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Forty House Republicans sign letter encouraging Super Committee to consider new revenues
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Posted on 11/04/2011 6:36:15 PM PDT by mnehring

I’m a day late on this but it’s too intriguing not to blog. You can read the actual letter, which is exceedingly tame, on Mike Simpson’s website. Among the signatories: …Ron Paul.

The bad news? If this happens, some people might be paying a little more. The good news? We’ll never have to read another “time for a grand bargain” column from Tom Friedman again. Dude, I think we should take the deal.

A group of 40 House Republicans for the first time Wednesday encouraged Congress’s deficit reduction committee to explore new revenue as part of a broad deal that would make a major dent in the nation’s debt, joining 60 Democrats in a rare bipartisan effort to urge the “supercommittee” to reach a big deal that could also include entitlement cuts…

Among those who signed were several dozen Republicans who had previously signed a pledge promising they would not support a net tax increase. Among the Democratic signers were some of the House’s most liberal members who have opposed entitlement cuts…

Rep. Steven C. LaTourette (R-Ohio) said if he had a nickel for every one of the Republicans who said they supported the letter’s goal but feared how [Americans for Tax Reform President Grover] Norquist would react, “I’d be rich and retired, and we’d have 200 signatures on the letter.”…

[S]everal Republicans who signed the letter were careful to note they were not endorsing a net tax increase — but rather a broad rewrite of the tax code that might close loopholes and lower rates, while still producing more government revenue.

Even more intriguingly, Boehner himself came out today and said “I think there is room for revenues” in the Super Committee’s work while emphasizing that the GOP will only tolerate so much. When his staff was asked where, pray tell, these new revenues would be coming from, an aide suggested “increasing government fees, selling government assets and raising co-payments in government healthcare programs.” I.e. no tax hikes. So that’s that, right?

Maybe not:

Six members of a congressional “super committee” have struck out on their own in a new effort to come up with a plan to slash America’s huge deficits before a November 23 deadline…

Aides stressed that the six lawmakers are still in talks with the full super committee and have not splintered off. Instead, they are making an internal effort to try to broker a bipartisan deal.

Significantly, at least two Republican members of the smaller group are willing to consider revenue increases as part of a deficit-reduction plan, one of the congressional aides and a source with direct knowledge of the talks said.

Remember, the Super Committee only needs seven votes to approve a plan; there are six Democrats and six Republicans participating, so either one of those two unnamed GOPers who are open to new revenues could trigger some sort of “grand bargain” proposal involving entitlement reform. And if you’ve got six Democrats agreeing to entitlement reform, they’re going to want something more than “increasing government fees” in return. James Clyburn, one of the Democrats on the Committee, is talking about getting rid of some deductions, but whether that would pass muster with the GOP is unclear. Thirty-three Republican senators sent a letter of their own to the Super Committee today warning them away from trying to raise revenues. Whether they can get the rest of the caucus to go along and join a filibuster might depend on what Boehner and the House GOP do if/when a “grand bargain” makes it to the floor. As it is, Time magazine quotes a Senate source who puts the odds of the Super Committee deadlocking at 75 percent, up from 70 just two weeks ago. Watch this clip of Pat Toomey, another Committee member, talking about the current stalemate and you’ll think that estimate is too low.

Here’s Boehner today doing his “Grover who?” shtick after being asked about revenues. Exit question: It’s probably not a good sign for fiscal conservatives that members of Congress are already working to undo the automatic spending cuts that’ll be triggered if the Committee deadlocks, huh?



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KEYWORDS: bipartisan; cutpensions; economy; house; nimbys; revenue; rinos; ronpaul; scam; socialists; supercommittee; taxes
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Here is a copy of the letter and list of who signed it.

40 RINOs out to increase government 'revenues' (ie taxes)

1 posted on 11/04/2011 6:36:20 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Rep. Steven C. LaTourette (R-Ohio) said if he had a nickel for every one of the Republicans who said they supported the letter’s goal but feared how [Americans for Tax Reform President Grover] Norquist would react, “I’d be rich and retired, and we’d have 200 signatures on the letter.”…

He thinks he can retire on 200 X .05? That's $10. No wonder we are bankrupt.

2 posted on 11/04/2011 6:42:11 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: mnehring
'revenues' (ie taxes)

Not necessarily the same thing.

3 posted on 11/04/2011 6:42:21 PM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: mnehring
Obviously the Tea Party has its work cut out for itself yet again, in 2012.
4 posted on 11/04/2011 6:42:37 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: mnehring

No one ever said an election or two would clean all the multi-partied vermin out of DC..

We got a long way to go..

I wonder how many are RMSPers?

http://www.republicanmainstreet.org/members/


5 posted on 11/04/2011 6:43:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: mnehring
A group of 40 House Republicans for the first time Wednesday encouraged Congress’s deficit reduction committee to explore new revenue

If only by "new revenue" they meant selling mining, drilling and timber rights on public land and off shore. Alas, we know they mean taxes.

6 posted on 11/04/2011 6:44:16 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: mnehring
Among the RINO's:

John Carter, R-TX
Ron Paul, R (?)-TX
Peter King, R-NY

7 posted on 11/04/2011 6:46:46 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: mnehring

Get real. In this day and age, a compromise is the only way the two sides will be able to reach an agreement.


8 posted on 11/04/2011 6:47:27 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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9 posted on 11/04/2011 6:47:56 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: stayathomemom

In government language it is. “Revenue” is either taxes or fees. The government is not in the business of producing goods or services to create revenues. They can only tax or fee it in to existence.

(I guess they could sell land and buildings but that would probably account for about 5 minutes worth of debt).


10 posted on 11/04/2011 6:49:37 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Java4Jay

“Get real. In this day and age, a compromise is the only way the two sides will be able to reach an agreement.”

I don’t want the two sides to reach an agreement. I want every leftist driven out of public life. I want the democrat party prosecuted as an ongoing criminal enterprise.


11 posted on 11/04/2011 6:50:17 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: mnehring
The American people were sold out with the creation of this new "Super Committee", which is un-Constitutional, on its face.

This was a done deal, agreed to by the Establishment Republicans and Democrats, and tax increases coupled with minimal spending reductions (reductions in FUTURE SPENDING) which will NOT undo any of the Democrats previous debt-increasing handouts whatsoever.

We need to cut at least 50% of the Federal employees, replace the RINO's and Democrats with Conservatives, and get back to allowing ONLY what the Constitution specifically and literally provides for (Limited Federal Government)....but then, the Liberal Courts will block it, if attempted.

The Nation needs a do-over, badly, right now.

12 posted on 11/04/2011 6:51:48 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: mnehring

But what about the whole idea of the Laffer curve and increasing revenue by reducing tax rates as well as the idea of improving the job climate and therefore creating more taxpayers and therefore more revenue?


13 posted on 11/04/2011 6:53:19 PM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: dsc

“I want every leftist driven out of public life. I want the democrat party prosecuted as an ongoing criminal enterprise”

There are some good Dems am sure, just don’t know their names. There has to be some balance.


14 posted on 11/04/2011 6:53:50 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks mnehring.
Among the signatories: ...Ron Paul.

15 posted on 11/04/2011 6:57:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: mnehring

The “entitlements” cuts have already started. We retired military have already got notice of huge increases on everything we have to now pay back to the government out of our retired checks to fund items that were promised us before we began our service. Now some stupid congressman says that they have to honor the promises made to the “active” military because we promised them. Yet, it is okay to cut our throats after the fact when we are too damned old to do a damned thing about it.


16 posted on 11/04/2011 6:57:25 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (As the End Times draws near, remember the Bible WARNED of these times. Be ready!)
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To: stayathomemom

Hey! We past, present and future SAHMs are NOT supposed to be THINKING in those terms, let alone UNDERSTAND these issues! Stupid breeders...gettin’ kinda UPPITY ain’t we?

To the Reeducation Camp with YOU, Missy, LOL!


17 posted on 11/04/2011 6:59:00 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Java4Jay

yeah cause “balance” has produced such wonderful things like the current 14.5 trillion National Debt. The 1st credit downgrade in US Hisotry, 20% unemployed/underemployed etc etc etc

Balance is not leadership. We need LEADERSHIP not mindless adoration of “balance”


18 posted on 11/04/2011 7:00:03 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: mnehring

This doesn’t surprise me about the 40 or the Speaker, leftists all.


19 posted on 11/04/2011 7:00:16 PM PDT by stockpirate (Why are homosexuals so hetrophobic?)
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To: Java4Jay

Ok....

Give me all your money.

I want 1000, you offer 100... I settled for 500..

I still robbed you.

How bout this.

Republicans want departments eliminated. 10 of them (pick any 10) the dems don’t want any eliminated. They settled for 5. That is compromise I can believe in.

Why is “compromise” always in the DEMOCRATS favor?


20 posted on 11/04/2011 7:00:16 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: stayathomemom

That only works in reality.

Ever been to DC? Reality out there is something only seen on TV.


21 posted on 11/04/2011 7:01:34 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: stayathomemom

The increased revenues stated in Laffer’s theory are a result of action which is finding the proper ratio, this is a direct action call. In other words, w/ Laffer it is a result, while this is calling for a direct cause (ie directly ‘raise’ revenue).


22 posted on 11/04/2011 7:01:42 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: dsc

RINO Sniveling bastards....


23 posted on 11/04/2011 7:01:52 PM PDT by ptsal
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To: cableguymn

“Why is “compromise” always in the DEMOCRATS favor?”

Doesn’t have to be this time. Depends if the GOP grows some balls.


24 posted on 11/04/2011 7:01:54 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: mnehring

Why get upset?

The polls show Repubs support CAIN who wants to add a NEW tax.

Cain supporters gave them the go ahead. So don’t complain.


25 posted on 11/04/2011 7:01:59 PM PDT by marty60
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To: mnehring; All
Members to Super Committee: GO BIG (40 RINOS join 60 RATS

for the names...

26 posted on 11/04/2011 7:02:37 PM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: mnehring

there is no need to increase the tax RATE in order to increase tax REVENUE

since the fedgov is in every transaction, the trick lies in two things:

1. the number of transactions
2. the trade deficit

you want to increase the number of transactions to make the economy more diverse, increasing the chance of attracting foreign dollars either through investment or direct sales of domestic products

the main goal being to flip the trade deficit and increase the money flowing INTO the US.

to kick this off... decreasing taxation will allow the private sector a chance to develop new products with the money they are no longer sending into the fedgov

of course, what I’m suggesting limits the amount of money, and thereby power, flowing into washington.

what do you think the odds of that happening are??


27 posted on 11/04/2011 7:02:52 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: cableguymn
Why is “compromise” always in the DEMOCRATS favor?

Wasn't it Thatcher that said something like you can't compromise with socialists because you do it once and you're halfway there, do it again and you're 3/4 there, etc.?
28 posted on 11/04/2011 7:03:32 PM PDT by DTxAg
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To: mnehring
I think it's time for the Super Duper committee!

It's called a “Constitutional Convention” in which the several states get together and cut the size of the federal government back to the 1800’s, install strict term limits for all elected officials and abolish every government employee and every bureaucracy not specifically authorized by the constitution.

I'm not being facicious here either. I don't think we can fix this out of control government by electing a few conservatives.

The Framers put in the option for the states to call a Constitutional Convention for this exact scenario that we now face. How smart they were. Now lets get started doing it!

Read about the process here.

http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/article/5005

29 posted on 11/04/2011 7:03:32 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: mnehring

No matter how much “new revenue” is garnered for the public trough, there will never be actual spending cuts.

Ronald Reagan found that to be true. George HW Bush fell into the same trap.


30 posted on 11/04/2011 7:03:49 PM PDT by Ole Okie (Go Herman!!)
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To: mnehring

Stalemate, run out of money and another debt ceiling crisis. Increasing taxes won’t generate a dimes’s worth of deficit reduction. Raising taxes is just away for the Dims to punish their enemies: the productive class. The Dims also want to undermine the GOP with their base and there are apparently enough rino traitors willing to help them.


31 posted on 11/04/2011 7:05:21 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: mnehring

I forgot to mention the obvious

which trying to increase revenues to lower our debt and improve the country fiscally...

CUT SPENDING BELOW LAST YEARS TAX REVENUE... IMMEDIATELY


32 posted on 11/04/2011 7:07:52 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: mnehring
A few million illegals moved out of the country and we have plenty of damn money. They are sucking this country dry.
33 posted on 11/04/2011 7:12:16 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Java4Jay

Go back to DU, we are not here to give ground, if they do nothing we are better off.

The republican leadership are nothing but leftwing socialists like their democrat friends.


34 posted on 11/04/2011 7:13:55 PM PDT by stockpirate (Why are homosexuals so hetrophobic?)
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To: Java4Jay

Get real, Java.


35 posted on 11/04/2011 7:15:22 PM PDT by Clint Lippo
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To: org.whodat
A few million illegals moved out of the country and we have plenty of damn money. They are sucking this country dry.

I agree, and I believe in amnesty...We secure the border, create a guest worker program for some number of people, and announce that anyone here illegally has 6 months to leave the country. Anyone caught here illegally after that loses all hope of ever entering the guest worker program or obtaining citizenship, deportation proceedings are streamlined, and companies are fined heavily for hiring illegals. The amnesty is they don't lose out on the possibility of ever coming back here again if they self-deport.
36 posted on 11/04/2011 7:26:46 PM PDT by DTxAg
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To: mnehring

No fee hikes, no deduction cuts—no tax hikes. Cut spending! Begin with cutting federal funding for local governments to zero.


37 posted on 11/04/2011 7:29:55 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: stockpirate

Remember the ‘Blue Dog Democrat’ group in 08, they helped reduce the amount of TARP money going out the door? This is what I mean by having some balance.

By the way, I’m a Conservative Tea Party member, proudly displaying a Cain 2012 bumper sticker on my car that he sent my for my $100 donation to his campaign.


38 posted on 11/04/2011 7:31:11 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: DTxAg
We have 14 different worker programs, plus the bogus H-1B high tech worker that is nothing more than a scam,. We need to cut that back on the freebie trash crowd, no more, not ever.
39 posted on 11/04/2011 7:34:41 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: mnehring

Eliminate federal funding to local governments, cut spending in general and eliminate local zoning regulations against new, small manufacturing starts in rural areas. That is the right way to get more revenues.


40 posted on 11/04/2011 7:34:57 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

You are right, but as we all know, that’s not what they are talking about, especially in light of saying cuts won’t do it.


41 posted on 11/04/2011 7:36:34 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: dsc
I don’t want the two sides to reach an agreement. I want every leftist driven out of public life. I want the democrat party prosecuted as an ongoing criminal enterprise.

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I AGREE WITH THAT

Rats need to be investigated, jailed, and hounded out of federal elective office and unions stripped of their ability to steal dues from workers paychecks.

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Time to upset their 'business as usual' programs in the slime pit called D.C.

42 posted on 11/04/2011 7:37:59 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: mnehring
40 RINOs out to increase government 'revenues' (ie taxes)

Sort of like Herman Cain.

43 posted on 11/04/2011 7:41:55 PM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: mnehring

Yes. Too many politicos of all parties are dependent on revenues/debt from government, so we’ll continue to starve the b. With too little manufacturing for sustainable revenues and a currency that will only go down (globalism in business, inflation in producing countries, foreign product prices increasing, and finally, more dollars to get those foreign products).


44 posted on 11/04/2011 7:42:20 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Clint Lippo

Remember in the FOX debates I think it was, when the candidates were asked to raise their hands if they wouldn’t support a 10:1 reduction in spending to tax hike?

Cain wanted not to raise his hand; he hesitated and was the last to do so. I for one would take a 10:1 any day.


45 posted on 11/04/2011 7:43:26 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: mnehring

Unfinished sentence. With too little manufacturing for sustainable revenues and a currency that will only go down, there will be no communist nation rising from the default. ...only freedom.


46 posted on 11/04/2011 7:44:06 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: mnehring
If neut(ered) gets to be Pres, he'll have his RINO class-of-94-look-alikes ready and waiting to do his bidding...
47 posted on 11/04/2011 7:46:13 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: mnehring

they must find $1.2 billion and that is all. I’m thinking that Obama may need to raise the debt ceiling before the next election.


48 posted on 11/04/2011 8:08:03 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999er for Cain.)
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To: mnehring; All
"Revenues" means "taxes" to Democrats.

"Revenues" means "revenues" to Republicans. It does not have to mean taxes.

Here's just one example: if oil companies lease more federal lands for drilling, that's new revenues but it is not taxes.

49 posted on 11/04/2011 8:21:54 PM PDT by newzjunkey (TeaParty & establishment GOP conspire to reelect Obama.)
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To: mnehring

Just in case anybody thought the pubbies were looking out for the folks. I guess Boehner and company think its time to eat our peas.


50 posted on 11/04/2011 8:42:34 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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