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Nazi-saluting nationalists march through Moscow in 'Take back Russia' protest over Muslim migrants
Daily Mail ^ | 11/5/11 | Craig Mackenzie

Posted on 11/05/2011 10:33:50 PM PDT by Nachum

Thousands of far-right Nazi-saluting nationalists marched in Moscow today in a 'Take Back Russia' protest at Muslim migrants.

Resentment is growing over the migrants from Russia's Caucasus and the money the Kremlin sends to those troubled regions.

Chanting 'Russia for Russians' and 'Migrants today, occupiers tomorrow,' about 5,000 demonstrators

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: commie; islam; march; moscow; nationalists; nazisaluting; nazy; russia

1 posted on 11/05/2011 10:33:53 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

It is irritating linking Nazism to anti-immigration movement against Islamic radicals, which would give justification for the leftist liberals in US to crack down on anti-immigration policies comparing it with original anti-semitism in Nazi Germany. Russian Nazi movement is being counter productive for anti-immigration movement in US.


2 posted on 11/05/2011 10:38:06 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: Nachum

This movement could also be a threat for Jews on the long run, which anti-Semitism promoting leftists around the world may link the movement identical to compare counter terrorism efforts in Israel, allowing leftists to name Jews as Neo Nazis engaging in religious cleansing. This movement requires careful handling to avoid leftists to attack American conservative values against illegal migrants as well as for Israel.


3 posted on 11/05/2011 10:45:46 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: Nachum

I didn’t see a Swastica. They wouldn’t go that far.


4 posted on 11/05/2011 10:55:20 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Nachum

Bit ironic, considering the alliance that existed between Islam and the 3rd Reich.


5 posted on 11/05/2011 10:59:29 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: Nachum

According to the liberal media any white person who opposes being made a racial minority in their own country is a nazi.


6 posted on 11/06/2011 12:53:07 AM PDT by Silver Sabre
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To: VR-21
The Nazi's didn't have allies. They had dupes they hadn't yet devoured; ask the Poles and the Ruskies.

The BIG Irony: Sixty-five years after WWII we've got commies occupying Wall Street and the Russians have Nazi's marching in Moscow.

7 posted on 11/06/2011 12:55:45 AM PDT by FredZarguna (And I understand he's developing nuclear capabilities.)
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To: FredZarguna

Last time I checked Poland was invaded by Russia as well.


8 posted on 11/06/2011 1:04:10 AM PDT by Silver Sabre
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To: Silver Sabre

Check earlier. Poland was an ally of Nazi Germany and participated in the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia. Like the Russians, the Poles paid dearly for their opportunism.


9 posted on 11/06/2011 1:24:31 AM PDT by FredZarguna (And I understand he's developing nuclear capabilities.)
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To: FredZarguna

Wow, I didn’t know that. Russia did however invade Poland three weeks after Germany.


10 posted on 11/06/2011 1:29:28 AM PDT by Silver Sabre
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To: Silver Sabre
As a benefit of the Molotov-Ribbentrop (Nazi-Soviet) nonaggression pact, the Soviets were "invited" (in fact expected) to participate in the invasion of Poland from the very beginning; secret protocols of the treaty had laid out in clear detail exactly what parts of Poland would belong to each country, and even how large the German controlled neutral zone between them would be, as well as future plans for the Baltic States and other aspects of the respective "Spheres of Influence." Of course neither dictator intended to honor the treaty any longer than it suited him.

The cagey and very cynical Stalin delayed his invasion with the excuse that the Nazis had struck before he was able to mobilize. In fact, he was waiting for several things: 1) he wanted to know (and discovered to his very great horror) just how capable the German war machine was 2) what exactly France and England would be able to do in practical terms at the onset of hostilities (nothing.) Once he saw the lay of the land, he launched his attack. The Poles were already pretty much defeated at that point. A lot of Polish units retreated directly into Stalin's "invasion." Some Polish officers even believed the Russians -- afraid of having Nazi forces on the brink of their frontier -- had arrived to help them.

It goes without saying that Germany's other allies; Hungary, Rumania, certainly the Arabs and even the Italians would eventually have received the same treatment if the Russian invasion had succeeded. None of them were "Aryan" races, and none of them would have escaped slavery -- or worse.

11 posted on 11/06/2011 1:58:00 AM PDT by FredZarguna (And I understand he's developing nuclear capabilities.)
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To: FredZarguna
There were also some Polish nationalists who wanted a war with Germany. They thought it would be a WWI style war in which they could hold off the Germans indefinitely, and France and Britain would crush Germany. Then they could take East Prussia.

Bad plan.

12 posted on 11/06/2011 1:00:15 AM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: Hugin

Some people think Stalin was about two weeks away from invading Germany when Germany invaded Russia. What do you think or know about this?


13 posted on 11/06/2011 3:03:05 AM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: Nachum

Glad to see russia is continuing to have their own little mooselimb problems.


14 posted on 11/06/2011 3:04:26 AM PST by Joe Boucher (FUBO ( Real conservative or go fish) Sooo, that leaves you out Mitt)
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To: Wiz

“It is irritating linking Nazism to anti-immigration movement against Islamic radicals, which would give justification for the leftist liberals in US to crack down on anti-immigration policies comparing it with original anti-semitism in Nazi Germany. Russian Nazi movement is being counter productive for anti-immigration movement in US.”

I agree. They have a HUGE problem with Muslims in the parts of Russia that have been Russian for thousands of years. It sucks that the protesters have to use Nazi crap to get the attention drawn to it that they need to.


15 posted on 11/06/2011 4:18:30 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: Joe Boucher

“Glad to see russia is continuing to have their own little mooselimb problems.”

I’m not - we’re going to need their help against China this century.


16 posted on 11/06/2011 4:20:25 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: BobL

Russia will surrender lands to China with nary a peep. It will be over before they even know there is a problem.


17 posted on 11/06/2011 4:26:26 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: unkus

If this is the “Nashi” (roughly meaning `our folks’) group, they display red flags with a black hammer & sickle in a white circle a la NSDAP party banner.

Anyway, the MSM template applies here as well that ANY opposition to muzzie encroachment is to be condemned as “racist”, whatever that is.


18 posted on 11/06/2011 4:29:14 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: bert

“Russia will surrender lands to China with nary a peep. It will be over before they even know there is a problem.”

...Don’t bet on it. That’s all their wealth, and Russia has the hardware to give China (or us, for that matter) one mean bloody nose. It’s really up to Russia if they want to give it away.


19 posted on 11/06/2011 4:35:24 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: Nachum

NAZIs were NOT “right-wing”.

NAZI=National Socialist Workers Party

i.e. LEFT-WING Socialists


20 posted on 11/06/2011 4:44:38 AM PST by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: Silver Sabre
Some people think Stalin was about two weeks away from invading Germany when Germany invaded Russia. What do you think or know about this?
I'm no expert, and I know there are several experts here in FR, but my understanding is that Stalin had recently (early 40s) purged his general staff and other officers and that the Soviet military was in disarray, which is one of the reasons the German invasion went so smoothly in the early weeks.
21 posted on 11/06/2011 4:55:04 AM PST by samtheman
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To: BobL

Just good to see Russia has nagging concerns to keep it busy and on its toes.


22 posted on 11/06/2011 6:05:33 AM PST by Joe Boucher (FUBO ( Real conservative or go fish) Sooo, that leaves you out Mitt)
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To: Nachum
Thousands of far-right Nazi-saluting nationalists

I wonder if the author would care to explain what aspects of "national socialism" reflect the "far right" beliefs in smaller, limited government, less taxation and the belief in God given rights and a Constitution as an affirmation of those God given right?

Leftist idiots will try to say otherwise forever, but they are all the children of the Nazis - national socialists...

23 posted on 11/06/2011 6:26:27 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Silver Sabre
It is true Stalin had the Red Army in offensive positions rather than defensive, but I don't know of anything that would indicate they were about to attack. In fact trainloads of raw materials were still rolling to the Germans from Russia when the invasion started. In any case, the Red Army was in no condition to invade anybody, as evidenced by their failure in Finland. The Soviet strategy had been to let German and Western allies exhaust each other, but the rapid fall of France was a shock. Stalin clearly didn't believe he was going to be attacked, and suspected Churchill was trying to trick him into going to war with Germany. Churchill writes in his memoirs that he sent Stalin a simple one paragraph telegram a few days before the invasion telling him that the German panzers had been moved to the border. He hoped the brevity of the message would get Stalin's attention. What he didn't know was his ambassador had seen Stalin the day before and spent some time attempting to get him to ally with Britain, which defeated the purpose.

As it turns out, Stalin already knew the Germans had moved into the neutral zone, because they had told him. Their excuse was they needed to move their forces beyond the range of British bombers. Stalin's main concern seemed to be an accidental war with Germany. He ordered his troops not to respond to any “provocations”, but nobody knew exactly what a “provocation” was supposed to be, so in may cases they didn't resist the initial German attacks until it was too late. Stalin himself was shocked and went into a deep depression for weeks following the invasion. I remember Churchill's line about Stalin's actions in his memoirs, “The wicked are not always clever, and dictators are not always right”.

24 posted on 11/06/2011 11:39:28 AM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: newfreep
NAZIs were NOT “right-wing”. NAZI=National Socialist Workers Party i.e. LEFT-WING Socialists

The Nazis combined elements of the left (socialism) and the right (nationalism). A lot of confusion comes from the huge diffence between the European "right" and the American "right". In Europe, prior to WWI, the conservatism meant supporting the status quo, monarchy, strong national government, state religion, etc. In the USA, we got rid of all the "conservatives" (Torries) following the Revolution, and founded the country on the classic liberalism of John Locke. So conservatives in Europe were statists while in America conservitism is about preserving classic liberalism. Not to be confused with modern liberalism, which is just watered down (or not) socialism.

25 posted on 11/06/2011 11:54:06 AM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: Hugin
You're right. Poland was a somewhat conflicted country in 1939; antisemitism ran high and some in the intellectual class were Nazi sympathizers. There were also Belorussian and Ukrainian minorities in Poland with Soviet sympathies. But I agree that Polish nationalism and a belief that they could play both ends against their own middle caused them more harm than anything else.

It was also a bad plan on Hitler's part, though. He had gotten so much by bullying and diplomacy, I think he genuinely believed that France and Britain would not declare war, or if they did declare war, they would not actually fight over Poland. He understood Stalin quite well; his mistake was in underestimating the power of Churchill's will and the impassibility of the Channel once hostilities in the West began.

26 posted on 11/06/2011 11:59:30 AM PST by FredZarguna (And I understand he's developing nuclear capabilities.)
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To: Hugin
All true, but keep two other things in mind which make the determination a tad more subtle: the Russians had already begun the "invasion" of Germany's sphere of influence before operation Barbarossa began, with threatening moves both in the Baltic's and against Rumania. Some of that action was permitted by the Nazi-Soviet pact, but it was clear that Germany believed it went further than the protocols allowed.

[And, it seems on the basis of what we now know Ribbentrop-Molotov contained, the German reading of the treaty was right.]

Stalin also had intelligence of the Nazis' intentions from his border spy networks and from Richard Sorge's network within Germany itself.

It's true Stalin decided to ignore those warnings -- or at least, it's true we're told he chose to do so. But clearly, portraying the faithful, betrayed victim was altogether in Soviet interests, and they were far more clever in manipulating western opinion than the Nazi's were, or than we realized at the time.

27 posted on 11/06/2011 12:24:14 PM PST by FredZarguna (And I understand he's developing nuclear capabilities.)
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To: elcid1970

>>>>>>>>>>>>>If this is the “Nashi” (roughly meaning `our folks’) group, they display red flags with a black hammer & sickle in a white circle a la NSDAP party banner.

Anyway, the MSM template applies here as well that ANY opposition to muzzie encroachment is to be condemned as “racist”, whatever that is.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
“Our folks” are pretty opposite to guys with a red banner you are talking about.
These sickled ones are members of Eddie Limonov’s (who are former US resident) banned national-bolshevic party. Limonov was sentenced for propagation of bolshevism&weapons traffic and spent a few time in Siberia not so long ago. Now he is out of jail and started his dirty business again.


28 posted on 11/06/2011 10:34:11 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Nachum

They don’t realize how the real Nazis were “buddy buddy” with the Muzzies.


29 posted on 11/06/2011 10:34:58 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: FredZarguna
Check earlier. Poland was an ally of Nazi Germany and participated in the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia.

Bullshit.

30 posted on 11/06/2011 10:35:57 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: cunning_fish

I would like to learn moe about the ethnic divide between blonde Russians who claim Nordic ancestry, and “southerners” like Ossietians. BTW I have read lots about the cartoon character “Octobriana” (Oktyabryana) whom some call the Blonde Bolshevika and is also identified with northern Russians.

There is nothing wrong with racial pride and if it helps Russians to confirm their national identity against the Muslim tide invading from Kavkaz and near regions, then so much the better. No good can come from Islam and the Chechens are like a cancer in the stomach of Russia.


31 posted on 11/07/2011 3:55:50 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: elcid1970

In fact there are some blonde people in Russia mostly for the same reason they are in America. They are of Swedish, German or Baltic origin.
And they aren’t a core of population made out of some thousand ethnicities speaking some 150 different languages.
The reasons behind this tensions aren’t racial but historial.
In earlier 90s as most of the Stans got their independence from SU, they soon fallen under Saudi influence starting to massacre their Christian and Jewish population.
The majority of survivors came to Russia seeking refuge.
In a decade or so Stans ruined their economy and their people came to Russia to seek jobs and opportunities as well.
It makes most of the clashes since earlier Christian and Jewish immigrants don’t like Islamic newcomers.
They are pointing at muslims telling people their stories and urging society to do a thing about it before it is too late.
Sometimes in an ugly form like this rally.
In fact the situation is much more complex than just written above but it is too much a big deal to cover a problem at once. One can write a book or two about it.


32 posted on 11/07/2011 6:24:50 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

I saw that in Uzbekistan as a deployed US military in 2003-04. Uzbeks told me that under USSR thirty percent of the population in Uzbekistan was Russian and it was already down to less than seven percent by then. And nearly one third of Uzbeks were now in Russia working.

But I met Uzbeks who converted to Christianity and they said most Uzbeks are not serious Muslims and hate Afghanistan. I watch Uzbek videos on youtube and it is like you say a very complicated picture, there is more nationalism than Islam in the comments.

The Uzbeks I met spoke English and Russian besides their own language so maybe they are the educated class. But everyone admired Russia and Russian food & music. They also say there is close kinship with Turkiye and Uzbekistan, many said one parent was Turkish.

Interesting part of the world and Uzbeks have computers & cell phones so they know what is going on elsewhere. Islam Karimov is a dictator but not as bad as the mullahs that’s for certain.


33 posted on 11/07/2011 7:40:47 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: elcid1970

‘Russians’ are actually a term they are using to name every non-Uzbek caucasian minorities. Most of them are Russians and Ukrainians, a lot are actually Germans. Jews considered Russians as well.
As for nationalism and Islam it is always hand by hand in this part of the World.
‘Russian’ population couldn’t decline that much naturally there, I think you understand it.
And they don’t have to be all serious about Islam to make things ugly. It is enough to have 10 in 100 jihadis. BTW, don’t be naive to belive everything they are telling you on their feelings about Afghanistan and Islam. Lying to strangers is a part of their traditions. There are numerous Uzbeks in Taleban since 80s.


34 posted on 11/07/2011 8:02:34 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

“Non-Uzbek minorities”

One of the KBR secretaries told me that any Uzbek I saw with blonde hair and blue eyes is a descendant of “Aleksandr Makedonskii”. Nu....konyechna!

I was getting a haircut from a young woman with the same blonde hair/blue eyes. I asked her if she were Russian and she replied, “Nyet, Ya Uzbekskaya!” She informed me that her mother was Russian but she was born and raised in Uzbekistan and that meant she was Uzbechka.

As for what somebody tells you when in Central Asia,

“Thinkest thou me a Christian dog, that I am slave to my word?” - Arab saying


35 posted on 11/07/2011 9:28:13 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: dfwgator

Polish annexation of parts of Czechoslovakia in 1938, and the German-Polish nonagression pact and trade agreements of 1934 are well known. Learn some history.


36 posted on 11/07/2011 9:41:59 AM PST by FredZarguna (I think this friendly approach has been what 0's already been trying for nearly three years...)
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To: FredZarguna
"They had dupes they hadn't yet devoured"

Roger that. Mufti was just a useful idiot.

37 posted on 11/07/2011 9:44:40 AM PST by moehoward
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To: elcid1970

Oh, yeah. Let her move to Russia and she’ll end up claiming she is 110% Russian and saying no to muslim migrants:)


38 posted on 11/07/2011 10:09:47 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: FredZarguna

You are also aware the Czechs stole that land from Poland in 1920, while Poland was busy warding off the Bolsheviks.

It had nothing to do with Poland’s relationship with Nazi Germany, you implied they were allied with each other....the Germans were indifferent because they knew they’d wind up owning the area anyway, within the next few years.


39 posted on 11/07/2011 11:09:39 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
They were allies. What do you think the effect of the Polish-German nonagression pact and the 1934 trade agreement were? Are you not aware of the effect of those agreements on Poland's relationship with France? Are you not aware that Poland's annexation of parts of Slovakia gave the Nazi's cover? Do you think the Poles did not realize that the annexation would do so? Of course they did, and they expected to be rewarded for it. Do you pretend that antisemitism in Poland was not a significant cause of the cozy relationship between Germany and Poland in the mid-30's?

Like the Soviets, the Poles used the rise of German power in the furtherance of their own interests, and like the Soviets, they paid.

40 posted on 11/07/2011 12:20:33 PM PST by FredZarguna (I think this friendly approach has been what 0's already been trying for nearly three years...)
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