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PJM Sources Report Details of Alleged Cain Incident
PJMedia ^ | November 3, 2011 | Richard Pollock

Posted on 11/03/2011 10:04:50 AM PDT by bbernard

Adding to the ongoing Herman Cain sexual harassment controversy, two sources have now confirmed to PJ Media that a female employee of the National Restaurant Association told associates she had been brought by Mr. Cain to his Crystal City, Virginia residence where she alleged “he had taken advantage of me.”

One source, a male, told PJ Media:

Herman took advantage of seniority and power with a young woman. It was an abuse of power.

Implying that coming forward with the accusations was an ordeal for the young woman, the source also said:

Who do you believe, a CEO or a mid-level staffer? It was unsettling for her to make charges.

The name of the woman — who was in her early twenties at the time of the alleged incident — has been confirmed by PJ Media. We have chosen not to reveal her identity for reasons of discretion.

Both sources, one male and one female, worked at the time — mid-1990s — for the governmental affairs department of the National Restaurant Association, as did the woman.

(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; cainsexualharrass; cainslander; harrassment; herbcain; herman; hermancain; misogynist; pjm; sexual
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To: Strategerist
Unlike the Thomas accusations, this is actual physical contact.

She didn't say that. She just said she just woke up in a bed that belonged to him.

That being said, if he did cheat on his wife....I would be very disappointed. He just doesn't seem like that kind of person.

101 posted on 11/03/2011 10:37:37 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Go, Herman!)
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To: Retired Greyhound
It’s like the woman with cleavage that becomes outraged when a man stares at her boobs.

Yeah...when they are wearing stuff to show it off. Or have writing across their chest in BIG letters...or their backside.

102 posted on 11/03/2011 10:37:47 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: proud American in Canada
The "took advantage of me" could have been loosening her blouse when she was put in bed. Or maybe even that didn't happen, and she was just wrinkled and disheveled when she woke up hung over.

-PJ

103 posted on 11/03/2011 10:37:51 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: All

And here I thought our justice system was based on a person having the right to confront his/her accuser?

Silly me - when I was on our local school board - some nutty teacher wanted us to believe that our school superintendent “acted inappropriately” toward another unnamed teacher, but wanted to keep her identity a secret from him.

We said that if this unidentified person was unwilling to come forward in executive session and discuss this with us and the superintendent, she wasn’t going to be taken seriously.

She dropped the matter instantly. Can you imagine the lawsuit we would have endured if we fired the superintendent on such hearsay?


104 posted on 11/03/2011 10:37:52 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: Pollster1
Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up in his bed.

Er, Miss. Clarification, please: Were Mr. and Mrs. Cain in the bed at the time?

105 posted on 11/03/2011 10:38:01 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: relictele

Wow. That was a perfect response. Isn’t that exactly what’s going on here?

Only Mayella Ewell actually sat on the stand herself rather than third- and fourth-story accounts making the accusations, and her story didn’t shift every 5 minutes to an accusation of something worse.


106 posted on 11/03/2011 10:38:04 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: bbernard

What ever happened to last nights story that Cain’s campaign stated that a report would be coming out that would vindicate him?


107 posted on 11/03/2011 10:38:55 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Longbow1969
If he took her home and they slept in the same bed, Cain is finished. No way around it. Herman is a married man and even if she wasn’t pressured or harassed into anything, this would be enough to destroy him in the Republican party.

Then how come Newt is still in the running?

108 posted on 11/03/2011 10:39:22 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

I am the same way. I would take a parking ticket to the Supreme Court if I thought it was untrue.

But the corporate world is different. I don’t think Cain even had a say in it.


109 posted on 11/03/2011 10:39:58 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Paradox
So with you, it is the seriousness of the charges and not the veracity of the matter that is important?

How about applying a "reasonable man" standard before lynching someone over your moral standards? Or is proving his guilt not nearly as important as being seen as "morally upright"?

110 posted on 11/03/2011 10:40:05 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: LyinLibs

Is this the “Ivy League” babe?

Did Herman keep a secret “love nest” in DC?

Did the young babe see Herman’s “pepperoni”

SNL will have fun...


111 posted on 11/03/2011 10:40:59 AM PDT by luckybogey
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To: Strategerist

If Clarence Thomas looked like Denzel Washinton, Miss Anita Hill was have giggled “Oh Denzel go on with your bad self”. In Cains case it is a little different, IF there was physical contact and IF he was guilty of infidelity, that is a different story. Clarence Thomas may or may not have said inappropriate things just like Herman Cain may or may not have had sex with female employees. If he did, it’s bye bye Herman.


112 posted on 11/03/2011 10:41:05 AM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on behalf of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: Strategerist
Regardless of whether this is true or not, he’s done.

We can't accept that outcome.

If it is not true, it cannot be allowed to become the SOP, or a Republican will never be elected to high office again.

-PJ

113 posted on 11/03/2011 10:41:21 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Ravenstar

I remember the ‘92 election when Clinton was one of many democrat contenders. There was a political cartoon showing them all on a river to doom (GHWB was considered an easy second termer at the time), each one riding an inner tube carrying them to certain doom of a waterfall onto rocks.

This one showed Clinton as the first to take the plunge. On his inner tube was the name of what “did him in”: “Gennifer Flowers”.

‘Cept it didn’t.


114 posted on 11/03/2011 10:41:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Night Hides Not

It’s half the reason Newt can’t rise about 10% in any polls.

(The other half is his big government, technocratic bipartisanship.)

That said, it’s looking more and more like Newt’s the best candidate we have unless Palin jumps in.


115 posted on 11/03/2011 10:42:00 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: bbernard

I don’t even get this story. Is she saying she got drunk and went home with the boss? She came back to work a few days later, all upset? Did he lock her in a room for a few days? How did he take advantage of her? Did he force her to get drunk at a business affair? Did he have a gun and forced her into the cab? Does she know what happens when a cute 20-something gets into the boss’s bed?

How is it harassment to sleep with your boss?

Now, do I like that If If If the story is true, it means Cain cheated on his wife? No.

But here is our choice:

Mitt Romney (probably didn’t cheat) or Herman Cain (might have cheated)

Then in the general Herman Cain (might have cheated) or Obama (might have cheated with a man).

I am still supporting Cain. Hoping he will just spill his guts about his marital indiscretions or else just say this is between me and my wife. I’d like him to vow not to be busy cheating in The white house. I want him to be honest though.


116 posted on 11/03/2011 10:42:47 AM PDT by Yaelle (Donate to Cain today to show the media they can't choose our candidate this time.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Gennifer Flowers was before the democratic nomination for the 1992 election. It had no impact on Clinton and was far worse than the worst we have heard here so far.


117 posted on 11/03/2011 10:42:47 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: bbernard
We are looking for the next President, not a new preacher.

IF it turns out that Cain got drunk and had a one-nighter twenty years ago, it would be disappointing.

HOWEVER, it does not preclude him from being the man with the nerve to turn back the clock on the government.

Perfect is the enemy of good.

I guarantee every person running will have personal things you or I might not like.

We must choose based on political position, not embarrassing personal indiscretions, even if they are true.

As I said, if true I am less enthusiastic about him, but Cain is still the pick of the litter.

118 posted on 11/03/2011 10:42:52 AM PDT by teenyelliott (welcome to the Twilight Zone)
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To: Dead Corpse
So with you, it is the seriousness of the charges and not the veracity of the matter that is important?

You did see the if's, didn't you? If and if, I am still witholding final judgement, but I can tell you, no matter what I even think, in the end, its all about how other will judge him, he could be sunk at this point. Waiting to see how he responds.

119 posted on 11/03/2011 10:42:58 AM PDT by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: bbernard

This is current and typical liberal media un-sourced, unverified accusations standards.

When I was at net, a reporter would have been fired for suggesting such a story!


120 posted on 11/03/2011 10:43:12 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: NELSON111

I hate to say this but if you can be bought off for one year’s severance pay how much abuse did you suffer? Plus why did you have to leave your position in the first place if you were the victim? I’m just not buying it.


121 posted on 11/03/2011 10:43:13 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Taking advantage of Monica Lewinsky was no big deal to them, so why should this be?

People need to stop being astonished by this; it's obviously a bigger deal when a famous evangelical pastor has gay sex with young men than when a left-wing openly-gay congressman has sex with young men, for example.

The hypocrisy angle is what infuriates people when it's moral indiscretions among loudly self-identified social conservatives.

122 posted on 11/03/2011 10:43:35 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: bbernard
Seems to me that I read somewhere that a person has the right to face their accusers
123 posted on 11/03/2011 10:43:40 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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To: MrShoop

“He isn’t sharing the source’s names, they aren’t anonymous to him..”

Well he isn’t a court. And he is hiding names and passing along a story.

When some of these “people” have the balls to show themselves, then we can talk.

Anonymous is not a valid excuse.


124 posted on 11/03/2011 10:44:01 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

You mean the married, christian, pastor, etc. who can’t remember any indiscretions?

That guy?


125 posted on 11/03/2011 10:44:27 AM PDT by Chasaway
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To: Warren_Piece

True. If Cain came out and said that he brought her home, had her sleep on the couch, and sent her home, then I’d take him at his word. But based on the few bits of information, it sound much more likely that something consensual happened, which isn’t harassment, but isn’t honoring his marriage either..


126 posted on 11/03/2011 10:44:39 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: ohioman

I liked it sooooo much I read it all three times.


127 posted on 11/03/2011 10:44:57 AM PDT by Carl from Marietta (Cain, there's a new sherrif in town.)
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To: Paradox

I agree. I have supported Cain all the way, but I won’t vote for an adulterer if somehow this turns out to be true.

Ross Perot once fired one of his top guys at EDS when he discovered the man was cheating. The man was incredulous, reminding Perot how much he had done for the company.

Perot simply said, “If your wife can’t trust you, I can’t trust you”.

Presently, I have no reason to believe that Herman Cain cheated on his wife. This seems like a seek and destroy mission.


128 posted on 11/03/2011 10:44:57 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: cuban leaf

Are we all losing sight of the fact that this story is completely different from the one her lawyer was telling just a day ago??


129 posted on 11/03/2011 10:44:59 AM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: Retired Greyhound
“But the corporate world is different. I don’t think Cain even had a say in it.”

That may be; I don't think any of us have enough info yet to make a firm decision on the merits. I have been trying not to comment on this; as I figure it will come to a resolution pretty quickly.

If he is guilty or not guilty of bad conduct; lets get it figured out now.

We don't have much time left to get behind a candidate.

130 posted on 11/03/2011 10:45:02 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: bbernard
*sigh*

Well, at least we can be sure of one thing: the current Governor of the great state of Texas has never stepped out on his lovely wife.

If a man's own wife can't trust him, how can the nation's voters?

131 posted on 11/03/2011 10:45:34 AM PDT by jla (Who says Perry's a conservative? - Rush, Inhofe, Levin, Palin, Blackwell & Sowell do.)
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To: Warren_Piece
Agreed. Lots of red flags by the clever wording of the article let alone the here-say accusations from anonymous sources. More of the same but turned up a notch.
132 posted on 11/03/2011 10:46:04 AM PDT by 07Jack
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To: Retired Greyhound
Taking advantage of Monica Lewinsky was no big deal to them, so why should this be?

It should have been for Clinton too. We know why it wasn't. Didn't help that Monica was actively pursuing him, not the case here.

The naysayers need to get real. If this happened to one of their daughters they wouldn't call it sexual harassment. They'd call it rape.

(All of the above assumes that the story and the logical implication are true. I suppose he could have taken her to his apt because she was smashed, put her in the bed and slept on the sofa ....)

133 posted on 11/03/2011 10:46:24 AM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: Ravenstar
“Normally I would agree but then why wasn’t it the end of Bill Clinton!?! This is a smear campaign plain and simple.”

Any conservative should know there are double standards for Conservatives vs liberals. A liberal has to be found with a dead girl, or a live boy, for a scandal to bring them down.

For a conservative the standard reverts back to the current accepted Corp standard : Have sex or any inapproiate behavior with an underling and you are toast.

It may not be fair but it is the current rule.

134 posted on 11/03/2011 10:46:31 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: bbernard
Herman took advantage of seniority and power with a young woman. It was an abuse of power.

How??? He did WHAT?? Touched her? Touched his chin? The doorknob? What's with the ****ing innuendo stuff? Get specific or GTFO!

135 posted on 11/03/2011 10:46:35 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Hurrah me boys, for FREEDOM! `Tis the risin` o` the moon!)
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To: Reagan Man

Rush took you “didn’t handle it well” people to the woodshed today, made that argument look ridiculous.


136 posted on 11/03/2011 10:46:43 AM PDT by Carl from Marietta (Cain, there's a new sherrif in town.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Where does it say he had sex with her?

What if Cain took her there because he knew she would be safe there, not willing for her to be left alone in her admittedly drunken condition, to be taken advantage of by someone else?

This is getting absurd. This could of all been an act of kindness so this subordinate could be safe.

But no, we have her cheating on his wife; raping a passed out woman; getting a woman drunk and taking advantage of her. Based on what?

Innuendo? Misleading “facts”? Unprovable assumptions?

Cain’s character has been attested to many times by others. I am not willing to believe the worse until it is proven.

I have had enough of this anonymous source horse sh#t. If you are going to ruin a man, I want to know who you are.


137 posted on 11/03/2011 10:46:55 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom.)
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To: bbernard
It is strange how the alleged victim's story is evolving from something Cain said or a gesture that was "untoward" TO her spending the night in his bed. And adding to the high strangeness is the fact that the latter is loaded with innuendo since there is no mention of Cain being there or of their having sex.

On top of all that is claim by the girl that she was "taken advantage of"...that is dripping with the suggestion of rape.

All this considered, a $35,000 settlement doesn't seem commensurate with this growing pile of allegations.

138 posted on 11/03/2011 10:46:57 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: 9YearLurker
Let's see: More anonymous sources. No evidence. Claim that she spent the night in Mr. Cain's apartment, even though no one actually SAW this happen.

Bill Clinton: Actually had a sample of his seed on Monica Lewinsky's dress, irrevocably proving he committed sexual harassment. Also, both Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broderick publicly accused Bill Clinton of trying to force himself on them (he was allegedly succesful in Broderick's case).

Damn, you're right. Cain is clearly much worse than Bill Clinton. Nice try, Romneybot.

139 posted on 11/03/2011 10:47:25 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Political Junkie Too

I’d like to know why the story keeps changing. And he ran for office before, I think—wouldn’t that come out then?


140 posted on 11/03/2011 10:47:27 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Go, Herman!)
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To: jla

We are not voting for Perry, thanks.


141 posted on 11/03/2011 10:47:45 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Prokopton
What ever happened to last nights story that Cain’s campaign stated that a report would be coming out that would vindicate him?

He was talking about the Forbes Magazine article that came out that was just him blaming Perry. That is what Cain said would "Vindicate Him", blame Perry.

142 posted on 11/03/2011 10:47:53 AM PDT by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)
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To: Paradox
its all about how other will judge him

This has frustrated me on hundreds of threads for years; people cannot distinguish between your OWN opinions, and your analysis/prediction of the opinions of millions of OTHER people.

When I proclaim someone unelectable, it has nothing to do with my personal opinion of the candidate; it's based on my analysis of how the electorate as a whole will likely view a candidate. One problem is that I think a lot of people here don't really have any Democratic friends or family, so they're out of touch with the national Gestalt.

143 posted on 11/03/2011 10:48:02 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: bbernard; wmfights; P-Marlowe

Not looking good: all it will take is the right amount of money to bring her forward. They will buy her forward if her story is: (1) hard to refute whether true or not, (2) if it is has some level of circumstantial evidence.


144 posted on 11/03/2011 10:48:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: bbernard

I could have just as easily said that Michele Obambi “does it with donkeys”. Hard not to believe though cause she’s been “doing” a jackass for years


145 posted on 11/03/2011 10:48:08 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Today, any man who has climbed a corporate executive ladder is very likely to have sexual harassment settlements in his history. It comes with the territory, if you insist on your staff getting the job done, regardless of whatever else might come up. This is also true for women who have climbed the corporate ladder.

I do not consider sexual harassment settlements a defining mark on any candidate.


146 posted on 11/03/2011 10:48:13 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2.009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: bbernard; Cincinatus' Wife; shield; casinva

Hey, this ain’t nothing!

There were folks on here in the last day or so that said they’d support Cain if they had pictures of him with a goat!

Being in bed with someone that’s not his wife; not recalling it; blaming everyone else for “trashing” him...that’s nothing!

We need this guy in the White House! If he could pull all of this off by just being head of Godfather’s Pizza...well, imagine what he could do as the most powerful man in the world!!!

Woo-Hoo!!!

/s


147 posted on 11/03/2011 10:48:17 AM PDT by Chasaway
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To: bbernard

Please note the similar treatment Cain is receiving now to what Palin was subject to the last 2 years...and the common thread behind both becomes clear. This is a bipartisan lynching courtesy of the RinoCracy.

We the People are only to “be allowed” certain candidates....


148 posted on 11/03/2011 10:48:40 AM PDT by mo
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To: Strategerist

—Regardless of whether this is true or not, he’s done.—

You might want to read up on the Thomas incident. And how his response changed that. This is just getting started, and it’s great publicity.


149 posted on 11/03/2011 10:48:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Vigilanteman
... some ditzy story about public hairs on a Coke can?

Given the texture of the hair on then-Mr Thomas' head, I have always wondered how Ms Hill could distinguish well enough to assert that what she saw was a "public hair."

150 posted on 11/03/2011 10:49:04 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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