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Cast of Characters in the Lynching of Herman Cain
Voices Empower ^ | November 3, 2011 | Donna Garner

Posted on 11/03/2011 8:55:58 PM PDT by Southnsoul

Chris Wilson of Wilson Research Strategies has said publicly that while he was working for Herman Cain at the National Restaurant Association (NRA) in the late 1990′s that he personally saw Cain sexually harass a woman at a restaurant in Virginia although Wilson has not said exactly what he believes constituted his claim of “harassment.”

WHO IS CHRIS WILSON?

Chris Wilson was the Executive Director of the Republican Party of Texas under then-governor George W. Bush. Chris Wilson worked very closely with Karl Rove. Rove was known to us in Texas as the “master of dirty political tricks. ” I suspect that Rove taught Chris Wilson the art of deception.

KARL ROVE

Karl Rove has been accused of being the source behind countless dirty tricks, whisper campaigns, smear tactics, and character assassinations.

I have dealt personally with Karl Rove.

(Excerpt) Read more at voicesempower.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; backfire; cain; hannity; hermancain; rove; scandal; smear
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This is interesting and really laid out well... check out the section on Rove, who I still suspect is involved somehow in this smear campaign against Cain.
1 posted on 11/03/2011 8:55:59 PM PDT by Southnsoul
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To: Southnsoul
he personally saw Cain sexually harass a woman at a restaurant in Virginia although Wilson has not said exactly what he believes constituted his claim of “harassment.”

The best thing about sexual harassment, for the accuser, is that it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks, as long as she/he thinks it's harassment, then it is. And millions should be paid for this interpretation.

2 posted on 11/03/2011 8:58:16 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Southnsoul
check out the section on Rove, who I still suspect is involved somehow in this smear campaign against Cain.

I sure hope this isn't true.
3 posted on 11/03/2011 9:02:24 PM PDT by bearsgirl90
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To: Darkwolf377

Rove is a a piece of work. I don’t trust him or like him in the least and I find it hard to believe anything he says. I don’t believe he cares for the republican party as much as he cares for his click of friends and himself.


4 posted on 11/03/2011 9:02:57 PM PDT by jimpick
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To: Southnsoul

The shaved rat Rove definitely has his claws in this


5 posted on 11/03/2011 9:03:12 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: Darkwolf377
as long as she/he thinks it's harassment, then it is.

lol! Unfortunately, that is true.

There was a complaint filed in my office by a male worker who claimed sexual harassment because a female coworker was wearing her skirts too short and her blouses were cut too low. I had to remind her of the dress code and all was resolved.

6 posted on 11/03/2011 9:06:10 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: jimpick

I don’t hate (or love) Rove the way some do here. It was only until he lost elections when we stopped with the ‘Rove you magnificent bastard!” tags around here.

I don’t feel the hatred toward him because he is no different than when he was on ‘our’ side. He was and is a country club Republican, and always has been. It just happened that his and our interests intersected for awhile.

He’s a typical DC operative, and one of the reasons we need someone like Palin (who I had trouble with as a candidate for Prez) doing what she does, working toward cleaning house at the RNC. No more Rockefeller Republicans—their time is long, LONG over.


7 posted on 11/03/2011 9:06:21 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Southnsoul
>>>>>I am not the brightest bulb in the lamp, but I can connect the dots.

You can say that again. When I connect the dots it shows Donna Garner is an idiot. With no evidence or proof whatsoever, this bitch engages in slander and libel then has the audacity to call her tripe ".. the Lynching of Herman Cain".

8 posted on 11/03/2011 9:06:40 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Southnsoul
Wilson is also a pollster, the one working for perry, his last bogus Iowa poll was posted here by the perrywinkles and not one word about the fact it was perry's poll. He has an office in austin, texas across the street from perry. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2801469/posts
9 posted on 11/03/2011 9:09:07 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: South40

A lot of guys probably think it would be great to work with a woman who wears very revealing clothing. However, that sort of clothing can get to be a distraction. It’s inappropriate for business, unless one’s business is exotic dancing.


10 posted on 11/03/2011 9:09:39 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Aspire to be good!)
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To: Darkwolf377
...millions should be paid for this interpretation.

Why?

11 posted on 11/03/2011 9:10:54 PM PDT by econjack
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To: South40

There are indeed cases of sexual harassment, but for me the operative word is ‘harassment.’ A workplace can set all sorts of rules for behavior, and employees must adhere or walk. Typically it’s about one employee giving another a tough time, repeatedly, in a sustained manner.

But sexual harassment adds ‘sex’ to the case even though this is in direct contradiction to all liberal ideas about sex—about how it’s no big deal, it’s not love it’s just a physical act like going to the bathroom, women are just as into it as men and as capable of going out and getting what they want, etc. The merchants of resentment have cultivated this bizarre split in women—they are at the same time capable of fighting and dying on the battlefield AND they will come apart and need financial settlements if someone flirts with them.

I’m NOT saying real sexual harassment doesn’t happen. I’m saying women have been approached and they’ve forcefully said “Get the hell away from me or I’ll call the cops.” That they may have to do this to someone in a power position is one of the harsh realities of the world. But they’re just as capable as men, so they can handle it—right?


12 posted on 11/03/2011 9:11:49 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Amazing insight there! I hope more here read it and take it to heart.

I started to read Rove’s book. While I respect him for rising from his humble beginnings, his book.....well....let’s just say my “internal Jiminey Cricket” is sounding its alarm. OK I could not finish Rove’s autobiography, nor could I finish Gerson’s “Courageous Conservatism” for the same reasons.

Both men put winning elections above what is right for the nation, which is precisely WHY we are in such a mess today.


13 posted on 11/03/2011 9:12:17 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture....all should be preserved)
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To: econjack

I was being sarcastic.


14 posted on 11/03/2011 9:12:25 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: South40; Darkwolf377

BTW, forgive me for taking the thread a bit off topic with the post about business attire.

In regards to the topic, as much as I dislike Rove, what reason would he have to destroy Cain? Does he favor of any of the candidates in particular?


15 posted on 11/03/2011 9:13:24 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Aspire to be good!)
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To: Southnsoul

After listening to the slithering, cloying verbiage from Rove this afternoon on Hannity’s radio show, I’m convinced Rove is using it to help his favorite rino, Romney, by feint praising Herman. Rove spent more time trying to intimate that ‘this thing’ will not go away until Herman does something Rove approves of, which is tantamount to Rove just repeating the false allegations. Rove is a slimey spittleghost.


16 posted on 11/03/2011 9:15:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Rove is an establishment Republican. Romney is the establishment Republican candidate.


17 posted on 11/03/2011 9:18:57 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: jimpick
I don’t believe [Rove] cares for the republican party as much as he cares for his click of friends and himself.

Rove believes his clique of friends and himself ARE the Republican Party.

18 posted on 11/03/2011 9:20:35 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Reagan Man

Copy that.
Ms. Garner is somewhat haunted by the little people in her head. Obviously the butler did it....with Scarlett in the library with a pipe.
Or was it Scarlett’s maid who used to write for the Post who was last employed by building maintenance at Politico.
It’s people like her that know - I mean really know - their entire family tree.


19 posted on 11/03/2011 9:22:48 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: jimpick; Southnsoul

>>> Rove is a a piece of work.

Yet it isn’t Rove for whom cash had to be paid out to women over sexual harassment. And it wasn’t Rove who daily has had to “adjust” his explanation of the story. Just sayin’.

The finger pointing in EVERY direction based on no evidence whatsoever would be comical if it didn’t benefit Obama. A Keystone Kops farce but without the gravitas.


20 posted on 11/03/2011 9:24:44 PM PDT by tlb
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To: Southnsoul

So Caine says its Perry and Rove and Perry dislike each other .....so THEY say.
Does not compute

Rove has a job on TV now .....why would he jeopardize that?

I dont buy it


21 posted on 11/03/2011 9:26:05 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: MHGinTN
I caught Rove on Hannity today.

This is what the Japanese call 本音 and 建前.  (honne vs. tatemae).

The former is what one says just for the public, or to make a good image, or keep things peaceful. The latter is what one REALLY thinks and does, what is hidden, what is the true intent.

In that interview today, which is classic, Rove started out in the most conciliatory, gentle, friendly, praising, (bullshit) manner in discussing "Herman". This was his 建前. You could tell from the tone of his voice he did not mean it.

Then the interview continued and the tone of his voice began to change. He could not agree with Hannity that it had been unfair or gone on too long.

His voice started to escalate. Then he started in on the "this thing wont go away", and "gotta get out there in front of it", and all kinds of mennjuufukuhai type statements. Words said one thing which betrayed the real intent.

I suspect this guy.

Above anyone else.

He knows how to back channel, destroy people, stir the DC/Beltway media shit storm, then stand back and watch it all implode, but maintain a demeanor as if he had nothing to do with it.

I learned more from that brief Hannity interview today with Karl Rove than I think I ever learned. He was praising Herman whilst smacking him. It is so apparant he does not want Herman Cain to be the nominee for some reason. And out there, indeed, there is a SHCM (Stop Herman Cain Movement). They would have pulled this stuff against Duncan Hunter four years ago, but since he never went past Gandhi's Phase 1 (they basically ignored him, maybe a little ridicule here and there), he was never a true threat, so they did not need to smear him. Herman has moved up incredibly in the numbers in a most unconventional way, bypassing a whole system of slick political professionals, consultants, toadies, hangers on, beltway insiders, etc. and he has cut them out of the action $$$$), and they do NOT take kindly to this! We have not heard the last from this segment of the Republican Establishment, believe me. I wonder what their next move will be? One thing is for sure, they will need to maintain maximum plausible deniability, but I think we are in a new age here cyber-wise, where they can and will eventually be unmasked and it will backfire in their faces.

22 posted on 11/03/2011 9:28:10 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Mr. Cain: Back on message now; let the rest of us ferret out the gutter crap who planted that smear)
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To: okie01

Political people believe in winning ....Rove wants to win....thats all


23 posted on 11/03/2011 9:28:28 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: Southnsoul
...check out the section on Rove, who I still suspect is involved somehow in this smear campaign against Cain.

The day after the story broke, Rove was on the O'Reilly Factor. And he was flogging the story for all it was worth. Selling it!

This was even after the story was beginning to fall apart. But Rove acted like he didn't want it to die.

I couldn't help thinking Rove had an investment in the story.

24 posted on 11/03/2011 9:29:49 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: All
addendum:

本音 (honne), what one really thinks

建前 (tatemae) what is said for public consumption, i.e. basically a lie or a mistruth committed for a larger intent in mind

25 posted on 11/03/2011 9:30:56 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Mr. Cain: Back on message now; let the rest of us ferret out the gutter crap who planted that smear)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I call them ‘spittle ghosts’ because they spittle forth poison while seeking to remain ‘outside of the realities’.


26 posted on 11/03/2011 9:32:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: CitizenUSA

I don’t suspect Rove. He’s too smart to know this kind of thing can blow up in your face. If he’s for Romney, then he knows that Romney is doing just fine in the STATE polls he needs to do well in—the national polls are deceptive.


27 posted on 11/03/2011 9:32:27 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: okie01
Oh he does alright but he is trying a delicate balancing act.

Quite interestingly, Mr. Rove is walking it back a bit, trying to detach himself from it, all the while somehow keep it alive. A very delicate balancing act. Listen to his voice. You will know the parts when he is really telling his true soul. He is probably afraid as this thing could blow up in his face and embarrass him big time. I think he sees the numbers shifting against this kind of attack politics and he does not want to "own it". Success knows many fathers but failure is an orphan. I think he is ever so sensitively involved in an "abandon ship!" operation on this Establishment Smear as we speak. Now is the time to go on offense and find out how and who planted this and stirred it.

28 posted on 11/03/2011 9:35:25 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Mr. Cain: Back on message now; let the rest of us ferret out the gutter crap who planted that smear)
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To: woofie
Rove has a job on TV now .....why would he jeopardize that?

Because that's a sideline.

His real job is running American Crossroads, the 527 that works with the big GOP donors. Which is also Romney-friendly.

29 posted on 11/03/2011 9:35:31 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Southnsoul

I wouldn’t trust Tokyo or Mitt as far as I could throw them. For some reason I just don’t think it was Perry.


30 posted on 11/03/2011 9:36:37 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Darkwolf377

I agree.... I think in Rove’s mind and the anointed ones they see a Romney /Caine ticket as the winning hand..... Romney to pacify the the mainstream and Caine to pacify the right wing

similar to McCaine/ Palin


31 posted on 11/03/2011 9:36:47 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: MHGinTN

It has many of the trappings of a “black ops.”


32 posted on 11/03/2011 9:37:21 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Mr. Cain: Back on message now; let the rest of us ferret out the gutter crap who planted that smear)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Sure does ...


33 posted on 11/03/2011 9:38:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Southnsoul

Mark Levin really went off on a caller tonight who suggested Carl Rove had something to do with the Cain story. Said Carl was a real problem for conservatives, but would have not been involved in this.

Wilson did nobody any favors which his post-”scandal” “expose” of the one night in question. All innuendo, didn’t give any details, claimed he was not allowed to do so, but was able to say it was bad. Sorry — either you talk, or you shut up. None of this “if you only knew what I know” crap.


34 posted on 11/03/2011 9:42:00 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Darkwolf377

Well, in this case, they only paid $45,000. Which was a lot of money for the woman apparently, but not much for a major organization.

I don’t think it was as easy to make big bucks with a sex claim as some say. And it wasn’t easy on the woman either — you pretty much had to leave the job if you made a claim, because people would treat you differently.

Not excusing the women, or suggesting there was anything there. Just saying it wasn’t very lucrative for them, and isn’t a trivially easy thing for a woman to do.


35 posted on 11/03/2011 9:44:32 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Java4Jay

This stinks of Rove and his whiteboard lies.


36 posted on 11/03/2011 9:45:11 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I think he is ever so sensitively involved in an "abandon ship!"

A perfect characterization of Rove's performance on Hannity today. No more sales pitch. Instead, he tried to shove the issue into the Cain campaign's lap -- telling them to "deal with it" and "move on".

37 posted on 11/03/2011 9:45:56 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: woofie
Political people believe in winning ....Rove wants to win....thats all

Rove wants his guy to win.

Problem is, officially, he's not working for anybody.

38 posted on 11/03/2011 9:47:57 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: org.whodat

Every campaign hires a polling firm. Well, every campaign with money. And maybe Cain doesn’t have one.

Wilson’s tie-in to this story is that his firm was employed by the NRA. So he was the NRA’s pollster during the Cain years (I wonder if that means Cain hired him — I haven’t figured out what the delegation of authority was at the NRA, Cain was CEO so you’d think he be in charge of hiring and firing, the board clearly was just oversight as they didn’t know about the harrassment claims.

But I can’t believe that one of his polls was posted here and not ONE freeper pointed out that he polled for Perry. Are you sure of that? I mean, didn’t you say something, or did it happen while you were out?


39 posted on 11/03/2011 9:48:14 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Darkwolf377

When I was 20 I worked for a manufacturing company as a receptionist. I answered to one of the senior (elderly) partners of the company who was actually a great man. The sales manager and sales staff were all men... not one woman at that time was in a position of management or sales/marketing. I was a pretty introverted kid at that time. The sales manager came into the copy room (very small room) and pinned me up against the copy machine where I was working. It took me by surprise. I grew up with an older brother who taught me how to fight so instinctively I turned and belted him. I had no idea who I had smacked, but when I saw it was a manager I was pretty sure I was going to be fired. Funny thing. Every single one of those little smirky sexist punks on that sales team started treating me with a heck of a lot of respect after that.


40 posted on 11/03/2011 9:57:44 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
No CEOs do not hire and fire, that is why you have a personal department. It is a really new thing, I think they will have degree in personal management in the next few years. SAC off.

And no, no one knew the Wilson jerk was an employee of perry's. I looked up who he was after the interview. The miss direct of the perry team was he, Wilson was from Oklahoma and had ties to mitt.

41 posted on 11/03/2011 9:59:19 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Reagan Man

I think she is right on. Your guys who are performing this lynching are the idiots.


42 posted on 11/03/2011 10:00:09 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: South40

Rove had that little pasty white toothy grin going on while he scribbled on his white board just before this cr@p hit the fan. These people are so transparent.


43 posted on 11/03/2011 10:01:53 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee

Good for you.

I’m NOT NOT NOT saying sexual harassment is a fiction, or that women ‘deserve’ to be treated with anything less than the complete respect all people deserve.

What I am saying is that there are harsh realities in life. If your response were more common back in the day, then the women of today wouldn’t even have to think about it, because women should treat any harassment anywhere with the same response.

My one area of disagreement, though, is about the ‘right’ of someone to work somewhere, or that they put up with harassment because they ‘need the job’ or whatever. If someone is harassing you, and you stop them, that person is still there, and you (or anyone) has to decide if that simple reality is acceptable.

I’ve left many jobs because of the conditions of the place, not having to do with harassment or such. That’s life—if you don’t like working someplace, leave. We should be taught that kind of self-respect.


44 posted on 11/03/2011 10:03:04 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: okie01

Maybe so but I think is Jack the ripper gets the nomination Karl Rove will decide he’s a nice enough guy and back him.

I think one of the most instructive lessons in politics is the marriage of Mary Matlin and James Carville ....I think they do believe in their respective points of view but only so far.....so such a marriage is possible .

Karl Rove will certainly stand against a wind to a pont. ....then if the wind blows hard enough off he will go in that direction ....in short If Caine survives and prospers Rove will fully back him.


45 posted on 11/03/2011 10:04:50 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: antceecee
Good evening antceecee! :-)

Rove is despicable. He has become Romney's biggest cheerleader. I can't watch or listen to him.

46 posted on 11/03/2011 10:06:03 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

This is such a great post... don’t know where to begin...except to say that yes I agree “I suspect this guy”.


47 posted on 11/03/2011 10:10:53 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee

“Atta Girl”


48 posted on 11/03/2011 10:14:04 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: okie01
Beltway Spin -- and win at all costs, even if you unfairly crush your opponents by breaking the Lord's Commandment regarding bearing false witness. Yep, that's the KR I know alright. Real hard ball kinda' guy.

I doubt they will have any feature profile on him in the near future on the mini radio show, "Character Counts".

49 posted on 11/03/2011 10:16:45 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Mr. Cain: Back on message now; let the rest of us ferret out the gutter crap who planted that smear)
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To: Darkwolf377

I think that in early 1970’s office politics were such that women in the office were “tested” by the dominant males and if they succumbed to sleeping with the boss to get ahead that was accepted, if they slugged the guy... they might be fired, but then again in my case it put the horndogs on notice and they pretty much went away to pursue easier prey. I do have to say that in that same office there was a woman in her late 30’s who was quite the cougar. In the case of some of the junior salesmen... I think she scared the heck out of some of them. So office behavior by both sexes could be inappropriate, especially when measured by today’s PC standards.


50 posted on 11/03/2011 10:19:43 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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