got it all out, which would have totally defused it..and but Politco on the defensive. They messed up. Block should not have been the one to be the point person on this..Get an accomplish, polished female to handle the press. There are many choices.Cain ain't the Pope..he's NOT infallible. And it shows..the biggest lesson.. that that despite running an "unconventional campaign, he'll need far more boots on the ground..polished political operatives..

8 posted on 11/03/2011 7:38:54 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: Kaslin

Or for that matter, who wants to be Mary Jo Kopechne? I’m afraid the facts (and the differences) are lost on you, Debra.


9 posted on 11/03/2011 7:41:14 AM PDT by Savage Beast (A backwoods southern lawyer is a safer trustee for your soul than a Washington politician.)
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To: Kaslin

I am the ultimate positve thinker!!!


10 posted on 11/03/2011 7:44:35 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( ed)
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To: Kaslin
I believe there is a huge difference between sexual assault and sexual harassment!
11 posted on 11/03/2011 7:52:13 AM PDT by not2worry
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To: Kaslin

Debra j once agains proves how stupid she is. Probably spend the past few days at an occupy meeting.


12 posted on 11/03/2011 8:02:11 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Kaslin
Even if true, Cain's past “harassment” is jaywalking compared to Obama’s RAPE of the country!
13 posted on 11/03/2011 8:03:43 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (When voting, if youÂ’re not willing to work in the kitchen, order from the menu.)
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To: not2worry
The difference between an alleged sexual harrassment twelve years ago and today, is the difference in day light and dark. I remember the case of a woman back then that filed charges because she passed some guys office and he was looking at a playboy magazine. This is the kind of PC crap the perrywinkles are will to defend, and they came the texas puke is a conservative.
14 posted on 11/03/2011 8:07:13 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: org.whodat

No one is defending the claims. We know nothing other than there were settlements.


15 posted on 11/03/2011 8:09:40 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: hocndoc

Wilson works for perry.: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2801469/posts


16 posted on 11/03/2011 8:12:53 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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Wake Up And Donate!


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Let's Make The Bar Yellow!

17 posted on 11/03/2011 8:14:21 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: MNJohnnie

Well, he could have started off by admitting he knew about it, he could have stopped having to acknowledge things piecemeal, he could have remembered that he discussed the matter with his advisors (as he now admits) back in 2004 during his other failed run for office, and he could stop attacking people for asking him about it and he could stop blaming his rivals for the whole thing.

He is “handling” it exactly the way Clinton “handled” the Monica problem, even though it sounds like there was far less there to worry about in the first place. Why didn’t he just admit it, say that settlements had been made, and humbly say that he regrets any impropriety or even appearance of impropriety? It would all be over by now.

But this is definitely ending in an ugly way. I think not only has he damaged himself, he has damaged all the other candidates in the race too.


18 posted on 11/03/2011 8:24:01 AM PDT by livius
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To: All

VIDEO -Trump’s Take: ‘Ugly’ Cain ‘Witch Hunt’ & Bleaker Economy. Advises Cain to file a MAJOR lawsuit...
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1255359768001/trumps-take-ugly-cain-witch-hunt-amp-bleaker-economy/?playlist_id=86858


19 posted on 11/03/2011 8:28:56 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: All

Kurt Schlichter , a trial attorney defending businesses in civil litigation, says, “Facts are optional - How sex-harass suits work” bttt
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/facts_are_optional_MGlu78c7RflvWKMH5eUuvM


20 posted on 11/03/2011 8:32:32 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Kaslin

Ah Debra Saunders.....what passes for a conservative in San Francisco


21 posted on 11/03/2011 8:45:44 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: ken5050

There is no ‘good’ way to handle this crappola. It is like trying to convince people you have quit beating your wife.... What we should be doing is excoriating the media cycle jerks who promote this stuff. They treat everything like it is Kim K’s wedding/divorce news...breathless, all important, and can’t repeat enough rumor.


22 posted on 11/03/2011 8:48:22 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: livius

Clinton was not 12 to 15 years away from his sexual dalliances. No one has suggested anything other than verbuage that made them ‘uncomfortable’. There were no court cases. At least one had a small payout of severance as she left the association. Cain has handled this the way that any ordinary citizen would have if asked about something that happened over a decade ago.

For example, what were you doing 11,7,2001? We have reports that you were involved in something very bad. Do you deny it? Why not?


23 posted on 11/03/2011 8:52:51 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

There may indeed be no “good” way to handle this, as you say, but you can’t argue that Cain couldn’t have done a better job.


24 posted on 11/03/2011 8:53:34 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: Kaslin

Debbie continues her tradition of attacking real conservative like Herman & James O’Keefe.

I guess she needed a break from promoting same-sex marriage.


25 posted on 11/03/2011 9:13:30 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Liberty is not collective, it is personal. All liberty is individual liberty. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Kaslin
Cain's presidential campaign always was going to tank. Now it's going to tank ugly.

This bitch has always been a cunning runt.

Once a year, this dyslexic may get a part of a story correct, but she claims to be a SF conservative.

Debra is from SF and she is a rino, but is not now, nor never has been, a conservative.

26 posted on 11/03/2011 9:24:40 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the Terrorists Savages)
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To: Nifster

He discussed this with at least one campaign staffer (and now he is saying perhaps there were others) in 2004. If he’s that forgetful, he needs to take more Geritol and not run for president.

Also, the whole point is that if you’re running for President, you’re not just Joe Schmoe anymore, somebody who can get away with a memory lapse, real or feigned. This is especially true if you’re running as a GOP candidate.

He sure hasn’t shown himself to be particularly competent or on the ball on any of this, and his launching into attacks on his fellow candidates was completely inexcusable.


27 posted on 11/03/2011 9:32:23 AM PDT by livius
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To: Kaslin

Herman Cain Leads in South Carolina despite attacks on him

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2802018/posts


28 posted on 11/03/2011 9:38:13 AM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!Jesus is Lord!)
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To: MNJohnnie

I’m not sure how much of this attack is GOP driven. There is some evidence for it. But around DC, it is Politico and other MSM outlets (WTOP news radio) that relentlessly push the story day after day.


29 posted on 11/03/2011 9:44:57 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: livius
Nice little circular argument the GOP Establishmentbots have manufactured to keep their slander attack at Cain going.

The only way Cain had to “clear himself” in advance from their slander attack is to violate a legal confidentiality agreement. So his only choice was to break the law thus opening himself to being sued in the midst of his campaign, or let himself be slandered.

Now because he did not choose to break the law to protect himself, he is now being accused by the GOP Establishment slanderbots of “botching the response”

How about this. Accusations have been made. Cain has refuted them. How about the accusers put up even 1 single shred of evidence to back up their accusations?

30 posted on 11/03/2011 9:47:22 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: ken5050
The only way Cain had to “clear himself” in advance from their slander attack is to violate a legal confidentiality agreement. So his only choice was to break the law thus opening himself to being sued in the midst of his campaign, or let himself be slandered.

Now because he did not choose to break the law to protect himself, he is now being accused by the GOP Establishment slanderbots of “botching the response”

How about this. Accusations have been made. Cain has refuted them. How about the accusers put up even 1 single shred of evidence to back up their accusations? How about they do that before moving on to the next slander in their campaign against Cain?

31 posted on 11/03/2011 9:49:02 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: org.whodat

Wilson also has ties to Rove. He use to work for him.


32 posted on 11/03/2011 9:50:11 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

FYI..just breaking..woman claims that she spent the nigth with Cain, after they left the restaurant..several NRA staffers saw them get in a cab together...


33 posted on 11/03/2011 10:09:46 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: Kaslin

Nein Nein Nein


34 posted on 11/03/2011 11:07:24 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: livius

Herman Cain is not your ‘standard politian’. It is one of the things I like most about him. He does not do what the Elites would suggest. All the Karl Roves of the world can go fly a kite. I will still vote my conscience.... No to Mittens No to Perry


35 posted on 11/03/2011 12:00:01 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: ken5050

Better than telling the truth....I have always found that to be about the best I can do. Sometimes I remember more things than others (and I have been told I have a very good memory). The fact is I do not remember all things at all times


36 posted on 11/03/2011 12:01:25 PM PDT by Nifster
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