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Riverside County may charge inmates for incarceration costs ($142.42 a day)
LA Times ^ | 11/03/11

Posted on 11/05/2011 5:17:25 AM PDT by Libloather

Edited on 11/05/2011 6:33:52 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Riverside County supervisors voted this week to move forward with an ordinance that would force jail inmates to reimburse the county for the costs of incarcerating them.

The supervisors voted unanimously Tuesday to consider the measure introduced by Supervisor Jeff Stone. It will come back for a vote next week.


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KEYWORDS: california; charge; inmates; riverside
Why not?
1 posted on 11/05/2011 5:17:32 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

put them to work

hard labor is good for you

there are lots of big rocks that need to be made into little rocks


2 posted on 11/05/2011 5:21:10 AM PDT by Mr. K (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.)
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To: Libloather
I think it's a great idea to un-burden taxpayers from Internet fees, cable TV, high-grade food, exercise equipment costs, etc.

The bleeding hearts and the ACLU who force us to coddle the dregs of society results in Taxpayers on the hook for accomodations.

I think if we had more "Joe Arpaio-style" lockups, we'd have fewer repeat offenders.

Let them pay back from the Welfare EBT's and deduct it from their handouts.

3 posted on 11/05/2011 5:22:21 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Libloather
Why not?

Sure, get out of jail and then go out and knock off a liquor store to pay for your incarceration bill.

4 posted on 11/05/2011 5:24:52 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Libloather

That plan seems all well and good, but only if the inmate has tangible assets that can be attached.
Otherwise, how do you get blood from a turnip?


5 posted on 11/05/2011 5:27:48 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Libloather
The memo noted that the court did not expect a significant increase in revenue if the ordinance is adopted because “those defendants who are convicted of crimes and incarcerated typically have limited funds” and the jail reimbursement would come after higher-priority collections, including victim restitution, fines, penalties and assessments.

How many prisoners still have jobs? How many are wealthy enough to have the money saved up?

6 posted on 11/05/2011 5:28:10 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Libloather

Just how much money will it cost in time and resources trying to get them to pay that money?


7 posted on 11/05/2011 5:28:15 AM PDT by RetSignman (It's Fall...the "Goebbles Warmers" are packing their bags , migrating for their winter caves.)
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To: traditional1

” Let them pay back from the Welfare EBT’s and deduct it from their handouts. “

Yeah - they’re already mugging passersby and burglarizing homes to maintain their crack habit - let ‘em just work a little harder to pay their Jail Rent, too....


8 posted on 11/05/2011 5:29:43 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Libloather

Why not just kill them?


9 posted on 11/05/2011 5:33:08 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Libloather

I can just see the ACLU warming up in the bullpen over this.

For $142 bucks a night, I hope these felons at least get cable.


10 posted on 11/05/2011 5:34:01 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: AlexW
That plan seems all well and good, but only if the inmate has tangible assets that can be attached. Otherwise, how do you get blood from a turnip?

Forced labor.

11 posted on 11/05/2011 5:34:27 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: SoJoCo

So you figure the pedophiles who love jail for sex and rating around should not pay? Plenty use it for free housing and that is not right. They do not have to pay in hard currency, I am sure sweat and bood tribute will do fine like it does anyone else.


12 posted on 11/05/2011 5:34:54 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Libloather

“Why not?”

Because the vast majority of prisoners in County jails are on some form of Government assistance they would just be transferring government money from one account to another account and the net benefit to taxpayers would be zero......
Now prisoners that are jailed in work release programs, then would be different because you could take directly from their paychecks.


13 posted on 11/05/2011 5:37:42 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: JudgemAll
So you figure the pedophiles who love jail for sex and rating around should not pay? Plenty use it for free housing and that is not right. They do not have to pay in hard currency, I am sure sweat and bood tribute will do fine like it does anyone else.

Read the article; the county is looking for hard cash not indentured servitude. People who wind up in county jail generally don't have money. It's likely that the county will spend more money trying to collect than they actually take in.

14 posted on 11/05/2011 5:38:10 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: AlexW

Why you just don’t let the turnip out until it bleeds.

Which explains how Califoria is run in general...


15 posted on 11/05/2011 5:45:00 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Mr. K

Also, the one incarcerated pending legal action...who are not convicted?

I say they should be entitled to monetary Damages. Probably 700 dollars a day. And that those damages come from the jail opperating budget just to make it fair.

If you support this crap it cuts both ways.


16 posted on 11/05/2011 5:48:00 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Libloather

Sure, so then you get hauled back into court for not paying for your incarceration where you rack up an even bigger bill. Sorry, you can’t take away someone’s ability to make money, and then expect them to pay more per day than the typical jail (as opposed to prison) inmate earns in a day on the outside. This idea is just fraught with problems.


17 posted on 11/05/2011 5:50:43 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: AlexW

You have them manufacture goods.


18 posted on 11/05/2011 5:51:15 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: NittanyLion

“Forced labor.”
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Maybe so, but not very likely.
I do not think that there is much labor today that
works under whips and chains.
The best you could hope for is attachment
of wages from some prison employment, but that may very
well be taking place now.


19 posted on 11/05/2011 5:52:46 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Libloather

Stupid and unworkable idea.
Kick ‘em while their down might make some fools feel big but won’t solve any problems.


20 posted on 11/05/2011 5:57:23 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Libloather

“...the court must determine the defendant is able to pay.”

So, if you’re a complete waste of humanity who lives from the proceeds of one crime to the next (paycheck to paycheck)and has no assets, you get a certain punishment.

However, if you’ve tried to make something of yourself, have some prospects and assets, you get a certain punishment plus you have to pay for it.

Those who have tried get punished twice.


21 posted on 11/05/2011 6:01:06 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: SoJoCo

The law of unintended consequences will kick in.

In the beginning traffic tickets were created to remind people to obey traffic laws, it soon became a way for a city to raise money.

If the routine bad guys can not afford to pay for a night in jail, how soon will it be before middle class people get caught up by the law and are forced to spend a night or two in jail.

There are so many laws on the book today that it is possible to break a law without even being aware of it. So like cops looking for that broken tail light, they will begin enforcing some of these more arcane laws just for the revenue.

All of this is just a symptom of what is wrong with the country right now. Governments at all levels have forgotten what there function are and have become social workers. That is they are spending money (money they do not have) on things they have no business spending on.

Governments do not have a money problem they have a spending problem which is why we keep seeing these schemes to get more money.

Somewhere down the line there will be no more money for them to take and this entire house of cards will collapse.


22 posted on 11/05/2011 6:04:35 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: Vision

“You have them manufacture goods.”
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Uhh, I think that is covered under:
“The best you could hope for is attachment
of wages from some prison employment,”

While I have zero sympathy for convicts, I don’t think
the USSA is going to whips and chains to force labor.
Even then it would be robing Peter to pay Paul.


23 posted on 11/05/2011 6:06:19 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: OrangeHoof

Not sure about cable, but I’m positive they get valet parking.


24 posted on 11/05/2011 6:11:39 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Libloather
The question that should be asked is why does it cost such an assinine amount per day per prisoner?
It probably wouldn't take to long to figure out that cost is inflated by 1000% because of the way Kalifornia panders to prison guard unions, construction unions, environmental regulations and every other liberal wet-dream regulation.
25 posted on 11/05/2011 6:14:52 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Libloather
Riverside County supervisors voted this week to move forward with an ordinance that would force jail inmates to reimburse the county for the costs of incarcerating them.

So you put someone in jail and then bill them for room and board? What if they cannot pay? Do you extend their jail time? What if they can find room and board elsewhere for 1/4th of the cost? Will people accept the idea that they can be put away against their will and then be forced to pay a daily rate? Will they be allowed to pay in Pesos, or other currency?

26 posted on 11/05/2011 6:50:24 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Libloather

What will they do if someone can’t pay, put them in jail?


27 posted on 11/05/2011 7:18:27 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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28 posted on 11/05/2011 7:20:25 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Libloather

If cities already use red-light cameras mainly as a source of revenue, what will happen when they find out they can just lock up more prisoners?


29 posted on 11/05/2011 7:25:14 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

Treat this like the student loan program. Get out and have a $100,000 debt hanging over you. Do it the American way for a change.


30 posted on 11/05/2011 7:37:41 AM PDT by libertyhoundusnr
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To: R. Scott
“...How many prisoners still have jobs? How many are wealthy enough to have the money saved up?...”

You're probably all too right with this comment. And, if it is costing the Riverside taxpayers $142.42 per day per prisoner then the taxpayers should have a big problem with that. Only way it could be that expensive is by union workers or corruption or both. This seems to me to be a perfect candidate for kicking the county out and privatizing the county jail operation.

31 posted on 11/05/2011 7:44:14 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: AlexW

Being a little dramatic aren’t you? Making them work is the same as using whips and chains?

They should work.


32 posted on 11/05/2011 8:21:49 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: R. Scott

These fools think they are going to put liens on their houses.
Good luck with that one, jerks.


33 posted on 11/05/2011 8:24:06 AM PDT by goldi (')
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To: MrEdd
I say they should be entitled to monetary Damages. Probably 700 dollars a day. And that those damages come from the jail opperating budget just to make it fair.

I agree. I know someone who, several years ago was locked up for 7 months while waiting for trial and during trial, who was not guilty and indeed was found at trial to be not guilty. He may be the exception to the general rule but how much would it take to compensate him for 7 months of his life, loss of freedom and loss of his job?

34 posted on 11/05/2011 8:41:05 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: Libloather

I don’t agree with this.. If the criminal has any money it should go to their victums.

This policy will quickly be abused as Government starts trolling for money.


35 posted on 11/05/2011 11:14:13 AM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: Mr. K
put them to work
hard labor is good for you
there are lots of big rocks that need to be made into little rocks


36 posted on 11/05/2011 12:04:27 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Libloather

I live in this county, was raised here. I don’t know how Stone figures 3-5M per year raised by this. This may be purely reaction to MUCH frustration.

Stone recently talked to other county supervisors about trying to secede from California, and become “South California”. South California would exclude LA county. That county is a black hole sucking in tax revenue from other counties and harboring the largest concentration of gangs and feral humans. We need a wall around that place as well as the southern border.


37 posted on 11/05/2011 1:58:14 PM PDT by CPO retired
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To: Hootowl99

Privatization has worked in other areas and saved a bundle.


38 posted on 11/06/2011 4:34:55 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: goldi

Didn’t you know that most prisoners are home owners with good high paying jobs and sizable savings? < sarcasm >
It ain’t like that around here but maybe we’re different – or maybe Riverside County is out of touch with reality.


39 posted on 11/06/2011 4:40:11 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Libloather

I think there is a fair amount of misunderstanding going on,I am against this because there aren’t anyone outside of White collar or government employees committing crimes who can afford this and they don’t go to jail.

Everyone else,not a bad idea to figure out how the guilty and I mean people found guilty in a court of law should something but not these rates.

At the end of the day,it is California that is dying off a thousand cuts. Unions gone crazy, hospitals closing down due to illegal immigration and college campuses falling apart due to having no funding or real leadership.

Services are overbooked,underfunded and those using them(along with those running them) just add to the deterioration.

Bear in mind there will be more and more people getting released from jail,as the counties cannot afford to keep them.For the law to have bite in California,it needs to stay funded,right now money goes to Pensions and all kinds of idiotic programs.


40 posted on 11/13/2011 12:07:13 AM PST by Del Rapier
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To: Mr. K

Great... let’s give a corrupt city/county government more power over the sheeple. You are quite the conservative.


41 posted on 11/13/2011 12:17:04 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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