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Ron Paul vs. 'In God We Trust'
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Posted on 11/04/2011 7:44:00 PM PDT by mnehring

Congressman Ron Paul’s presidential campaign duties kept him from participating in the House of Representatives vote on Wednesday, but the GOP hopeful says he is opposed to the recent bill to reaffirm “In God We Trust” as America’s motto.

During a House vote on Wednesday, only nine lawmakers voted against reaffirming the slogan to be used in governmental buildings across the United States. Paul was unable to it to Capitol Hill to cast his own voice but says that he would have voted against it.

"I would have voted 'no' not because I don't like the motto and don't think we can use it but 'no' because we were telling the states what to do," Paul tells the news organization The Hill.

President Barack Obama touched on the topic of the House vote during a speaking engagement in Wednesday, saying that he thought Congress had better things to do than to vote on keeping the slogan.

“You had legislation reaffirming that ‘In God We Trust’ is our motto?” asked Obama. “That’s not putting people back to work. I trust in God, but God wants to see us help ourselves by putting people back to work. “

This week’s vote marked the third time in under a decade that Congress voted on keeping the slogan.

Commentator Jon Stewart said during a Daily Show broadcast that wasting time to reaffirm the motto was equivalent to “renewing the wedding vows between God and America.” His own proposal for a replacement? “America: you’ve met our drones, now meet our people.”

By reaffirming the motto, the country will continue to inscribe it in public facilities and government institutions from coast-to-coast. It has been apparent on US currency during the late 1800s and is currently on all US coins and dollar bills. Officially it has been the US motto since the 1950s.

Of the nine votes against reaffirming the motto, the only nay from a Republican was cast by Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan. Amash has publically supported Ron Paul’s bid for the GOP nomination for the presidency.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aino; cino; ingodwetrust; justinamash; michigan; motto; rino; ronpaul; texas; tino
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Somehow in Paul's world, the In God We Trust motto violates State's Rights.
1 posted on 11/04/2011 7:44:01 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Well it DID originate with the Lincoln administration. During the Civil War. Didn’t actually become an official motto until 1956. Waste of time.


2 posted on 11/04/2011 7:46:22 PM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: mnehring

Dr. Demento strikes again!

What a vile....Hadda stop myself before I get banned.


3 posted on 11/04/2011 7:48:45 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: mnehring
In whom doth Paul trust?

The Founding Fathers would, I think, regard him as an aberrant creature.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
— John Adams

4 posted on 11/04/2011 7:49:01 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: mnehring

We have very stupid people in Congress, passing such a meaningless piece of tripe BS is a total waste of time and money. While I trust in God, I do not need the idiots in congress to waste money on something as empty as this bill.

While they steal us blid they pass BS like this.


5 posted on 11/04/2011 7:51:37 PM PDT by stockpirate (Why are homosexuals so hetrophobic?)
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To: mnehring

Obviously Paul wants every state to be able to set their own National motto.

He probably thinks we need 50 National Anthems and why not 50 National flags.


6 posted on 11/04/2011 7:53:13 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul should just run for National President for the state of Texas. He might be able to win that one.


7 posted on 11/04/2011 7:55:36 PM PDT by DannyTN
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And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."


Lyric From Star Spangled Banner

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8 posted on 11/04/2011 7:56:15 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DannyTN

Hell No!


9 posted on 11/04/2011 7:59:37 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: DannyTN

Well, following his logic, having a US Flag is a violation of State’s Rights.


10 posted on 11/04/2011 8:00:55 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Paul's with the rest of the Godless - hates anything religious, makes him and his acolytes uncomfortable.

I suggest they all move to France, and if that's too stifling, perhaps Russia.

11 posted on 11/04/2011 8:02:05 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul and Jon Stewart. Is this what American has become? My apologies to those who died in the Revolutionary War.


12 posted on 11/04/2011 8:03:17 PM PDT by montag813
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To: mnehring

Putin’s Russia Today has much love for Ron Paul... because Putin’s a champion for freedom and the 10th Amendment, don’t ya’ know.

The only conceivable reason for the Soviets and their Iranian friends to spend this much time and effort propping up Ron Paul is a third-party run that will deliver a second Obama term and finish us off. That so many people could be so impervious to something so obvious is a testament to how dumb this country has become.


13 posted on 11/04/2011 8:03:50 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: mnehring

Well I dont like Ron Paul then. Simple. Nice how an issue can clear the ranks so easily. Ron thinks state rights trumps God’s rights, then Ron goes PLONK.

Simple, thanks for the post.


14 posted on 11/04/2011 8:04:44 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Ron C.

My guess is that Ron will go to hell...


15 posted on 11/04/2011 8:06:05 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: DannyTN
Ron Paul should just run for National President for the state of Texas. He might be able to win that one.

Not even close to likely, my friend. Plenty of us Texans think he's weird, too.

16 posted on 11/04/2011 8:07:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Huck
Actually, Lincoln's people got it from one of the later verses of the poem "The Star Spangled Banner" by Francis Scott Key.

Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."

17 posted on 11/04/2011 8:08:34 PM PDT by Publius
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To: mnehring

good point


19 posted on 11/04/2011 8:10:02 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: mnehring

Both Ron Paul and Obama are anti semitic as their past actions and politics and policies and words have shown all those who use their minds to think and discern what men really mean when they talk.


20 posted on 11/04/2011 8:13:36 PM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservatism is on the rise, God bless the conservative tea party.)
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To: mnehring

And he would have gotten away with it too if it weren’t for those meddling Freepers!


21 posted on 11/04/2011 8:13:42 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Mittt Romney - he lacks the courage of his absence of convictions.)
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To: American in Israel

lol - yep, but THIS Ron expects to be in a MUCH nicer place...


22 posted on 11/04/2011 8:16:12 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: mnehring
"I would have voted 'no' not because I don't like the motto and don't think we can use it but 'no' because we were telling the states what to do," Paul tells the news organization The Hill.

Ping for later

23 posted on 11/04/2011 8:18:49 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: montag813

“Ron Paul and Jon Stewart. Is this what American has become? My apologies to those who died in the Revolutionary War.”

Post of the year candidate!


24 posted on 11/04/2011 8:24:02 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: Tenebrous

Amen!


25 posted on 11/04/2011 8:26:49 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: American in Israel

LOL. God doesn’t need any rights, from you or anyone else.


26 posted on 11/04/2011 8:27:48 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul is crazier than an outhouse rat!


27 posted on 11/04/2011 8:28:44 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Windflier

How did he keep getting reelected in the Great State of Texas ? I’ve never figured it out.


28 posted on 11/04/2011 8:29:47 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
How did he keep getting reelected in the Great State of Texas ? I’ve never figured it out.

Easy. He's run against stinkbugs of all sorts in every race.

If he'd ever faced a solid conservative with a track record of accomplishment, he'd have been gone a long time ago.

29 posted on 11/04/2011 8:35:23 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
Oh shoot. You were talking about Ron Paul. I thought you were asking about Rick Perry. Arrrggghhh.....

Well, Ron Paul only has to win over one congressional district - not the whole state. He's been real good about bringing the bacon home from DC, so it's my guess that the people of his district are happy with that.

30 posted on 11/04/2011 8:39:01 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: mnehring
Actually not. If you read the resolution you will see that apart from reciting much of the history of the motto, the resolution has two components. The first is to "re-affirm" that In God We Trust is our nation's motto. That has about as much meaning as "re-affirming" that George Washington was our first president. Everybody knows that In God We Trust is the nation's motto, at this point that is simply a fact. The first aspect of the resolution can't have any effect on the motto, and it is, except for the theatrics of it, a complete waste of time and effort.

The second component of the resolution is "supporting and encouraging the public display of the national motto in all public buildings, public schools, and other government institutions." While doing so certainly isn't a bad thing, state and local governments already do display that motto and other mottos and even things like the Ten Commandments if they can without the federal government suing them.

Is it really the federal government's job to tell local and state governments what they should display on their buildings? Do they even have the right to do so? Put another way, when the Democrats had control of the House and the Senate would it have been OK for them to pass a resolution "encouraging" the display of a picture of President Obama in every public school and government building with the phrase "Yes we Can" under it? I think not.

There really is no principled, constitutional reason for the federal government to be telling state and local governments what to display in or on their buildings. In fact, the federal government should butt out of the issue entirely, since usually they are the ones who are forcing state and local governments to remove material which references God from public buildings.

I don't know about your state, but we don't need the federal government telling us what to display in our government buildings. Nobody, not even Ron Paul, is suggesting that the motto itself is a problem. The problem is a federal government who can't leave the state and local governments and the citizens alone. And a bunch of elected representatives who would rather spend time and money voting on resolutions which don't change anything than tackling real problems - like the federal government's open hostility towards religion in public life.

The resolution itself.

31 posted on 11/04/2011 8:45:02 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: stockpirate

With the attack on saying the word, God, or Jesus, and removal of crosses and Commandments, it is time we reminded people that the fundamental principle and the most important statement in our Founding Documents is that our rights are from GOD, not man and, therefore, can never be legislated away (although SCOTUS is doing it as I speak).

Our inalienable rights come from God—not government. It is the main principle of our legal system and jurisprudence. Court cases over 200 years have stated repeatedly that we are a “Christian Nation” in legal opinions.

We need to remember our history or be destroyed like European godless countries. It is a fact in our Constitutional philosophy—no God means no inalienable rights. Separation of Church and State was in Stalin’s Constitution—never ours. First Amendment states that there should be no law to impeding the free exercise of religion——the “establishment” never happens by mentioning “words” . That Marxist twisting of the intent of the Founders is obvious by reading court opinions prior to the socialist/marxist interpretation of the 20th century.

Paul thinks our philosophy originates from Darwinism. Natural Law Theory is incompatible with it....and Natural Law Theory is the basis of Natural Rights. Darwinism denies Objective Truth—and God.

Paul seems to think our type of philosophy can exist without a God—or at least SOME states have the right to kick God out of the Constitution.

Natural Law does not condone homosexual marriage either. The concept which goes against Natural Law can never exist in our country if our Constitution means what it says. Paul thinks it doesn’t matter that we replace God’s standards with Barney Frank’s Standards of Right and Wrong.

Nothing can work with different “standards” or “rules”. It would be like playing a basketball game with everyone playing by their own rules. It would end in chaos. Rule of Law is based on God’s standards (Bible) and no other Rule of Law would be Just Law (Cicero/Locke/Blackstone). Paul needs to understand that God’s standards have to be inherent in our laws or they are arbitrary and unequal law (Locke,Cicero, Blackstone). We were founded with principles that do NOT evolve. The Founders knew that the nature of man has always been exactly the same since the beginning of history. Paul seems to think like Wilson—that the Constitution is a living, breathing document, therefore, evolves. Well, he is wrong.


32 posted on 11/04/2011 8:51:18 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul is mentally ill.


33 posted on 11/04/2011 8:58:00 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: mnehring

God offends his leftist followers. He’s got a cult going. It’s sad to see him fall so low.


34 posted on 11/04/2011 9:05:33 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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Must Read. The most ironclad case against Mitt Romney Its damning.

35 posted on 11/04/2011 10:04:32 PM PDT by 506Lake (I'll say it again... no more compromise.)
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To: mnehring
Ron Paul may be slightly crazy ,but, I have to call BS on this one. He is not that dumb!!!
36 posted on 11/04/2011 11:06:55 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: mnehring

Who cares what Ron Paul thinks?

He’s just throwing a bone to his libertarian worshipers.


37 posted on 11/04/2011 11:14:16 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: freeandfreezing; mnehring

See, he’s right about this bill. Frankly, when it comes to the Constitution, Ron Paul is right about a lot of stuff.

Ever notice how much press any “Kook” who makes a big deal over how far we have strayed from the Constitution and the Rule of Law in this country gets?

Or how little press you see about any serious, non-”Kook” sourced discussion of the same?

It seems this approach is so effective that only the “Kooks” will go there.

In fact, the ONLY current Presidential Candidate who can be recognized as focused on the Constitution and the Rule of Law, is routinely reviled here on FR. In spite of how much most of us would love to see Washington snatched, kicking and screaming, back to some semblance of Constitutionality.

How many of you really think that this situation is an accident?

2012 is looming. How many more chances do you think we’ll get to steer away from the abyss, before the abyss has us?


38 posted on 11/04/2011 11:27:00 PM PDT by EasySt (2012... Sometimes you have to flush twice.)
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To: EasySt
Well said.

It's very sad how many otherwise rational individuals will react in knee-jerk fashion when one of their sacred cows is thought to be in danger. It's that old "motherhood and apple pie" stuff.

But think of it this way: if people didn't behave like that, how could we possibly have gotten ourselves into the fiscal mess we're in--the result of decades of expanding welfare/entitlement programs that few in Congress have the guts to say NO to even if they might personally have qualms about their constitutional legitimacy.

These kinds of measures, though largely symbolic, tell us very plainly that Washington politicians are not about to change course and will continue with their excessive spending, regulations and wars until the nation is bankrupt. Then they will likely claim it was the Ron Paul types that caused it.

39 posted on 11/05/2011 12:11:42 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: stockpirate; mnehring

Total waste of time. Question: Why do they have to reaffirm it? Can’t they just pass it to be valid, until a future Congress decides to remove it?

Or is this just some Congressmen grandstanding to show they love God and country?


40 posted on 11/05/2011 12:45:06 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: mnehring

I am sure Cut and Run would rather have “In Allah I Trust.


41 posted on 11/05/2011 3:39:47 AM PDT by John D
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To: American in Israel
My guess is that Ron will go to hell...

My guess is he has been there, and sold his soul. Now he is trying to bring hell to America.
42 posted on 11/05/2011 3:43:55 AM PDT by John D
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To: Absolutely Nobama
How did he keep getting reelected in the Great State of Texas ? I’ve never figured it out.

He doesn't get elected from the entire state. He gets elected from those in Galveston who like all the pork he brings home.
43 posted on 11/05/2011 3:50:04 AM PDT by John D
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To: monkeyshine; EasySt; freeandfreezing; stockpirate; Huck
...Total waste of time. Congressmen grandstanding, few in Congress have the guts to say NO. In fact, the ONLY current Presidential Candidate who can be recognized as focused on the Constitution and the Rule of Law, is routinely reviled here on FR. Nobody, not even Ron Paul, is suggesting that the motto itself is a problem. no principled, constitutional reason. While they steal us blind they pass BS like this. While I trust in God, I do not need the idiots in congress to waste money on something as empty as this bill.

...Agreed, grandstanding, a waste of time and Our money. The same crowd of so called conservatives "growing" the Constitution again to justify their empty rhetoric. Good to see some reasoned folks still on FR, for now...

44 posted on 11/05/2011 6:50:51 AM PDT by gargoyle (...it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them...)
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To: mnehring

My impression of Ron Paul is that he doesn’t really know what to think but he thinks he knows exactly what to say and then he says it.


45 posted on 11/05/2011 6:59:41 AM PDT by equaviator ( "There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: Publius

That’s true, but the motto was on our money a good thirty years before the Star Spangled Banner was made our official anthem. Before that, it was just a poem.


46 posted on 11/05/2011 7:02:10 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: Publius
Correction: Star Spangled Banner was recognized by the Navy first. The president (Wilson) recognized it (by what authority I don't know) in 1916, and it didn't become our anthem until 1931 (Hoover).

Lincoln, Wilson, and Hoover. There's three small government conservatives for ya /s

47 posted on 11/05/2011 7:04:44 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: freeandfreezing
"If you read the resolution.."

Thanks for the post.

48 posted on 11/05/2011 7:38:49 AM PDT by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: savagesusie

If you read the resolution


49 posted on 11/05/2011 7:40:24 AM PDT by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: monkeyshine
"Congressmen grandstanding"

Noooo!!!

They wouldn't do that, would they?

(sarc/)

50 posted on 11/05/2011 7:43:00 AM PDT by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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