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Ohio Voters Look Set To Dump Republicans' Anti-Union Law
LATimes ^ | November 05, 2011 | Paul West

Posted on 11/05/2011 8:39:11 PM PDT by Steelfish

Ohio Voters Look Set To Dump Republicans' Anti-Union Law The balloting will be closely watched in a state that could be pivotal in the 2012 presidential election.

By Paul West November 5, 2011 Reporting from Hanoverton, Ohio— An aggressive Republican drive to weaken the labor rights of government workers appears to have crested, at least in Ohio, where voters are expected to throw out a far-reaching anti-union law this week.

The referendum over collective bargaining for public employees, potentially the most important contest in off-year elections around the nation, is being closely watched for clues about shifting voter trends in a state expected to play its usual outsized role in next year's presidential contest.

Barely seven months ago, newly elected Gov. John Kasich joined other Republican governors, including Wisconsin's Scott Walker, in defying angry street demonstrations to push through a measure designed to curb the power of public-employee unions.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: johnkasich; ohio; unions
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1 posted on 11/05/2011 8:39:12 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

I hope they don’t vot it down. That would only serve to bolster and embolden Team Obama thru next November.

This is, after all, the LAT, so taken with a grain of salt.


2 posted on 11/05/2011 8:42:15 PM PDT by EDINVA (We Can't Wait, either)
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To: Steelfish
This is hopeful thinking on the part of the Lamestream media. Yes on Issue 2 was up 30% just a few weeks ago and there are plenty of property owners going to vote because of school levys.

From what I see, it will be about 60/40 to retain Kashich's program.

Go you Buckeyes.

3 posted on 11/05/2011 8:45:48 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: EDINVA

I asked this on another thread, but why “must” cops be unionized?


4 posted on 11/05/2011 8:46:17 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I have my doubts...but I hope you’re right.

Honestly, they should have passed the provisions in this bill in parts instead of one gigantic bill.


5 posted on 11/05/2011 8:47:16 PM PDT by RockinRight (One year from now, we have an opportunity to take our nation back.)
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To: EDINVA
The LAT doesn't really comprehend Ohio. They don't even know how to pronounce the name.

Ohio has a long history of taxpayers voting down bonds to build new schools for overpaid teachers.

During hard times taxpayers have an even greater incentive to vote down overpaid teachers!

Bwahahahahaha!

6 posted on 11/05/2011 8:48:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EDINVA

Was a poll done on this issue to show which way the voters are leaning? I don’t see any specific poll mentioned in the article to back up the title of the article.


7 posted on 11/05/2011 8:48:52 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Steelfish

I suspect Senate Bill 5 will be repealed, unfortunately. I’m confident that several parts of the law will be passed as separate bills; had the components of SB5 been passed singly in the first place, there would never had been a referendum drive to have it repealed.


8 posted on 11/05/2011 8:49:26 PM PDT by TonyInOhio
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To: RockinRight

If it fails, breaking it into pieces is what will happen, in addition to some layoffs.


9 posted on 11/05/2011 8:49:36 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Bosco

As Ohio goes, so goes Obama


10 posted on 11/05/2011 8:52:13 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
If the people of Ohio are stupid enough to vote themselves into tax slavery and third world poverty, then they deserve to be slaves in each little public employees' fiefdom.
11 posted on 11/05/2011 8:52:54 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Steelfish

the la times wonders why in a few years they will

have to stop publishing their paper.


12 posted on 11/05/2011 8:53:49 PM PDT by ken21
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To: boop

I *think* the cops became unionize originally as a sort of cooperative, for protection against suits to individual cops, and to be able to deal with the brass collectively rather than individually on things like promotions. I’d rather see them, and teachers, and others on the public payroll, in an actual trade association or trade cooperative, rather than union.

There has to be something more effective than unions that would offer the protections they need without the thuggery. Then again, the biggest teachers union is misnamed the “National Education Association.”

I don’t personally believe in unions for public employees, but understand there’s a lot of politics involved in those jobs, as to who gets what promotion. I suppose the members see it as protection if they are personally not favored by the power-brokers.


13 posted on 11/05/2011 8:56:06 PM PDT by EDINVA (We Can't Wait, either)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

From your lips (keyboard) to God’s ears. Ohio people, support your Governor, John Kasich. Support a right to work state.


14 posted on 11/05/2011 8:58:04 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; ohioWfan

Support Governor Kasich!


15 posted on 11/05/2011 9:00:02 PM PDT by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: muawiyah

The LAT reporter went to a local union hall and took a poll, isn’t that good enough for you?

“Ohio has a long history of taxpayers voting down bonds to build new schools for overpaid teachers.”

It should happen here in Fairfax County. I can’t remember a single election when a school bond referendum wasn’t on the ballot. And they ALWAYS win. ALWAYS. This year will be no different.


16 posted on 11/05/2011 9:04:35 PM PDT by EDINVA (We Can't Wait, either)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Boy I hope you’re right. A win here will really pour gasoline on the fire that the same union thugs will light off next month to recall Gov. Scott Walker in Wisconsin, and will be translated as proof that the Tea Party is dead and progressives are back in control.


17 posted on 11/05/2011 9:05:42 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: EDINVA
This is, after all, the LAT, so taken with a grain of salt.

No, it's going down.

18 posted on 11/05/2011 9:08:17 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: CaptainK
Was a poll done on this issue to show which way the voters are leaning?

Plenty of polling. None show us any better than a 15 point loss.

19 posted on 11/05/2011 9:09:24 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Steelfish

This is Issue 2 on our ballot and it will likely be defeated. There have been radio and tv ads running non-stop for weeks telling people to vote NO. All of the ads make people believe that they will not have police or firemen available when they have an emergency. The pro-issue 2 backers have done nothing to combat this. People are simply not properly informed about the issue.


20 posted on 11/05/2011 9:11:24 PM PDT by indubitably
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To: buccaneer81

Those are pretty bad odds.


21 posted on 11/05/2011 9:11:54 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: indubitably

That old bag from Cincinnati is a real POS.


22 posted on 11/05/2011 9:12:32 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: boop
I asked this on another thread, but why “must” cops be unionized?

The only reason that I can think of is representation in case an officer is accused of something. I consider that to be a legitimate reason.

23 posted on 11/05/2011 9:15:04 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999er for Cain.)
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To: Steelfish

If you do a Google search on - voting ohio issue 2 - there are three paid ads at the top of the page. All three are to vote no on issue 2. One of the ads is a link that goes to: oh.barackobama.com/no-on-issue-2


24 posted on 11/05/2011 9:15:06 PM PDT by indubitably
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To: Steelfish

I know two votes of yes in this house.I so far have heard no one except those who are far left want to dump it that and all of the public union members but I repeat myself...


25 posted on 11/05/2011 9:15:50 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: CaptainK
Here's what the stupid sheeple suckers have fallen for:

I Hate This Old Bag

26 posted on 11/05/2011 9:16:13 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
From what I see, it will be about 60/40 to retain Kashich's program.

Then you must not have seen much. In virtually every poll Issue 2 is not just losing badly, it's losing by as much as 25 points. The unions have sunk tens of millions of dollars and run one of the most deceptive ad campaigns in history. It is very difficult to overcome this much of a cash disadvantage. Realistically, it looks to me like Kasich is going to lose this one by around 5-10 points. I hope to heck I'm wrong, but I don't think so. If there is any good news that comes from it is we've forced the unions to waste a crapload of money they'd otherwise have sunk into the 2012 elections.

27 posted on 11/05/2011 9:21:15 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Steelfish

I’m not in Ohio, but I think the media folks may well be in for a suprise this week.

This is a money issue for the voters, and I can’t see the frugal side of the issue losing, particularly by the margins that these polls are suggesting it will be.

Austerity is pretty popular with the general public, and not just conservatives.


28 posted on 11/05/2011 9:23:23 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: indubitably

Ohio unions are doing what the CA unions did which was to carpet bomb Arnold’s anti-union initiatives with a blanket of ads that went down in flames. Ohio’s Kasich needs to go on the offensive.


29 posted on 11/05/2011 9:25:42 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: EDINVA

If Ohio goes this way, there was be a lot of businesses headed for Texas.


30 posted on 11/05/2011 9:26:03 PM PDT by RobbyS (Viva Christus Rex.)
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To: I_Like_Spam

On this issue, with the way it has been mishandled by our side, you couldn’t be more wrong.


31 posted on 11/05/2011 9:26:31 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Steelfish
Ohio’s Kasich needs to go on the offensive.

Kasich's problem is that he has a mouth/brain disconnect much like Joe Biden.

Kasich is half the reason we're going to lose on Tuesday.

An example:

The Cop Is An Idiot!

32 posted on 11/05/2011 9:30:31 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Steelfish

States that want to embrace the destructiveness of Unions and big government = HUGE, billion dollar opportunities for other states who disdain the same.

Why can’t they see this PLAIN AS DAY truth?


33 posted on 11/05/2011 9:31:25 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy

Most people don’t read newspapers or tune into FOX. We have a brainwashed electorate that every marketing agent will tell you is that people can be sold anything if the packaging is right. This is what the unions are doing in Ohio and the Walker recall in Wisconsin.


34 posted on 11/05/2011 9:37:48 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: buccaneer81

I don’t know about Kasich, but the fact is that the unions are making a big play for Republican votes. The unions know that the environmental greens have lost control and that if they want jobs, they are going to have to woo the Republicans. The coal lobby still hates the natural gas/petroleum industry, but they hate the Greens more.

There is a big struggle going on within the Democrat Party, unions vs the greens. The unions will go side with whomever makes the best offer.

In WA state, the GOP is siding with the union, on such things as WEA health care and SEIU contracts, as well as the Democrat crony capitalist projects that are designed to funnel money to the Democrat special interests, who turn around and donate the money back to the Democrat Party.


35 posted on 11/05/2011 9:39:22 PM PDT by Eva
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To: RockinRight
"Honestly, they should have passed the provisions in this bill in parts instead of one gigantic bill."

I don't know why they can't make things simple. I used to work as a consultant at a state agency several years ago. One of my buddies who's worked for the state for 20 years told me if issue 2 passes, his seniority will mean nothing and Ohio will eliminate workers based on salaries.

Seems to me that's a little more than just making them pay for their own health insurance.

But I still say screw the unions.

36 posted on 11/05/2011 9:48:19 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Eva

The greens are a big fat zero here in Ohio. A total non-existent factor. “Green” here means having a gas grill vs charcoal.


37 posted on 11/05/2011 9:53:09 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Slump Tester
One of my buddies who's worked for the state for 20 years told me if issue 2 passes, his seniority will mean nothing and Ohio will eliminate workers based on salaries.

Your friend is...fibbing.

38 posted on 11/05/2011 9:54:43 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: EDINVA
I can’t remember a single election when a school bond referendum wasn’t on the ballot. And they ALWAYS win. ALWAYS.

That is because the liberals (unions, teachers, etc) are better at lying to sell those bills to the stupid, and uninformed masses! The devil is on their side and the majority of the DEMS are just EVIL.
39 posted on 11/05/2011 10:14:30 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Steelfish

Evidently they like paying high taxes.


40 posted on 11/05/2011 10:18:46 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: Mike Darancette
in case an officer is accused of something

Of what? Like taking payoffs? Setting up innocent citizens to take the fall for something they did not do? Taking citizens (i.e. non LEO's) to court for things like video taping them commuting crimes or not doing their duties?

A large section of the LEO community is against the citizens they swear to protect. They hold us in contempt of being citizens and paying their salaries, benefits, and huge retirements. We will never see what the average Leo (or teacher, or state or local worker sees in salary and benefits (including retirements).

That is a real crime that happens all the time. Civil servants making more than those they "serve". We serve them on gold platters. Worse they have UNIONS to protect their jobs in a job that has no competition.

That is the REAL CRIME.
41 posted on 11/05/2011 10:28:33 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: EyeGuy
Why can’t they see this PLAIN AS DAY truth?

Because they are like the citizens of Greece who think the nanny state will always be there. Worse they do not realize that they have to be one of those who must sacrifice anything for all citizens to survive.

Total disconnect with the realities of the facts.
42 posted on 11/05/2011 10:43:06 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: EyeGuy
Why can’t they see this PLAIN AS DAY truth?

Because they are like the citizens of Greece who think the nanny state will always be there. Worse they do not realize that they have to be one of those who must sacrifice anything for all citizens to survive.

Total disconnect with the realities of the facts of life.
43 posted on 11/05/2011 10:44:11 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Steelfish

“We have a brainwashed electorate that every marketing agent will tell you is that people can be sold anything if the packaging is right.”

What you said is 110% correct. Witness Obama’s election 2008. That was about as cleanly and slickly packaged as any I’ve seen.

Having said that, it’s about high time that the GOP learns how to both market AND take the offense with our ideas. Frankly, we suck at it.


44 posted on 11/05/2011 11:15:55 PM PDT by MplsSteve (Amy Klobuchar is no moderate. She's Al Franken with a nicer smile.)
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To: MplsSteve

Here in WA we have an initiative on the ballot that basically says a toll road can collect only for the building and maintenance of...roads. NOT to go into general funds so it can be wasted. ALL I’ve seen are scare ads put out by UNIONS. So it will probably pass easily. I’ve never understood republicans. They fight to have things passed, have initiatives put on ballots, and then DON’T spend money to defend them. I know unions have virtually unlimited funds, (courtesy of the taxpayers they are screwing) but it enrages me that our side doesn’t put up some bucks in these fights.


45 posted on 11/05/2011 11:41:24 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: buccaneer81

I’m in Ohio and I’ve heard many radio ads with Governor Kasich asking Ohio voters to vote YES on issue 2. Notice that people think a no vote means the opposite of what the vote really means. There are 2 in this household also voting YES.

Screw the overpaid union workers who make more than the taxpayers paying their wages and benefits. IF this goes down, then Buckeyes are dumber than I thought.


46 posted on 11/05/2011 11:46:19 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Steelfish

Why are whites up north historically more socially leftist than down south?

Immigration sources or religion or industry

Kick those cracker lefties out yall


47 posted on 11/06/2011 1:03:55 AM PST by wardaddy (Ethnonationalist...I'll cop to that....Suicide of a Superpower)
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To: bigbob

All politics is local and people will vote there own best interests. In Wisconsin the law passed which stripped unions of their collective bargaining “right” has already paid dividends in the form of preventing layoffs and closing education budget deficits in various districts. The people of Wisconsin are being made aware of this and the comparisons of what was happening before the bill was passed and after are stark.

Plus the libs need 550,000 legitimate signatures just to bring it to a vote. It’s a pretty steep hill to climb.


48 posted on 11/06/2011 1:44:58 AM PST by 101voodoo
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Ohio is not a right to work state, unfortunately. It needs to be.


49 posted on 11/06/2011 1:59:18 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Slump Tester

Our son-in-law works for the city and serves as a union steward. He is convinced if Issue 2 passes he will be laid off on Wednesday. He has been told the city has been compiling a list of people to fire for several years in anticipation of this. How the city was able to foresee such a vote he can’t answer. Otherwise he is a smart man.


50 posted on 11/06/2011 2:11:10 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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