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General Fired Over Karzai Remarks
New York Times ^ | November 5, 2011 | ROD NORDLAND

Posted on 11/05/2011 5:17:07 AM PDT by Pan_Yan

KABUL, Afghanistan — A senior American general stationed in Afghanistan has been fired for criticizing President Hamid Karzai in a published interview.

The NATO and American commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John R. Allen, announced in a press release on Saturday that he was dismissing Maj. Gen. Peter Fuller, the deputy commander for programs at the NATO training mission in Afghanistan, effective immediately. “The decision follows recent inappropriate public comments made by Maj. Gen. Fuller,” General Allen said.

The statement was issued early Saturday morning in Kabul, which was still Friday in the United States, where General Fuller had been on a speaking tour. It came shortly after a Thursday interview with the two-star United States Army general was published by the news Web site Politico.

General Fuller was responding to remarks made by President Karzai a week earlier in which he told a Pakistani interviewer that Afghanistan would come to Pakistan’s aid if attacked by the United States.

“Why don’t you just poke me in the eye with a needle! You’ve got to be kidding me,” General Fuller said. “I’m sorry, we just gave you $11.6 billion and now you’re telling me, ‘I don’t really care?’ ”

General Fuller also described President Karzai as erratic and inarticulate.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; army; karzai

1 posted on 11/05/2011 5:17:10 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Speaking the truth,in public,in today’s Military is always a career ending event.


2 posted on 11/05/2011 5:22:31 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: Pan_Yan

What the heck are we doing there other than trying to prop up a corrupt regime which doesn’t enjoy the support of its people and which would turn on us in a second if it felt that it would benefit them?


3 posted on 11/05/2011 5:23:04 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Pan_Yan

We should fire Karzai and put this guy in his place.


4 posted on 11/05/2011 5:23:10 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Pan_Yan
Soldiers WILL NOT say bad things about Muslims!

Not as long as Imam Obama is their CinC at any rate.

5 posted on 11/05/2011 5:26:08 AM PDT by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: Happy Rain

Time to come home now!


6 posted on 11/05/2011 5:27:39 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Pan_Yan

Politico is collecting a lot of heads lately.....hmmmmmm.


7 posted on 11/05/2011 5:33:17 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: mortal19440; P-Marlowe; wmfights; Lancey Howard; jazusamo
Speaking the truth,in public,in today’s Military is always a career ending event.

Then that means that Gen Fuller sacrificed 2 stars and a choice assignment to send America a message. He fell on his sword, in all likelihood, so that we would know the truth of the leadership in Afghanistan. It would be nice to have full text of his remarks.

When the generals speak bluntly, then we are being told American lives are too precious to any longer sacrifice for this stooge named Karzai.

8 posted on 11/05/2011 5:37:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Pan_Yan

The American military has done enough. Let this puke president suffer the security consequences of bringing them home. I’m sick of this low life CiC putting all the burden and more on our soldiers while forcing them to endure fags, multicultural commies and a no victory mission. I’m perfectly willing to keep an eye out for mullah omar here at home.


9 posted on 11/05/2011 5:41:42 AM PDT by Track9 (Make War!!)
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To: Pan_Yan
“Don't Ask, Don't tell” used to refer to perverted sexual behavior.

The Armed Forces have re-adopted the policy —only changing it to “Don't ask [the truth], Don't Tell [the truth]!!

10 posted on 11/05/2011 5:43:41 AM PDT by texican01
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To: xzins
It would be nice to have full text of his remarks.

I don't have that, but here's the article that got him fired.

In fact, the Afghan government made requests for F-16 fighter jets and tanks, even without the budget to use or maintain them, said Fuller. “I actually had someone senior tell me, ‘All I want to do is put them [tanks] on a flat bed and drive them around in a parade,” he said.

11 posted on 11/05/2011 5:43:41 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

It is well past time for America to take action on Pakistan. We call Iran the big threat - Pakistan is also a big threat. Our attempt to buy the loyalty of anti-American nations is ridiculous.


12 posted on 11/05/2011 5:57:52 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Pan_Yan

I totally agree with the general. The afghans have learned nothing from all of our years of mentoring and assistance. they don’t care to learn. and they are either OK with us leaving because they think they can secure their own family, or they are too stupid to think past the nose on their own face.

this general told it like it is. i agree 100 pct with what he said. any NORMAL person would. unfortunately, our politically correct society won’t allow the truth to come out. the real insult was Karzai saying he’d back pakistan against the US. why was he not asked to apologize?

i have zero confidence in our ability to turn the situation around in afghanistan, even if we had all the poeple we wanted. the afghans have given up. we have largely given up. the rules of engagement are stupid. and there’s a never-ending stream of bad guys coming across the border.

let them place implode. almost all of the money in afghanistan is brought in by ISAF. when ISAF goes, so goes the money. these people will be able to last maybe a year or two when we leave. no more. but since we are leaving, come hell or high water, let’s just go now. don’t waste another American life for these people and their perpetual problems. if they start training terrorists again, we can send a few cruise missiles in and blow em up i guess.


13 posted on 11/05/2011 6:08:35 AM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: GlockThe Vote

“Time to come home now!”

Absolutely. We shouldn’t spend a nickle or risk losing one brave soldier defending these 6th century ingrates.


14 posted on 11/05/2011 6:18:11 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Oklahoma’s National Guard brigade combat team in Afghanistan now has suffered significant losses (14 to date, IIRC, since June) and I’m really tired of seeing these young people on the front page. This general’s comment seals the deal for me that it is time for the US to get out while retaining armed drone sorties and some Special Forces like the “Horse Soldiers” that went in there in 2001-2. Keep any Taliban off-balance and make smoking holes where al-Quaeda leadership pops up on the landscape.


15 posted on 11/05/2011 6:22:13 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Pan_Yan

General Fuller has a point.
$11 billion for what ?


16 posted on 11/05/2011 6:27:17 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: xzins

I hope that when we eventually leave, Karzai is the last fatality. Save that last bullet for him so he can’t run off to Paris and enjoy his stolen millions or billions.


17 posted on 11/05/2011 6:30:25 AM PDT by Stand W (Crush your enemies! See them driven before you! Hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Pan_Yan

When did the truth become inappropraite


18 posted on 11/05/2011 6:32:43 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: mortal19440

In to-days army, what happened to MacArthur. What is that statement about not knowing history and repeating it.


19 posted on 11/05/2011 6:41:09 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Pan_Yan

The money is viewed as “Jizya” that we Infidels are required to pay to the koranimals for use of their “-Stan” & it buys no allegiance what-so-ever from them.

Koranimals support each other.

That is all.


20 posted on 11/05/2011 6:44:22 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: GodfearingTexan

Your post was fantastic. One of the best I’ve read in a while.

For some time, I’ve been thinking “Stay the course, stay the course. The Afghanis that we’re training for military ops and for running the govt, they’ll comr around. They’ll get it”.

But they’re not. There’s no amount of money that can get them to think about the big picture - securing and building a nation. If there’s someone out there who has information to the contrary, I’d be willing to hear it.

As much as it pains our psyche to admit we failed, it is time to pack it up.


21 posted on 11/05/2011 6:45:23 AM PDT by MplsSteve (Amy Klobuchar is no moderate. She's Al Franken with a nicer smile.)
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To: mortal19440

It has always been so, but that doesn’t mean the general is wrong, and he was very brave for speaking out. He probably knew that statement was a career-ender, but he put country above international political games.


22 posted on 11/05/2011 7:11:43 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: texican01

Actually, that’s always been the case. It’s nothing new. Everyone thinks those in the military have the same rights as all other US citizens, but that’s not really how it works. The First Amendment, for instance, is greatly restricted. Members of the military who want a long and happy career have to learn to be careful of what they say.


23 posted on 11/05/2011 7:15:31 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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24 posted on 11/05/2011 7:19:49 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Pan_Yan

Just keep documenting all of this. Eventually justice will come...it has to.


25 posted on 11/05/2011 7:20:58 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: xzins

“Speaking the truth, in public, in today’s Military is always a career ending event.”

Right you are! General Fuller, a patriot; General Allen, typical Wesley Clark A$$hole. Too many Allen’s have risen to the top in the miitary. They are a cancer and they have the ability to get your young son (or daughter) killed for nothing. LIke everything else, our military is now run by Clark lookalikes.


26 posted on 11/05/2011 7:58:43 AM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Pan_Yan

Equip our drones with spray tanks and dust Afghanistan with persistent nerve agent and defoliant/soil sterilant for the next five years. Turn it into Carthage.


27 posted on 11/05/2011 7:59:07 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: GodfearingTexan

Good comment.

Anyone figure out yet while we are there after driving out the taliban? I thought that was the mission...not some never ending national building by bribing those in power. Frankly, I think Karsi has an agreement with POKistan and probably the Talibsn too. He knows sooner than later we leave so why not get off the tracks now because the train is not going to stop for him.

I would add two words though to your cruise missile comment, that word would be thermo nuclear. Please don’t turn over that turd pit to the Taliban as we are doing for Iran in Iraq, at least, not in tact.


28 posted on 11/05/2011 8:17:51 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Pan_Yan

Another good and brave leader canned.

The longer a liberal Democrat is president, the worse our military officer class becomes. By worse, I mean bowing to the politicians, being “correct” on homosexuality and advancing women over men, being good at desk work and not a clue on leadership or battle skills and making the troops do chicken sh!t like painting rocks or meals on wheels, instead of battle readiness.

This happen under Carter and is happening under Omama.


29 posted on 11/05/2011 8:32:36 AM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: blueunicorn6
That sounds like a plan.

Karzai and his corrupt band of looters had better have their “bug out bags” and escape aircraft on strip alert when the Americans and other allies leave Afghanistan. Karzai and company's looters will be standing against walls in front of Taliban firing squads. (If the Taliban don't get Karzai and company's looters, there are other Afghan strongmen itching for the chance to grant these guys a Long Dirt Nap.)

30 posted on 11/05/2011 8:56:33 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: Darkwolf377

“We should fire Karzai and put this guy in his place.”

Can we put Bolton as second in command?


31 posted on 11/05/2011 9:07:25 AM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: GodfearingTexan

“The afghans have learned nothing from all of our years of mentoring and assistance.”

They have learned nothing in about 1500 years. Islam came and learning was over. All you need to know is the koran.
The problem is islam. I don’t know how anyone can fix centuries of stupid.


32 posted on 11/05/2011 9:14:46 AM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: Pan_Yan

Cain needs to talk to this general about the VP slot.


33 posted on 11/05/2011 9:22:40 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Pan_Yan

Ending this man’s military career & putting out into the media to say what he wishes might not have been the best move for Barry the Imposter.


34 posted on 11/05/2011 9:23:26 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: mortal19440

Especially when we have a POTUS who freaks out if you even mention his ears. The ego of The One is more precious than American lives.


35 posted on 11/05/2011 10:14:49 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: Pan_Yan; All
Careful, everyone... as other people have pointed out, military personnel are limited in what they can or should say in public if they disagree with their Commander in Chief or with Congressionally established policy. There's a lot they can say privately, but public comments lead to disrespect for the civilian leadership, and that cannot and should not be tolerated from a senior leader in the military.

If we had a Republican-led Congress and a conservative Republican President, if a two-star general was making public comments critical of conservative policies, many of us would be furious — and likely for good reason.

I haven't seen the full interview so I don't want to sit in judgment of the general. I am going to say any general who gets to that rank knows good and well the importance of submission of the armed forces to civilian control, and if he doesn't, there's a problem.

Either the general was misquoted or quoted out of context (possible but not likely — the reporter and the general both know if a tape recording exists, it will prove the point one way or the other) or the general did something really stupid (in which case he should be sacked) or the general did what he did knowing full well he would cause an uproar.

The day the general is out of uniform is the day he can run for office, speak out against abuse in the military or in our foreign allies, or otherwise fight bad political decisions.

Given the likelihood of the Republicans winning big next year, I don't know why the general didn't just sit tight and wait.

A lot of questions need to be answered. There may be good answers for what and why he did what he did, but we probably won't hear them until the general is out of uniform.

36 posted on 11/05/2011 11:48:42 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: org.whodat

Exactly. I recall the president saying “MacArthur isnt going to retire, that son of a bitch is going to be fired!”


37 posted on 11/05/2011 1:49:06 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Soothesayer9
And he was, hell Lincoln fired a dozen generals. And etc, etc, can not remember them all, to many.
38 posted on 11/05/2011 2:06:32 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Pan_Yan

In the military it appears to have gone from “the truth shall set you free” to “the truth will get you fired”!


39 posted on 11/05/2011 2:44:31 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: T-Bird45
[I]t is time for the US to get out while retaining armed drone sorties and some Special Forces like the “Horse Soldiers” that went in there in 2001-2. Keep any Taliban off-balance and make smoking holes where al-Qaeda leadership pops up on the landscape.

I'm with you. I'd only add that I think it's worth keeping enough US troops in Kabul to prop up a more-or-less stable government there. It'd be a crying shame to let the capital fall to the worst Islamic loonytunes after all the blood and treasure we've spent there. But that would surely take no more than a brigade; bring all the rest of our troops home. As for the rest of Afghanistan, there's no civilizing it. Just interdict terrorists in the hinterlands using drones and special forces strikes where needed. After all, history gives no example of a government in Kabul that managed to extend its writ to all Afghanistan, a fundamentally ungovernable land (I won't even call it a country).
40 posted on 11/05/2011 9:23:10 PM PDT by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: eater-of-toast

If You call it a country or not being a super power still You n Your nation need this country. If not then why You guys are still here get the hill out of here but the fact is You do not know the facts and bloging from outside. Afghanistan and US shares common goals and to achieve those goals we both need to work together and stop the blame game. Power is achieved by being together and not bY splitting apart. And for Karzai comments it was politics and it is rarely been true so far but this does mean every one got the right to talk nuts against Karzai second who knows it might be pre decided deliberately agreed action and Reaction in order to get the job done. So be cool and be positive just because You are from US does not mean you are perfect but the fact is in today’s challenges US and Afghanistan complement each other.
There has been and always will be great partnership between US and Afghanistan no matter you and I like or dislike it. Indeed our interest does not conflict but overlaps


41 posted on 11/06/2011 1:29:29 PM PST by saeed78f (Saeed Haris Hashmie from Kabul Afghanistan)
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To: saeed78f

OK, that’s weird.


42 posted on 11/06/2011 9:01:28 PM PST by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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