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Vatican stunned by Irish embassy closure
Reuters ^ | November 4, 2011 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 11/04/2011 7:02:26 AM PDT by decimon

Catholic Ireland's stunning decision to close its embassy to the Vatican is a huge blow to the Holy See's prestige and may be followed by other countries which feel the missions are too expensive, diplomatic sources said on Friday.

The closure brought relations between Ireland and the Vatican, once ironclad allies, to an all-time low following the row earlier this year over the Irish Church's handling of sex abuse cases and accusations that the Vatican had encouraged secrecy.

Ireland will now be the only major country of ancient Catholic tradition without an embassy in the Vatican.

"This is really bad for the Vatican because Ireland is the first big Catholic country to do this and because of what Catholicism means in Irish history," said a Vatican diplomatic source who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; diplomacy; ireland; romancatholicism; vatican
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1 posted on 11/04/2011 7:02:28 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

WEIRD


2 posted on 11/04/2011 7:09:23 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: decimon

Good move on the part of Ireland.


3 posted on 11/04/2011 7:09:42 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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4 posted on 11/04/2011 7:10:22 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: decimon

Sadly, it seems to take many, many whacks between the eyeballs with a 2 by 4 to deliver a message to the Vatican.


5 posted on 11/04/2011 7:13:31 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: decimon

Ireland is broke. The Vatican has wealth uncounted.

If having an Irish consulate is so important to the “Holy See”, then maybe they should pay for it.


6 posted on 11/04/2011 7:16:51 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: MrEdd

Yep. The sex scandal, and it’s institutionalized coverup has been the biggest blow to the Catholic Church in a long time.

“Do as I say and not as I do”, doesn’t go over too well for parents nor other authority figures. But when it’s coming from God’s representatives on Earth? It’s unconscionable.


7 posted on 11/04/2011 7:16:53 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: MrEdd

yes. The socialists and communists win. Nice support for the socialists from the “get them Caflix” bunch.


8 posted on 11/04/2011 7:21:15 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: SengirV

as Dennis Miller describes it when he enters the confessional.....”You first!”


9 posted on 11/04/2011 7:22:45 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: decimon

This won’t last long. Over the last 200 years nearly every ‘Catholic’ country in the world has cut its ties to the Vatican at one time or another—France, Spain, Mexico even Italy! Usually they were forced to reverse their decision as their national interst began to suffer. Like it or not the Catholic Church is the largest and most global religion in the world. This severence usually occured at he time of the ascendency of a bitterly ant-Christain cabal, dominating politics by fraud and stealth and in partcular dominating media and academia. This is currently the case in Ireland, when the main national newspaper, the Irish Times is run by, and its main feature writer are extreme Left-wing loons. The National Broadcasting Service, RTE (think NPR only worse) has been dominated by the Marxist wing of Sinn Fein foe decades. The princial mission of all these forces (as in the US is the destruction of the Family and the destruction of Christianity and the substitution of their own totlitarian project. One major tactic they use is to front ‘moderates’ to disguise their agenda. Thus on national television, well know Irish Broadcaters like Gay Byrne have been the unknowing ‘useful idiots’, while in politics that role was taken by the 1980s Prime Minister Garret Fitzgerald. These are sad days for the Church in Ireland, but things have been worse in the past.


10 posted on 11/04/2011 7:26:08 AM PDT by Emerson C
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To: Cronos
So we can put Cronos down as asserting that only Socialists and Communists would insist that pedophiles be incarcerated to protect children and that nobody gets a pass for their position.

Have you taken this view of yours up with the site owner?

11 posted on 11/04/2011 7:30:55 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Nervous Tick
The Vatican has wealth uncounted.

Spiritual riches have no cash value. The Holy See gets by on a very tight budget, if you care to know the truth.

12 posted on 11/04/2011 7:31:46 AM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: decimon

perhaps somebody can find a link to another article to get an accurate report on this matter. Pullella articles are 80% fiction.


13 posted on 11/04/2011 7:36:06 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: Romulus

most of the ‘wealth’ is in art and buildings that don’t have
a ready market. they’ll never sell the Sistine Chapel.

they might make money by making their secret archives available to researchers though.


14 posted on 11/04/2011 7:41:21 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: campaignPete R-CT

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Catholic-Church-leaders-slam-decision-to-close-Irelands-Vatican-Embassy-133226173.html


15 posted on 11/04/2011 7:44:20 AM PDT by decimon
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To: Romulus

>> The Holy See gets by on a very tight budget

Yes, I’m sure various accounting tricks are used to make the budget seem tight for that “department”.

You and I both know how much wealth is stored up in the catholic church though. To pretend otherwise is highly disingenuous.


16 posted on 11/04/2011 7:44:42 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: RitchieAprile

Even if Holy Mother Church were to liquidate all of her assests today, the funds would be negligible and wouldn’t last much longer than a few days.


17 posted on 11/04/2011 7:46:45 AM PDT by Ax
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To: SengirV

The decision in the 1960s to allow homosexuals into the priesthood is what is at the root of all this.. good intentions, let them in if not practicing.. this allowed Satan directly into the church... and sadly now these folks are in positions of power to protect one another.


18 posted on 11/04/2011 7:46:59 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: RitchieAprile

Oooo, the SECRET ARCHIVES...

Do you not know that the Secret Archives are routinely open to credentialed scholars, as they have been for many years? It is not that different from using the Library of Congress or any other scholarly collection.


19 posted on 11/04/2011 7:48:37 AM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: Nervous Tick
You and I both know how much wealth is stored up in the catholic church though.

Since you know for a fact the sum total, how about providing the verifiable amount?

20 posted on 11/04/2011 7:49:14 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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