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Iraq is now lost, and it's Obama's fault
The Charlotte Observer ^ | 11/5/2011 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 11/05/2011 7:29:03 PM PDT by boatbums

Barack Obama was a principled opponent of the Iraq War from its beginning. But when he became president in January 2009, he was handed a war that was won. The surge had succeeded. Al-Qaida in Iraq had been routed, driven to humiliating defeat by an Anbar Awakening of Sunnis fighting side-by-side with the infidel Americans. Even more remarkably, the Shiite militias had been taken down, with American backing, by the forces of Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. They crushed the Sadr militias from Basra to Sadr City.

Al-Qaida decimated. A Shiite prime minister taking a decisively nationalist line. Iraqi Sunnis ready to integrate into a new national government. U.S. casualties at their lowest ebb in the entire war. Elections approaching. Obama was left with but a single task: Negotiate a new status-of-forces agreement (SOFA) to reinforce these gains and create a strategic partnership with the Arab world's only democracy.

He blew it. Negotiations, such as they were, collapsed last month. There is no agreement, no partnership. As of Dec. 31, the American military presence in Iraq will end.

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/11/05/2748329/iraq-is-now-lost-and-its-obamas.html#ixzz1ct71BT8w


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: charleskrauthammer; iraq; iraqwar; krauthammer; obamafailure; obamaswar
Add this to the list of Obama failures. Though, he will more than likely hype it as another fulfillment of a campaign promise.
1 posted on 11/05/2011 7:29:05 PM PDT by boatbums
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To: boatbums

Cut -N- Run


2 posted on 11/05/2011 7:32:02 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: boatbums

And George W. Bush will remain politely silent.


3 posted on 11/05/2011 7:32:05 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: boatbums

What a disgusting POS this man is.

I could just cry at this turn of events. After all that...Once again the Libs Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...VN Redux!


4 posted on 11/05/2011 7:33:09 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: boatbums

obama lied, the free world died.


5 posted on 11/05/2011 7:34:52 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hail to the Thief)
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To: DainBramage

Is Syria next¿


6 posted on 11/05/2011 7:34:55 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: boatbums

Iraq

http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm

http://www.duckdaotsu.org/valor.html


7 posted on 11/05/2011 7:40:53 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: boatbums

The traitor Rats deliberately lost Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Iran,...... the list goes on and Americans are so stupid they can’t see consistency.


8 posted on 11/05/2011 7:47:59 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: unkus
Yeah, but it probably was baked in by Bush's foolish vacillation about nation building and "sovereignty" versus crushing the enemy.

Bush was the one who weakly mused that if "a sovereign Iraq" wanted us to leave we would have to leave. Can you imagine Truman saying that about postwar Japan?

9 posted on 11/05/2011 7:48:14 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: boatbums

Oh, don’t place all the blame on 0bama.

Iraq has pretty much been lost since the Parthians were defeated.

Obama just made sure that they won’t have a chance to thrive like they did two thousand years ago.


10 posted on 11/05/2011 7:51:30 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: hinckley buzzard

You’re right.

Bush hardly defended himself when in office so why say much now?

It’s all “New World Order” as Bush 41 said many times.


11 posted on 11/05/2011 7:52:07 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: boatbums

Iraq was destined to be lost the moment we left, unless you want to stay there forever, there is nothing we can do about it.


12 posted on 11/05/2011 7:58:43 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: boatbums

But I bet Krauthammer would still vote for him.


13 posted on 11/05/2011 8:20:14 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks boatbums.
Obama was left with but a single task: Negotiate a new status-of-forces agreement (SOFA) to reinforce these gains and create a strategic partnership with the Arab world's only democracy. He blew it. Negotiations, such as they were, collapsed last month. There is no agreement, no partnership.

14 posted on 11/05/2011 8:21:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Krauthammer endorsed and voted for McCain.


15 posted on 11/05/2011 8:29:08 PM PDT by FredZarguna (The Clinton long-knives: a better barometer than Intrade.)
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To: boatbums
Since Beck left, I don't watch Baier. I'm thankful to miss the pretentious bloviations of the so smawht Kraut.

Remember, Kraut thinks precious One is eloquent and elegant.

16 posted on 11/05/2011 8:41:30 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: boatbums

We should have stated pulling out when they had their first free election...after that they should have won or lost freedom on their own...purple fingers and we have done our job..


17 posted on 11/05/2011 8:58:00 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: boatbums

Let those ingrates take care of themselves.


18 posted on 11/05/2011 9:24:58 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: boatbums

Krauthammer nails it.


19 posted on 11/05/2011 9:59:39 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: All

From the rest of the article:

And it’s not as if that deadline snuck up on Obama. He had three years to prepare for it. Everyone involved, Iraqi and American, knew that the 2008 SOFA calling for full U.S. withdrawal was meant to be renegotiated. And all major parties but one (the Sadr faction) had an interest in some residual stabilizing U.S. force.

Three years, two abject failures. The first was the administration’s inability, at the height of American post-surge power, to broker a centrist nationalist coalition governed by the major blocs - one predominantly Shiite (Maliki’s), one predominantly Sunni (Ayad Allawi’s), one Kurdish - that among them won a large majority (69 percent) of seats in the 2010 election.

Vice President Joe Biden was given the job. He failed utterly. The government ended up effectively being run by a narrow sectarian coalition where the balance of power is held by the relatively small (12 percent) Iranian-client Sadr faction.

The second failure was the SOFA itself. The military recommended nearly 20,000 troops, considerably fewer than our 28,500 in Korea, 40,000 in Japan and 54,000 in Germany. The president rejected those proposals, choosing instead 3,000 to 5,000 troops.

A deployment so risibly small would have to expend all its energies simply protecting itself - the fate of our tragic, missionless 1982 Lebanon deployment - with no real capability to train the Iraqis, build their U.S.-equipped air force, mediate ethnic disputes, operate surveillance, and establish the kind of close military-to-military relations that undergird our strongest alliances.

The Obama proposal was an unmistakable signal of unseriousness. It became clear that he simply wanted out, leaving any Iraqi foolish enough to maintain a pro-American orientation exposed to Iranian influence. Message received. Just this past week, Massoud Barzani, leader of the Kurds - for two decades the staunchest of U.S. allies - visited Tehran to bend a knee to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

It didn’t have to be this way. Our friends did not have to be left out in the cold to seek Iranian protection. Three years and a won war had given Obama the opportunity to establish a lasting strategic alliance with the Arab world’s second most important power. He failed, though he didn’t try very hard. The excuse is Iraqi refusal to grant legal immunity to U.S. forces. But the Bush administration encountered the same problem, and overcame it. Obama had little desire to. Indeed, he portrays the evacuation as the fulfillment of a campaign promise.

But surely the obligation to defend the security and the interests of the nation supersede personal vindication. Obama opposed the war, but when he became commander in chief the terrible price had already been paid in blood and treasure. His obligation was to make something of that sacrifice, to secure the strategic gains that sacrifice had already achieved.

He did not. After years of allegedly clumsy brutish force, Obama was to usher in an era of not hard power, not soft power, but smart power.

Which turns out in Iraq to be ... no power. Years from now we will be asking not “Who lost Iraq?” - that already is clear - but “Why?”


20 posted on 11/05/2011 10:16:12 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: unkus
And George W. Bush will remain politely silent.

It's folly to think Iraq could be won. We set them up with a constitution based on Sharia. We made it worse for the remaining Christians. We pissed away a lot of our wealth on social improvements. Iraq is a folly. Always was and always will be. This one is Bush's fault.

The respectable way to treat Islamic nations who act against us is to sink their navies, bomb their airfields, and destroy their mechanized units all from the air. Use them as target practice. Don't spend anything on helping them to rebuild. Just weaken those in power so they have to fight for their lives against civil unrest. Let them kill each other off. In more extreme cases, give them the Carthage treatment.

21 posted on 11/05/2011 10:27:11 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

I agree with every word. Thanks.


22 posted on 11/05/2011 10:30:49 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: boatbums

Very good perspective.


23 posted on 11/05/2011 10:33:46 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Husker24
Iraq was destined to be lost the moment we left, unless you want to stay there forever, there is nothing we can do about it.

Maybe, maybe not. As the article goes on to say, The military recommended nearly 20,000 troops, considerably fewer than our 28,500 in Korea, 40,000 in Japan and 54,000 in Germany. The president rejected those proposals, choosing instead 3,000 to 5,000 troops. We seem to be "staying forever" in other countries in order to look after our interests. It seems Obama doesn't care about that. The meager few thousand troops left there will likely be spending all their time defending themselves from "insurgent" attacks rather than helping a country establish democratic reforms. I remember very well the purple ink stained fingers and the broad smiles of the Iraqi people when the got to vote in a REAL election for the first time in four decades. It brought me to tears. It also made me appreciate the rights we seem to take for granted. Rights this President is hacking away at day by day.

It's telling that the current Kurdish leader, Massoud Barzani, - for two decades the staunchest of U.S. allies - visited Tehran to bend a knee to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. What choice did they have? If America is not going to look out for them, the only other "protection" out there IS Iran. Obama took the thousands of American and Allied lives lost in this war and the tens of BILLIONS of dollars spent in Iraq since the start and, for another "campaign promise" to be checked off the to-do list, tossed them all into the trash bin of history. Something Liberals seem to think shows "progress". I call it treason and cowardice. Please, God, let America survive "progress".

24 posted on 11/05/2011 10:38:18 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: Mamzelle
I don't “watch” any of them, preferring to read what they actually say. I don't think Krauthammer is wrong about this but nails Obama with the unvarnished truth.
25 posted on 11/05/2011 10:42:44 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: unkus
“Bush hardly defended himself ...”

That use to make me so mad I'd scream at the TV and demand he call them out for calling him a liar. But, he never did and I believe that is his downfall.

26 posted on 11/05/2011 10:58:12 PM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kuffir!)
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To: boatbums

Neocon foreign policy lost.


27 posted on 11/06/2011 1:32:26 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Right on.


28 posted on 11/06/2011 1:33:49 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: boatbums

umm... fault? it’s not usually considered your ‘fault’ when you obtain the goal you desired

iraq being run by the mooselim bro-hood is a victory for 0failure

he’s had one victory after another. as he said, he’s made all the right moves.

it’s your fault for mistaking his goals


29 posted on 11/06/2011 1:38:22 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: goat granny; boatbums
We should have stated pulling out when they had their first free election...after that they should have won or lost freedom on their own...purple fingers and we have done our job.

News coverage for the last year or so by people who aren't total MSM liardrones, indicates the Iraqis are on the same page and pretty much get it.

If we had kept a few people there, it would have been less for "training" than as a tag on the IRGC mouth-breathers across the border.

We didn't waste our time. "Training" can take place in Saudi, Jordan, Qatar, wherever. We don't have to have guys hanging out waiting for a Sadr Brigade truck bomber to drive up. Everyone should take a chill pill. This can be worked out (Obozo won't want to work out, but that's another problem, all ours).

30 posted on 11/06/2011 2:07:41 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: boatbums
 
 
15 March 2003
 
 

31 posted on 11/06/2011 3:21:03 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Amen....Chuck will still vote for Obama if a Christian is the candidate for our side.


32 posted on 11/06/2011 3:26:28 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: cameraeye

I know exactly what you mean. It’s a big game, I’m coming to beleive.


33 posted on 11/06/2011 8:53:57 AM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: hinckley buzzard

The idea of nation building Iraq into a pro western democracy was a utopian fantasy from the very start. It’s an idea promoted by half-baked Western elites who make an idol out of democracy, insisting that democracy is the messiah that will bring peace to the world.

The underlying Islamic culture will always dominate Iraq. Giving it a democratic veneer is meaningless, unless you believe that having Iraq’s Muslims vote to oppress their Christians and other religious minorities is a rousing success.

Once we tire of spending the lives of our military and money that we borrow from the Chinese we will leave, whether that’s now or 50 years from now. Islam will still be there waiting to reassert itself with an internecine struggle for dominance between the Shia and Sunni.

What does work is finding authoritarian leaders who we can work with in Islamic countries, and supporting them. And even then we need to be wary. None of this will be of any consequence if the idea of a Caliphate spreads throughout the Umma.


34 posted on 11/06/2011 3:57:08 PM PST by Pelham (Every nation that rose to power did so by protecting its manufacturing base)
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To: boatbums

It won’t be too long before those people with the purple thumbs begin seeking asylum. And I wouldn’t blame the a bit.


35 posted on 11/06/2011 8:40:23 PM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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