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Rick Perry Supports Work Visas For Undocumented Immigrants In US
Fox News ^ | November 4, 2011 | Associated Press

Posted on 11/04/2011 7:11:50 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free

During an interview with CNN's John King on Thursday, the Texas governor said that expectations that U.S. authorities are going to arrest and deport up to 15 million undocumented immigrants isn't realistic.

(Excerpt) Read more at latino.foxnews.com ...


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1 posted on 11/04/2011 7:11:53 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: Scotsman will be Free

When you click on the link it says page not found, but on the list of stories on the left side this one is at the top.


2 posted on 11/04/2011 7:13:10 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Does Perry still have a prayer?


3 posted on 11/04/2011 7:13:14 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Getting pretty thin, isn’t it.


4 posted on 11/04/2011 7:14:07 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: yldstrk

He could be the Romney VP.


5 posted on 11/04/2011 7:15:01 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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6 posted on 11/04/2011 7:17:02 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Border fence, Interstate Highways From Coast to Coast, Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam, Boston’s Big Dig, All Impossible!


7 posted on 11/04/2011 7:18:01 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: MrEdd

Mr Edd
Bite your tongue.

Romney will not be the candidate.


8 posted on 11/04/2011 7:19:03 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
You don't have to arrest and deport them, CFR-Ric.

Just don't give them jobs or free stuff.

They'll know what to do.

9 posted on 11/04/2011 7:19:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate. ®)
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To: MrEdd
There, you've now been scolded for your sacrilege. ;-)
10 posted on 11/04/2011 7:20:43 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Thisis what Perry really said..

You can put a program into place in which these individuals can be identified, and work visas in which they can move back and forth between their countries but not to become United States citizens,” Perry said. “And I think that’s where McCain, that’s where Romney, that’s where even Bush went wrong when they talked about the issue that, ‘we’re going to give amnesty to these individuals,’ and people just said, ‘no, we’re not.’”

Perry didn’t elaborate on what such a visa plan would look like, saying only that authorities need to determine a better way to identify illegal immigrants and make them part of mainstream society. He also said the program would only work if the federal government first does a better job securing America’s borders.

“I disagree with the concept that somehow or another we’re going to pack up 10, to 12, to 15 million people and ship them back to the country of origin. That’s not going to happen,” Perry said. “So realty has to be part of our conversation. And then you need to have a strategy to deal with it. That is what I think we will have, but first you have to secure that border.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/perry-suggests-us-visa-program-to-let-illegal-immigrants-come-and-go-freely-opposes-amnesty/2011/11/03/gIQADSAojM_story.html


11 posted on 11/04/2011 7:20:46 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Work visas to go back and forth between Mexico and the US. Great idea Ricardo. Not only will Americans lose more jobs but they’ll spend the money they make here in Mexico. In addition this idiot said the old mantra “we can’t just send millions of illegals home”. Hey dumb ass Ricardo you don’t send them all back at once, it takes time. The 25 million plus did not come here overnight. Turn off the spigot, jobs, welfare, education, free medical, food stamps, free housing. All this will help stem the tide.


12 posted on 11/04/2011 7:21:30 AM PDT by doc
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To: Scotsman will be Free; Liz; shield; Cincinatus' Wife
...the Texas governor said that expectations that U.S. authorities are going to arrest and deport up to 15 million undocumented immigrants isn't realistic.

A true statement on face value, but enforcing existing laws against illegal immigrants AND EMPLOYERS, and eliminating incentives like IN-STATE TUITION, would go further to encourage self-deportation. Something Perry has failed to do in Texas.

In other words: not legal = not welcome.

Knock first and enter via the FRONT DOOR when welcomed.

13 posted on 11/04/2011 7:22:37 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: yldstrk

I didn’t say he would.

I said Perry should drop out and form a ticket with him.
Sometimes candidates announce a VP during the primaries to cover their weaknesses.


14 posted on 11/04/2011 7:23:45 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: PLD

Yeah. Just read the Fox News article. It’s the same.


15 posted on 11/04/2011 7:23:45 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: MrEdd

Romney has way too many weaknesses. Perry would assist his position though, I suppose. but I think Perry is a globalist.


16 posted on 11/04/2011 7:25:14 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Just don't give them jobs or free stuff.

They'll know what to do.

A solution so simple that La Raza Rick simply can't comprehend it . . . why do you suppose that is?

17 posted on 11/04/2011 7:27:10 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

This is no surprise at all to most Texans. And what’s the big deal? We’ve been trying to get this for years. Buy a guest worker’s permit for a limited amount of time if you want to work here, get a TID and pay taxes. The state makes money off the permits and the feds get their damned taxes. Slam bam the crops get picked, the menial ranch work gets done and they go back home when their permit runs out.

It used to work perfectly, even without permits, until the Marxist democrats opened up the welfare state and the men started bringing their kids and squatting here instead.

In every instance if you let the Marxist democrats make decisions you’ve just screwed the pooch.

Look at Alabama. Their crops are rotting in their fields because everybody’s too damned good to go pick them and they’re losing a ton of money.

And the big laugh on you honkers thinking this is a bad deal is that the country is FULL OF FOREIGNERS right now brought in on H1B1 visa’s for specialized work areas. It’s already implemented US policy and you’re too stupid to know it.


18 posted on 11/04/2011 7:27:34 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: yldstrk
. . . but I think Perry is a globalist.

Do you really think so? What will we learn next? Maybe the Pope is Catholic?

19 posted on 11/04/2011 7:29:36 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: RowdyFFC

Most folks on FR know plenty about the H1B1 fiasco as well as other problems involving aliens, legal and illegal. The only stupid one I’ve seen on this site today is you, dumbass.


20 posted on 11/04/2011 7:30:53 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

With the economy the way it is today, why would u support illegals getting jobs, that Americans WILL DO.

If the economy was booming, u might get away it.
But jobless Americans will do many of the jobs illegals are doing now.

Perry is finished.


21 posted on 11/04/2011 7:31:04 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: DTogo
Nov 3, 2011: AP: ......"Perry said in an interview with CNN's John King on Thursday that expectations that U.S. authorities are going to arrest and deport up to 15 million illegal immigrants isn't realistic. He added, however, that other Republicans, including fellow Texan George W. Bush, went too far when they previously proposed an immigration overhaul that included a path to citizenship.

The Texas governor also claimed his chief rival for the Republican presidential nomination, Mitt Romney, had once supported amnesty. Romney has drawn criticism for hiring a lawn care company that employed illegal immigrants at his family's property in a Boston suburb for a decade — but has also said amnesty is not appropriate for illegal immigrants.

"You can put a program into place in which these individuals can be identified, and work visas in which they can move back and forth between their countries but not to become United States citizens," Perry said. "And I think that's where McCain, that's where Romney, that's where even Bush went wrong when they talked about the issue that, 'we're going to give amnesty to these individuals,' and people just said, 'no, we're not.'".....Source

22 posted on 11/04/2011 7:32:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: tennmountainman

Americans will do lots of jobs illegals currently do if we quit paying them to sit on their butts doing nothing.


23 posted on 11/04/2011 7:32:34 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Vigilanteman

Good, I am sooooooooooooooooo glad it is so obvious to you vigilante man. Do you have to be snotty about it? How about some more coffee?


24 posted on 11/04/2011 7:32:58 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Ouch, did the truth step on your toes just a little bit there, Bud? Having a little problem seeing how a guest worker program works? Too stupid to know that migrant farmworkers have been picking your crops and keeping your food prices down for more than 50 years?

We’re not stupid in Texas, Bud. When something needs to be done we find a real solution. Too bad most of the country, especially in your blue states, allow Marxist democrats to make your decisions for you, thus you never get a solution, just more problems.


25 posted on 11/04/2011 7:36:40 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: doc

Listen to what Sarah Palin says...

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sarah-palin-americans-must-learn-from-reagans-mistakes-on-illegal-immigration/


26 posted on 11/04/2011 7:37:57 AM PDT by PLD
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To: yldstrk

We have a mini construction boom going on around us here in San Diego. Lots of virtual new homes built on the skeltons of 50’s homes sitting on valuable lots. Unfortunately, I can count very few non-Hispanic’s working on them. I know they aren’t all illegals, but my guess would be at least 50%.
That also means that lots of them are not reporting income or paying taxes..plus taking a job from a citizen.
I will not support any candidate who in any way shape or form gives special status to those who have invaded our country. They should all be forced to go via the process from foreign soil before being granted any form of entry.
Perry will not get my vote or my money..he is talking amnesty.


27 posted on 11/04/2011 7:39:09 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: PLD

I totally agree with Rick Perry’s statement there. There is nothing wrong with having an honest conversation about this. I’d like to explore serious ways to deport 16 million illegals, too... before I’m all in with the “not realistic” remark.

One good thing is that this strategy could define who is here legally and put an end to the anchor baby business.

I don’t think anyone else has the depth and breadth of knowledge and experience on the illegal problem as Perry. I wonder though, is anyone on FR ready to have an honest conversation?


28 posted on 11/04/2011 7:40:56 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Developer of http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: RowdyFFC
And the big laugh on you honkers thinking this is a bad deal is that the country is FULL OF FOREIGNERS right now brought in on H1B1 visa’s for specialized work areas.

H1B1 Visas are not given to illegal aliens, like Perry wants to do with the "work permits". Big difference. In one the people go through our process and come here legally. In the other the people come here breaking our laws, as criminals. Perry wants to make no distinction between them. This, in my opinion, is immoral.

29 posted on 11/04/2011 7:43:38 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Even if we interview someone who is capable of doing the job and we make an offer, they often will accept the job during the interview, then not show up for work. Sometimes they do all the paperwork of a new hire, and I give them the form to take to the clinic for a drug test, and that’s the last I see of them. It’s extremely frustrating, to say the least. We have more work than we can do, we offer competitive wages and benefits, and we can’t get anyone to take the job. Apparently the young dudes don’t need to work anymore. They are living off their girlfriends, their parents, or the government. Or all three!
It becomes pretty clear to us — after this happens consistently for over a year — why these guys don’t accept a job. They never wanted it in the first place. They are obligated to apply for jobs to continue getting their unemployment benefits. But we sure as hell know what they don’t want: “WORK!?”

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/62386/the-lost-american-work-ethic/

While we are at it lets get ride of the welfare whores that keep having babies to collect the money so they don’t have to work except lay on their backs and pop out kids..


30 posted on 11/04/2011 7:49:33 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Prokopton

Oh Bull Hockey! If they have a guest worker permit, then they’re not illegal. And what’s more they’re not working here free, nor are they invited to stay permanently or given a fast track for citizenship. They pay for their permit, they pay taxes, they work, and they go home. If they want permanent citizenship, then they get in line like everybody else.

Just like the Texas Dream Act which NONE of you can wrap your head around. The Act does not give in-state tuition to illegals because the FIRST thing they have to do to start the program if file for citizenship and temporary resident status until they complete the requirement. Without becoming legal immigrants, NO TEXAS DREAM ACT.

The ignorance that abounds in the US proves why we’re in the mell of a hess that we’re in.


31 posted on 11/04/2011 7:52:11 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: bullypulpit

“I wonder though, is anyone on FR ready to have an honest conversation?”

Thanks for your well thought out post you get the gold star for the day..


32 posted on 11/04/2011 7:53:24 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Consider the logic here: If they get visas, they are no longer undocumented! /S


33 posted on 11/04/2011 7:53:24 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: TexasCajun
Impossible indeed! American engineers are awful!!!! /s

Maybe that's why Perry wants these work visas... illegals: doing the engineering Americans won't do.

34 posted on 11/04/2011 7:55:57 AM PDT by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: PLD

I wear my gold star proudly. Thanks.


35 posted on 11/04/2011 8:06:20 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Developer of http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: PLD

Yup. As long as it pays to sit around, the more sitting around we are gonna get.


36 posted on 11/04/2011 8:12:57 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: yldstrk
Read up on Reagan's Immigration Reform and Control Act
37 posted on 11/04/2011 8:14:27 AM PDT by laffnatu
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To: RowdyFFC

Nope. Just can’t stand arrogant, mouthy asshats like you. By the way, mouth, I made no claim that Texans were stupid, just you.


38 posted on 11/04/2011 8:17:16 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: RowdyFFC
Oh Bull Hockey! If they have a guest worker permit, then they’re not illegal.

Wrong. Entering this Country without the proper documents or in an unauthorized area is a crime, 6 months in prison for the first offense and 2 years in prison for the second, felony, offense. No matter what the person does after they commit the crime, they are still criminals. If these people are told they do not have to answer for their crimes, this is amnesty, pure and simple.

39 posted on 11/04/2011 8:19:16 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: MrEdd

More likely pres of mexico.

It is amazing that fr has its own amnesty activist group. Laws are optional for these people, if only they get to save few cents on their salad. The real cost; murders, dwi’s, overcrowded schools and hospitals and unsustainable welfare ponzi scheme do not worry these nativists.
We can’ do it attitude. Maybe perry should adopt this as his campaign slogan.


40 posted on 11/04/2011 8:19:32 AM PDT by heiss (heartless)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Secret is that most of them still won’t get work visas. They will continue to do exactly as they do.

Until the people that employ the ones who are here to work, are made to pay all the financial burden of hiring illegals it will continue.

They hire them, their family gets on welfare and gets free medical treatment and food off the taxpayers. Employer wins.

Now why would they mess with a visa?

Laws on the books should be enforced, border protected, and all freebies denied. Anchor baby status should also be addressed.


41 posted on 11/04/2011 8:20:03 AM PDT by dforest
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To: DTogo; Scotsman will be Free; South40; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; LucyT; caww; rintense; ...

You have to applaud suckup Perry for that convoluted pro-illegal statement-—as if the “witless wonder” could ever think up all of that by himself (/snix).

I mean, it’s just amazing how Perry can read wire tranfers from Mexico with a straight face. ROTFL.

It was recently reported that the majority of Texans DID NOT KNOW that Perry gave in-state tuition to illegals (and God knows what else). Because Perry’s goal is to make Mexico happy-—the heck with Texans.

Perry in power is downright frightening——he demonstrates his fervid contempt for voters at every turn. Perry’s disregard for the democratic process, and for our precious freedoms, is appalling.

All of his actions are self-serving-—to further himself at the expense of the republic.

God only knows what this “witless wonder” would do with presidential power.


42 posted on 11/04/2011 8:26:58 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: DTogo

Maybe not realistic but the feds need to behave as though it is realistic and just deport. Any other action,as we’ve seen,opens the door to everything and anything.


43 posted on 11/04/2011 8:29:57 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: RowdyFFC

I support a limited guest worker program as part of immigration reform. Perry does not seem to be talking about a limited guest worker program. He is talking about large scale amnesty. A limited guest worker program would allow companies to apply for tightly controlled visas. The visas would not allow families to come here, not allow the guest worker to stay even if he/she has a child while working here, and forces the guest worker to return to the home country after the visa period expires (most should expire within a year for seasonal work). I anticipate that an expanded guest worker program would be at most 1,000,000. Applicants for the slots must reside in Mexico, not the US.

Enforcement of existing immigration laws and attrition through denial of government benefits will solve the problem of existing illegal aliens. Wide spread deportation will not be needed. Most will return home voluntarily or stay in the shadows. If they break laws or become active politically, they will be deported.

Perry is not an acceptable candidate given his position on immigration. He is a Bush clone on immigration.


44 posted on 11/04/2011 8:34:24 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Prokopton

“Visas are not given to illegal aliens, like Perry wants to do with the “work permits”

I’m over simplifying here, but if they apply for work permits, and are on record, they aren’t in the same sense an “illegal alien” any longer.

I also do think a real conversation needs to be had about this whole illegal alien problem.

For example, say you are at a emergency room and in comes a mother with a badly injured child. You overhear enough of her conversation at the desk to know that she is an illegal alien. Then you see the nurse shake her head and shrug her shoulders. Then a security person shows up and takes the woman and child out to the parking lot. No medical care was provided.

Some people would have no problem with that, but I think most of us - realistically - would want to see the child helped. Can you imagine if a law was passed tomorrow making it punishable to provide medical care to undocumented persons?

So to the problem of rounding up 20-40 million (since we all know it’s at least this many illegals), and sending them back where they came from. What would really be involved in that roundup? I can’t imagine, and I have a great imagination, how that can be done successfully - not in under at least a decade.

Really need to start with employers, sanctuary cities, landlords. And yes, welfare. Not to defend Perry, but he didn’t create the problem. His answer isn’t perfect, but it’s more logical than some of the other “solutions” I have heard.

I expect you all would like to chew my head off now. Have at. But reality is that chucking out 20 million people overnight and then building a huge wall in no time flat can not happen.


45 posted on 11/04/2011 8:36:22 AM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: bullypulpit

I am glad!!Your post is very refreshing...


46 posted on 11/04/2011 8:41:29 AM PDT by PLD
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To: indylindy

Anchor babies are a key problem that need to be addressed. If all freebies, including medical, were eliminated as well as anchor baby priveleges and jobs, and protection by local govts the 15 to 40 million illegals would mostly self deport. The remainder could be policed up in a couple of years.


47 posted on 11/04/2011 8:45:01 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Ladysforest
I’m over simplifying here, but if they apply for work permits, and are on record, they aren’t in the same sense an “illegal alien” any longer.

Then they are granting amnesty.

"Amnesty: the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals"

If the government, by issuing work permits, pardons a groups prior illegal acts, than they, by definition, are granting amnesty.

You can't have it both ways.

48 posted on 11/04/2011 8:50:49 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

If blanket work permits, with no expiration date, for the entire population of illegals were being suggested, you would be correct.

If it is on a person by person basis, and the permits have an expiration date, then they are not being granted amnesty. The permits do not make them automatically US citizens, nor quarantine a path to citizenship. It is an application to work, for a specified period of time, while paying US taxes.

Implant a fricken chip in ‘em, like they have for pets, when the permit is granted. That way they can be identified as aliens who have been approved to work here under permit. Make them pay a fee for the permit and chip. Hell, they pay those coyotes don’t they?

Or, we can build big internment camps, round them all up and put them in there, and arrange them to be shipped back to all of their home countries.


49 posted on 11/04/2011 9:05:38 AM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

“quarantine” should have been guarantee


50 posted on 11/04/2011 9:07:10 AM PDT by Ladysforest
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