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US general booted for Afghan remarks
MSNBC ^ | November 4, 2011

Posted on 11/04/2011 3:57:25 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

WASHINGTON — A top U.S. general in Afghanistan was relieved of duty Friday for "inappropriate public comments" after calling the Afghan government "isolated from reality" and President Hamid Karzai "erratic."

Maj. Gen. Peter Fuller, deputy commander for training Afghan security forces, blasted the Afghan government, military and Karzai in an interview with POLITICO published on Thursday.

He called Karzai "erratic" for recently saying Afghanistan would side with Pakistan if the latter declared war on the U.S.

"Why don’t you just poke me in the eye with a needle!," Fuller was quoted as saying. "You’ve got to be kidding me … I’m sorry, we just gave you $11.6 billion and now you’re telling me, 'I don’t really care'?"

Fuller also said he had trouble explaining to Afghan officials that Western funds were limited. "You guys are isolated from reality" he said he told Afghan generals. "If you're in a very poor country like Afghanistan, you think that America has roads paved in gold, everybody lives in Hollywood."

"I actually had someone senior tell me, 'All I want to do is put them [tanks] on a flat bed and drive them around in a parade'," he added.

Fuller said Afghan leaders "don't understand the sacrifices that America is making to provide for their security. And I think that's part of my job to educate 'em."

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; general; peterfuller

1 posted on 11/04/2011 3:57:27 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

WASHINGTON — A top U.S. general in Afghanistan was relieved of duty Friday for “inappropriate public comments” after calling the Afghan government “isolated from reality” and President Hamid Karzai “erratic.”

Exactly...time to clear out of this shithole, build the world’s biggest military base in Iraq, which is where we SHOULD have been concentartaing troop strength and let it rip if we have to.


2 posted on 11/04/2011 4:00:56 PM PDT by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

NATO pulls out Karzai is toast , he better hope he has enough money stashed away and a country to to hide in


3 posted on 11/04/2011 4:02:00 PM PDT by molson209
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Fired for committing truth. Another general soon to be retired.


4 posted on 11/04/2011 4:03:34 PM PDT by Truth29
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5 posted on 11/04/2011 4:06:11 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: jessduntno

They misunderstood him. He wasn’t talking about Afghanistan and Karzai, he was talking about Barry and US.


6 posted on 11/04/2011 4:08:23 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

A General that talks to Politico isn’t very smart.


7 posted on 11/04/2011 4:13:19 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Nobody in Uniform,unless he is got 4 stars and a solid ton of dirt on everyone on the pentagon, shouldn’t be talking to the press.

Even General MacArthur was removed in part because of his candid attitude towards the press when it came talking about the President,the actual reason he got dropped had to do with him underestimating the Chinese counterattack but he’d poisoned his relationship with the President long beforehand.

The media is not the friend of the military.

Anyway Gen Fuller is completely correct,Karzai is running his country like a crackhouse and he will get more American soldiers killed because of his tendencies to see American influence as passing and Islamic influence as permanent(both ebb and flow).


8 posted on 11/04/2011 4:19:40 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

We have a great commander in thief don’t we?


9 posted on 11/04/2011 4:22:44 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
In June 2010, Gen. Stanley McChrystal resigned as the top U.S. officer in Afghanistan after disparaging remarks about civilian bosses in a Rolling Stone magazine article. He retired from the Army a month later and went on to teach at Yale University.

Keep shootin' the messengers. That'll fix the problem.

10 posted on 11/04/2011 4:27:11 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: jessduntno

We will be completely out of Iraq by Christmas.

Obama is busy giving up all of our hard work and blood even as we speak.

We had a base in the heart of the middle east.
Obama is making it go away.


11 posted on 11/04/2011 4:27:20 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Looks like Fuller has had a belly-full on faux nation-building, & probably the Obama administration, too. US support for Karzai is ridiculous.

Here's hoping he retires & then exposes the farce that is the Afghan War.

12 posted on 11/04/2011 4:40:02 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: mylife

Any attempt to creat a single, unified national government in Afghanistan is doomed to failure, no matter who is president. Afghanistan is not, and never will be a nation. It is a handful of city-states, in a sea of independent tribal warriors, whose only loyalty is to the tribe, and only ambition is to be great warriors. Any attampt to enforce a national government on them threatens everything they are, and gives them a chance to become great warriors. If a relatively modern country like Pakistan can’t control their tribal areas, only a moron could believe Karzai and his crew ever will.

I’m sure Karzai and his cronies undstand that and are content to rule in the cities, and take what they can, while they can. The only sane strategy is divide and conquer. Buy off those we can, kill those that help Al Qeada, and leave the rest alone.


13 posted on 11/04/2011 4:44:22 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: mylife

“We will be completely out of Iraq by Christmas.”

Heartbreaking for the women and children of that poor country and for the brave men and women who almost liberated them


14 posted on 11/04/2011 4:44:23 PM PDT by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia; jessduntno
One suspects when a top general agrees to talk to Politico, arguably an organ of O's campaign website, that nothing is said by accident.

...time to clear out of this shithole, build the world’s biggest military base in Iraq, which is where we SHOULD have been concentrating troop strength and let it rip if we have to.

Many agree. You are obviously one who recognizes that Iraq was the center of the regional board for us; that in the name of national security we should have continued to maintain a formidable presence. It appears O and his muslim advisors in D.C. did not try at all to maintain a force of any size. Reportedly, they did not engage the Iraqi's in negotiations on the question of immunity and, if I recall correctly, it was this general's request for the size of the remaining security force that O vetoed.

With the clarity of hindsight, it seems we should have stood up a government early on in a way that could have no objection to a continuing effective military presence. The Iragi's will likely soon have a chance to negotiate such a point with Iran.

15 posted on 11/04/2011 4:49:08 PM PDT by frog in a pot (The IRS denies tax deductions to our domestic terrorists. Why the hell do we not just deport them ?)
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To: jessduntno

I guess I would have to fire him, too.
He should have said the Afghan government is “corrupt and inept” and President Hamid Karzai is “a treacherous criminal.”


16 posted on 11/04/2011 4:52:23 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Hugin; jessduntno

I have always had trepidation about Unifying Afghanistan.
It is a collection of theifdoms.
Then when NATO took control I knew we really had trouble with ever gaining any ground.

Iraq was different, Mesopatamia has a long history of modern government.
We had that place pretty well sewn up other that Irans meddling.


17 posted on 11/04/2011 4:53:12 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: jessduntno

We did liberate them. They elected a government, we built them an army and police force, and signed an agreement with the Bush adminstration for us to leave by the end of this year. If they throw it all away, well, we can’t stay and babysit them forever. If they harbor terrorists we’ll have to try a different approach.


18 posted on 11/04/2011 4:57:14 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Gen, have you learned a lesson about what half ass reports you should talk to, how about talking to none.
19 posted on 11/04/2011 5:17:09 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: mylife
It is a collection of theifdoms.

More importantly it is a clan based, tribal, collection of theifdoms. The last European tribal societies ended about a thousand years ago. The mentalty is so far removed from Western civilization that few people even comprehend the worldview of these people. Even a lot of well meaning conservatives believe that everybody has a yearing for individual libery. They don't understand people who put their identity as part of a clan as more important than an individual, and who are taught from infancy that being a great warrior who protects their tribe is what life is all about. Anyone who tries to change things is the enemy.

As Sun Tzu said, he who fails to understand his enemy will lose every time.

20 posted on 11/04/2011 5:26:49 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: Hugin

What we did accomplish there was we pummeled Osama and we ran him off to Pohkistan.

I am sad that we are giving up the good fight in Iraq, while sending more soldiers to their death in Afghanistan.

I dont like this stuff one bit.

Obama is feeding our guys to the afghan hoards, while retracting us from positions of influence.


21 posted on 11/04/2011 5:33:08 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
What we did accomplish there was we pummeled Osama and we ran him off to Pohkistan.

Yep. I remember hearing an interview with a Marine who did several tours there. He said when he first went there in 2001, he showed them photos of 911, and told them we were there to kill the people who did that to us. The Afghans understand and respect taking revenge, and viewed the Marines like some kind of super-tribe. They didn't have a problem with it. On later tours, after government troops had moved into the area they were much more hostile, because now their way of life was threatened.

22 posted on 11/04/2011 5:41:00 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Are any of the GOP candidates calling for pulling out now? ‘Cause Obama is going to before the election.


23 posted on 11/04/2011 5:42:39 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
http://karachitelegraph.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/us-bases-around-iran.jpg
 
No caption needed...

24 posted on 11/04/2011 5:49:59 PM PDT by wolficatZ (Somebody once wrote "Revenge is a dish that has to be eaten cold".)
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To: Hugin

All I know is I have 54 year old friends there in leadership positions and they are pissed about the ROE


25 posted on 11/04/2011 5:56:23 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: wolficatZ

That is the goal


26 posted on 11/04/2011 5:57:23 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: tongue-tied

Ping


27 posted on 11/04/2011 6:03:08 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: wolficatZ
"No caption needed..."

Obama is just waiting for the perfect moment to strike. /s

28 posted on 11/04/2011 6:04:42 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Prokopton

Yep - to become a “General Officer” one is supposed to have mastered political correctness to the N-th degree....this guy had a major hiccup, for sure.


29 posted on 11/04/2011 6:24:00 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Obama Voters: Jose Baez wants YOU for his next jury pool.......)
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To: jessduntno

I’m still sorting this out, but it looks like we’re getting generals to march the troops into that nest of vipers in DC and clean it out.

Hey, obuma, look...Except for your few hand-picked perfumed princes at the pentagon, the military hates your Chicago commie guts. Even Air Force 1 can’t help you escape because DIA controls it.

What a bummer.


30 posted on 11/04/2011 6:26:00 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Reality is not allowed in 0bungle’s army.


31 posted on 11/04/2011 6:36:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If you support Gen Fuller maybe he would like to hear it from you peter.fuller@us.army.mil


32 posted on 11/04/2011 6:37:57 PM PDT by JDPendry
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
He called Karzai "erratic" for recently saying Afghanistan would side with Pakistan if the latter declared war on the U.S.
Thanks rightwingintelligentsia.
"I'm Karzai, Karzai and feelin' so lonely..."

Hamid Karzai

33 posted on 11/04/2011 6:54:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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