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Perry suggests US visa program to let illegal immigrants come and go freely; opposes amnesty
Washington Post ^ | November 3, 2011

Posted on 11/04/2011 7:39:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

“You can put a program into place in which these individuals can be identified, and work visas in which they can move back and forth between their countries but not to become United States citizens,” Perry said. “And I think that’s where McCain, that’s where Romney, that’s where even Bush went wrong when they talked about the issue that, ‘we’re going to give amnesty to these individuals,’ and people just said, ‘no, we’re not.’”

Perry didn’t elaborate on what such a visa plan would look like, saying only that authorities need to determine a better way to identify illegal immigrants and make them part of mainstream society. He also said the program would only work if the federal government first does a better job securing America’s borders.

“I disagree with the concept that somehow or another we’re going to pack up 10, to 12, to 15 million people and ship them back to the country of origin. That’s not going to happen,” Perry said. “So realty has to be part of our conversation. And then you need to have a strategy to deal with it. That is what I think we will have, but first you have to secure that border.”

Perry called Washington’s efforts to stop the flow of illegal immigrants “an abject failure” but said that, as president, he could accomplish the task in just a year using the existing fence, more border patrol agents and air surveillance.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: 1moreliefromperry; aliens; amnesty; formerdemocratperry; gopprimary; heartless; hispandering; illegals; larazarick; openborders; perry2012; perryastroturfing; rino; secureborder; traitor
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Perry attacks administration at campaign stop in Hampton, N.H......"On immigration policy, Perry said he is opposed to amnesty and will always be opposed to amnesty. "For decades we have had a federal government that has failed its constitutional duty to protect its borders," he said. "You have to ask, are we going to have a president that is going to stop the illegal activities happening on the border?"
1 posted on 11/04/2011 7:39:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
What is wrong with this picture?

Gov. Perry asks for drones and technology, and more boots on the U.S. Mexican border. Meanwhile Texas Rangers are patrolling the U.S. Mexican border (1250 miles) the best they can -- salaries paid by the citizens of Texas. The International border with Mexico is a Federal responsibility but they refuse to do their sworn duty. Instead we find out the U.S. Federal Government bought and GAVE guns to Mexican drug cartels.

Gov. Rick Perry states that fencing in urban areas is effective but drones and Intel is needed for the rest of the border. His written and personal requests for the U.S. government to seal the border is ignored by the Obama administration and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. Instead DHS has for years used a drone for patrolling sections our border with Canada and is discussing wider drone patrols and more boots on the ground – on the northern border.

2 posted on 11/04/2011 7:40:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Come and go” is come only.

Perry is at least honest, pro-illegal he is. He should run for pres of Mexico.


3 posted on 11/04/2011 7:42:07 AM PDT by heiss (heartless)
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To: All
Oct 6, 2011 Interviewing Rick Perry On Illegal Immigration [10 Points]
4 posted on 11/04/2011 7:43:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Posting this article thread may get through to a few folks.

Mostly it will only get the reactionaries and the nativists all stirred up and send them into a frenzy. Which some relish. LOL

5 posted on 11/04/2011 7:44:14 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: heiss

Just add your own words???

Must be nice to just make it up as you go heiss.


6 posted on 11/04/2011 7:44:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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7 posted on 11/04/2011 7:45:13 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We do not want one single illegal in this country, taking our jobs, nor for any other reason. Why don’t they “get” this? What part of illegal don’t you understand?


8 posted on 11/04/2011 7:45:24 AM PDT by ransacked
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To: Reagan Man
I noticed the tight editing in stories about this interview, that are meant to give the opposite impression from what the governor said.
9 posted on 11/04/2011 7:45:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ransacked

Give me your candidates’ plan.

Lay it out there for the thread.


10 posted on 11/04/2011 7:47:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rick Perry doesn’t want amnesty, he just wants illegals to come and go freely.

You can’t make this shit up.


11 posted on 11/04/2011 7:47:14 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Reagan Man

Bring on the Nativists!

Perry is all in for changing the narrative of this debate.

My dad died for this country and I served it. If I am willing to have an honest conversation about how to fix this problem, then even the most racist nativists on FR should too.

12 posted on 11/04/2011 7:48:17 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Developer of http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Exactly. Like that article thread earlier this morning without a live link.

A good venue for lots of anti-Perry comments, but no honest debate.


13 posted on 11/04/2011 7:48:39 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: bullypulpit
Perry is all in for changing the narrative of this debate.

Give me links and information not slogans and spin.

14 posted on 11/04/2011 7:50:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

if perry’s involved in the release of the hate against cain

perry will not get my vote.


15 posted on 11/04/2011 7:50:41 AM PDT by ken21
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To: MrEdd

I KNOW! No need for the left to paint Perry as dumber than GWB- Perry is doing a bang up job of that all by himself.


16 posted on 11/04/2011 7:51:28 AM PDT by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: MrEdd
You can’t make this shit up.

YOU do it every day.

17 posted on 11/04/2011 7:51:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Give me your candidates’ plan.

My guy just wants to cook'em on the wire, with or without salsa.

You do the dishes.

Sounds like a plan to me.

18 posted on 11/04/2011 7:51:30 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the Terrorists Savages)
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To: bullypulpit
then even the most racist nativists on FR should too

uhm, what?

I'm guessin' you have decided that people who care about law and order are racists? You're twisted.

19 posted on 11/04/2011 7:53:57 AM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Is Perry stupid? They come...and then baby drop about 4 to 6 kids that WILL BE automatic citizens. They grow up on the dole and vote democrat. The has to be stopped and reversed. Once we lose Texas and or Florida to immigration Democ-rats...It is one party socialist rule. Just like California.


20 posted on 11/04/2011 7:54:52 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: Reagan Man

Indeed and I am a chest-thumping nativist. Perry is as trustworthy as a gypsy.


21 posted on 11/04/2011 7:55:01 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: USS Alaska

Breakfast was made and dishes were washed and put away hours ago.

Laundry was finished yesterday and my ironing is set for this afternoon.

The garden looks great and the groceries were bought and put up Wednesday.

The bills are paid and all my Christmas cards are addressed and waiting for the Christmas letter we will be putting together this month.

The toilets are scrubbed and the floors mopped. The dusting is done and the repairman came yesterday to fix the broken magnet on the front door alarm.

I will be babysitting my grandchildren this weekend.

Anything else you can think of for me to do?


22 posted on 11/04/2011 7:55:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: bullypulpit
Guess you're not a fan of John Tanton then? ;^)

I knew FR had its fair share of nativists, just didn't realize how many there were infesting the forum.

In the end the immigration problem will include solutions more in line with Gov Perry's ideas, then what John Tanton and his followers have in mind.

23 posted on 11/04/2011 7:55:24 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It is astonishing that for all the human resources, wasted tax money and lost lives - no public official has presented a workable, humane and practical solution.

Illegal is the operative word.

What is needed is a comprehensive census to identify illegal immigrants (when they apply for employment, benefits, drivers licenses, rentals, medical care etc.,)They should be immediately registered with the INS - given a background check/clearance and if appropriate - a ticket and orders to return to their country of origin. If they have a sponsor (citizen employer or relative) who can vouch for their good character and sound financial assets, they should be given a 6 month window, a contingent/temporary work permit to be renewed annually at INS.

When minor children are involved - I have no idea what we could do to correct this crisis.


24 posted on 11/04/2011 7:55:26 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Cain - touching the better angels of our nature. Newt - knowledge is power.)
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To: magna carta
Indeed and I am a chest-thumping nativist. Perry is as trustworthy as a gypsy.

Explain.

25 posted on 11/04/2011 7:55:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: magna carta

THANKS FOR BEIN SMART.


26 posted on 11/04/2011 7:56:54 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This is the stuff on Perry's immigration record I have dug up over the past couple of weeks. For some of it I have to give a hat tip to Emile over at Pesky Truth blog. But the videos and links to articles should be a good starting point.

Click here: Rick Perry on Illegal Immigration (Opens in new window)

I welcome additional help compiling more. I just don't have all the time in the world.

27 posted on 11/04/2011 7:56:54 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Developer of http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: bullypulpit

Oh yes

So if we oppose perry’s de facto amnesty plan we are racist?

You forgot the heartless accusation. Not only is perry dumber than my garage door, but also more dishonest and anti
-american.

Why don’t we let murderers to come and go too?


28 posted on 11/04/2011 7:57:47 AM PDT by heiss (heartless)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If an illegal immigrant that is in the US illegally goes to the federal building to seek a Visa to come to the US legally, why shouldn't that illegal immigrant be arrested on the spot?

Every time I've traveled aboard, I am required to have a Visa before I get there, not apply for one once I've arrived.

29 posted on 11/04/2011 7:58:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: bullypulpit

Name calling doesn’t work anymore.


30 posted on 11/04/2011 7:58:22 AM PDT by skeeter
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31 posted on 11/04/2011 7:59:37 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: bullypulpit
I am of mixed race, bigotpulpit.

My first political activity was petitioning to have immigration process military spouses quicker than the eight years it was taking at the time. But I do want only people who are self supporting and without a criminal record to be allowed in. this puts me diametrically opposed to Rick Perry.

My position is stated on my homepage, bigot, and has been for years.

Which of my races and the races of my children's makeup do you think I specifically hate, bigotpulpit.

32 posted on 11/04/2011 8:00:04 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Give me your candidates’ plan. Lay it out there for the thread.”

Didn’t Cain have one? BTW, wouldn’t Perry’s “plan” require a constitutional change to get rid of the anchor baby problem?


33 posted on 11/04/2011 8:00:06 AM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: heiss

And if you don’t support Obama’s jobs plan you’re racist, doncha know.


34 posted on 11/04/2011 8:00:49 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Are you ready to have an honest conversation about illegal immigration on FR, or are you all in with the Ad hominem crowd? I just trying to keep score (-;
35 posted on 11/04/2011 8:01:24 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Developer of http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: babygene
BTW, wouldn’t Perry’s “plan” require a constitutional change to get rid of the anchor baby problem?

Nativist!

36 posted on 11/04/2011 8:02:48 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: magna carta
>>>>>>I am a chest-thumping nativist.

So, you do prefer the electrified fence that Cain wants, or may be land mines and machine guns are your choice of border deterrents to stop illegal aliens from crossing over the Tex-Mex border. Btw, what do you propose to stop legal immigrants from entering the US?

37 posted on 11/04/2011 8:03:08 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man; Cincinatus' Wife

I see; nativists are those who realize that la raza ricardo has redefined amnesty in his own mind.


38 posted on 11/04/2011 8:03:20 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: MrEdd

You lost me at bigot. Sorry. No dice. You’re obviously not in favor of a serious, honest conversation. Ignore mode on.


39 posted on 11/04/2011 8:03:54 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Developer of http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: bullypulpit
I dislike ad hominems too, so why don't you know them off?

My position is simple - enforce the laws on the books.

Somehow I don't think you'll accept that POV.

40 posted on 11/04/2011 8:06:12 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

know=knock


41 posted on 11/04/2011 8:06:31 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: bullypulpit
or are you all in with the Ad hominem crowd?

LOL! It's you who are calling those of us who want to stop the invading hordes NATIVISTS.

Doesn't really matter though, Perry is finished.

42 posted on 11/04/2011 8:07:21 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: USS Alaska

Your sexist comment is pathetic. Worse, your claim that Cain wants to electrocute the illegals. It is not his plan. He rattled it off as one option (shoot from the hip) when asked. Then, backed down and claimed it was a joke.

So, NO your candidate’s plan is not to kill the illegals.


43 posted on 11/04/2011 8:08:50 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: bullypulpit; skeeter
Bigotpulpit is in no position to assert that anyone else on any thread is part of an "ad hominem crowd."
44 posted on 11/04/2011 8:10:06 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: bullypulpit

http://www.issues2000.org/2012/Rick_Perry_Immigration.htm


45 posted on 11/04/2011 8:10:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: skeeter

“My position is simple - enforce the laws on the books.”

http://www.issues2000.org/2012/Rick_Perry_Immigration.htm


46 posted on 11/04/2011 8:11:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MrEdd; bullypulpit
Someone who claims to want 'open honest debate' doesn't fire off two or three insults to the opposition in their opening post.

And if they must for cryin out loud don't whine about ad hominems afterwards.

47 posted on 11/04/2011 8:13:27 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: bullypulpit
Bigot, you go calling other people racists with no evidence, and indeed with no clue who they are and you are about to find your post copied and people pinged to it on every thread.

Bravado isn't going to help you here.

Your Al Sharptonesque blanket racist accusation hail Mary isn't going unchallenged, bigot.

48 posted on 11/04/2011 8:14:49 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Is this a Mexicans only deal for Perry? Or will illegal aliens from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Philippines also be allowed to some and go as they please? Allowed to treat America as a suburb of Karachi, Manila or Beijing

This statement by Perry is deliberate self sabotage or he is a moron


49 posted on 11/04/2011 8:15:20 AM PDT by dennisw (What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having - - Sting)
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To: algernonpj
....la raza ricardo has redefined amnesty in his own mind.

Care to share those particulars???? You seem so "informed."

50 posted on 11/04/2011 8:16:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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