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When Perry turned Republican, he left some helpful Democrats behind
Dallas Morning News ^ | November 5, 2011 | Scott K. Parks

Posted on 11/06/2011 1:18:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Democrats had ruled the state Agriculture Department for a hundred years. Perry immediately ejected Hightower loyalists and Democratic operatives from the agency. He pledged to cut the department’s staff by 20 percent and scale down the number of regional offices around the state.


Texas Agriculture Commissioner Rick Perry talked with a friend
in September 1991 while visiting a ranch outside Austin.

After Rick Perry switched from Democrat to Republican in 1989, he set out to become, in the words of his mentor Phil Gramm, more Catholic than the pope.

During the next 22 years, as he rose to the top of Austin’s power grid, Perry not only left his Democrat friends behind — he helped destroy them politically. And Texas evolved into a redder-than-red state.

Perry and the GOP took down U.S. Rep. Charlie Stenholm, Texas House Speaker Pete Laney , Texas Agriculture Commissioner Jim Hightower , Texas Comptroller John Sharp and many other Democrats...

Perry has portrayed his move as a matter of principle, while those Democrats, and others, say it was the result of political ambition. Expressing grudging admiration, Stenholm said, “Rick has become a master politician.”

Stenholm and Perry grew up where pump jacks, cattle and rows of cotton exist side by side on the plains of rural West Texas. Stenholm, a conservative “blue dog” Democrat, was already in Congress when he helped recruit a 33-year-old Perry to run for state representative in 1984.

....After graduating from Texas A&M in 1972, Perry spent six years as an Air Force pilot and then returned to Haskell County in 1977 to work the farm and ranch with his dad. He had gotten a taste for politics after joining the American Agriculture Movement, which brought the problems of family farmers and ranchers to public attention...........

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


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A very interesting article -- and from a news outlet (as are all MSM Texas outlets) that consistently tears Gov. Perry down. But despite their attempts this piece will help Gov. Rick Perry with the conservative base.
1 posted on 11/06/2011 1:18:27 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have to know. I have to. And I ask this not mocking, not wiseacre and in total honesty.

Do you actually believe the things you post? Deep down inside do you really? Like this post for instance. Do you really believe that conservatives will suddenly forget all Rick Perry’s non conservative ideals like his guardasil/TTC/border stances and just think “You know, none of my core beliefs matter to me. This one article has eraced all the facts. I’m gonna vote for Perry now.”

Do you really believe that? If not then why did you say it?

And again, this is a dead serious question and I’d like a yes or no answer please.


2 posted on 11/06/2011 1:24:48 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Good morning.

I’ll leave it to them.

Why don’t you read it?


3 posted on 11/06/2011 1:25:50 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I did not ask them, I asked you. You are the second perry supporter tonight that refuses to answer a simple yes or no question.

Do you believe the things you post? Yes or no?


4 posted on 11/06/2011 1:30:00 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Nobody asked me, but I have to say I just can’t get a fix on Perry. That’s what’s kept him sitting on the sidelines for me. I simply don’t know if he’s genuine or full of it, strong or mushy, able to communicate or not.

In terms of those running, most of them are not even up for consideration as far as my support. As of now, it’s between Cain and Gingrich. Perry might convince me, but I just cannot get a good clear read on the guy.

Not trying to troll, I post it here purely for feedback because you have posted many Perry articles and I have read many of them, so you’re my “Perry poster” so to speak, and I appreciate your postings. Sorry I couldn’t give you better news.


5 posted on 11/06/2011 1:30:56 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Yes dear.


6 posted on 11/06/2011 1:31:07 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thank you.


7 posted on 11/06/2011 1:32:09 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Darkwolf377; shield; All

I appreciate your honesty. I’m posting information as I find it. Hopefully posters like the one already trolling this thread, working to keep others from “getting a fix” on Perry, won’t keep you from seriously looking at him. If anything, those posters are instructive as they should make people wonder why they feel it is necessary to hit every Perry thread as quickly and as often as possible to try and stop discussion.


8 posted on 11/06/2011 1:38:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m a little bit cautious about converts, it’s hard for me to imagine ever being a democrat.


9 posted on 11/06/2011 1:44:01 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

In 1998 Rick Perry was elected the first Republican Lt. Gov. since Reconstruction. He became governor in 2000 when Bush moved into the White House. In 2010 the GOP took enough seats to have a super majority. Perry beat the Rove-Bush-Hutchison Machine primary challenge, going on to win re-election and becoming the longest serving Texas governor in state history.

Did you have anything about the article you wanted to comment on, highlight?


10 posted on 11/06/2011 1:51:59 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yeah, I don’t get the posting just to say you don’t like someone.

It’s not like I have to make a decision today. I will keep my eyes and ears open. I don’t really care how many people call Perry or anyone else names, I don’t let other people make my decision for me. Just posting to derail people discussing someone you’ve already made your mind up about makes no sense to me. I don’t like Romney based on my long history with him as a pol in Massachusetts, but if people posted threads about him in support, I would hope I’d discuss points made and positions he had, and not just toss “RINO!” around. I just don’t get that.

Keep posting, I (and I’m sure others) will keep reading. It’s always cool to see your enthusiasm, since you are into pumping your guy up and not just tearing people down.


11 posted on 11/06/2011 1:52:57 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Darkwolf377

I really appreciate that — thank you.


12 posted on 11/06/2011 1:54:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How was the debate, Mr. Perry?


13 posted on 11/06/2011 2:16:59 AM PST by NautiNurse (That's the sound of the men workin' on the Cain gang)
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To: NautiNurse
The Perry Economic Plan: Cut, Balance and Grow

The Perry Plan: Energizing American Jobs and Security

Rick Perry Interview with NH Union Leader

Over an hour of discussion - a normal conversation - not "gotcha" or high-octane, political talking points.

economy
education
balanced budget
drilling
regulations
debates
Romney Care
in-state tuition
HPV shot
border security
Barack Obama
Federal mandates
no pandering for votes
terrorists using U.S. Mexican border
immigration reform
no Fed Dream Act or amnesty
AZ law
work-visa program
examine what our national work force needs are
jobs in Texas - full picture
free-trade
manufacturing in China vs U.S.
wages hurt by the cost of doing business - onerous regulations
Texas right to work state but he's always been endorsed by Teamsters Union (jobs)
multi-national companies (U.S.)
jobs, spending, taxes, regulations
trade laws and tariffs
subsides and tax credits
energy and market place
taxes and lobbyists
Marcus Luttrell
family decision re presidential run
Parade interview "birther" "news"
Afghanistan -- special ops war, troops, Obama policy, war on terror, more funding for technology and R&D
Foreign policy dependent on our economic strength
debating Obama
campaign commitment in NH
review candidates' track record
roughness of campaign -- in to win -- facts can be hard-hitting
Social Security, jobs, national security, being truthful
discusses education, EPA, Energy, HHS
states rights
state transportation infrastructure
ObamaCare, medicare, medicaid, healthcare
Tom Cobrun, Bobby Jindal, Paul Ryan
health care insurance - state by state
health care in Texas, access, tort reform
judges, Supreme Court, federal courts
baseball

14 posted on 11/06/2011 2:19:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Dear Mr. Perry,

Your economic plan arrived three days after the economy focus debate. As a result, you didn't offer much at all to the discussion.

Sincerely,

Heartless in Florida

15 posted on 11/06/2011 2:27:39 AM PST by NautiNurse (That's the sound of the men workin' on the Cain gang)
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To: All
Another informative piece just published on Gov. Rick Perry:

Nov 5, 2011: Rick Perry’s long faith journey culminates in presidential run

16 posted on 11/06/2011 2:39:28 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
>>Perry turned Republican
 
Bullshit.
 
[A free market government has a vested interest in encouraging local enterprise;
--A.Perrywinkler]
 
swin·dle (swndl)
v. swin·dled, swin·dling, swin·dles
v.tr.
1. To cheat or defraud of money or property.
2. To obtain by fraudulent means: swindled money from the company.
v.intr.
To practice fraud as a means of obtaining money or property.
n.
The act or an instance of swindling.
 
 
Mozilo's Countrywide had been the first to embrace the homeownership push back in 1995 and had therefore become
a central player in Clinton's public-private partnership.
 
And since 1998, Countrywide had also become crucial to the fortunes of Fannie Mae, and the personal wealth of Fannie employees who received special mortgage deals from the lender...
--Reckless Endangerrment; pg 182
 
"Angelo Mozilo, thank you"
--Governor Ricar(D)o Perry
--Tuesday, December 14, 2004
 
 

17 posted on 11/06/2011 2:52:55 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Let us not forget that when Perry was a democrat he took upon himself the democrat platform. Just saying.


18 posted on 11/06/2011 3:06:31 AM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Expressing grudging admiration, Stenholm said, “Rick has become a master politician.”

“Rick switched, and I don’t know him anymore,” Stenholm said. “He recognized that if you were going to be ambitious on a statewide level, the GOP was the way to go in Texas.”

I'd hardly call this admiration, grudging, or otherwise. Stenholm is confirming what most of us already know. Perry is an untrustworthy opportunist who will do what is conveninet and expedient to advance his ambitions; not necessarily what's best for state/country.

19 posted on 11/06/2011 3:29:21 AM PST by edpc (My silence IS an answer)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Rick Perry grew up in conservatism. He was small town boy who attended TX A&M and was in the Corps of Cadets. He went on to fly C-130s for the U.S. Air Force (5 years). In 1984 at the age of 33, Perry ran for office as a Democrat (most Texans were raised as conservative Democrats). Five years later as the party kept moving Left, led by their national leadership, Perry joined (along with others) the burgeoning Republican Party, as it was the ideological home of the same conservatism Rick Perry had been raised with.


20 posted on 11/06/2011 3:32:23 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Geeze, the Mainstream Media must really be scared about Perry sinking into oblivion or they wouldn’t be running these PUFF PIECES to try to prop him up. I remember these same kind of stories about McCain’s war service, 4 years ago...

Personally, I prefer a Republican who the media DOESN’T want to win.


21 posted on 11/06/2011 3:40:07 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: edpc
.....Stenholm is confirming what most of us already know....

If that's the part of the article you wish to highlight, you have helped the Dallas Morning News push the point that they fail to make with the rest of their article.

Charlie Stenholm lost his seat to redistricting. He lost by 18 percentage points in the November 2004 election. Now he's a D.C. lobbyiest.....“Rick is the governor who called three special sessions on redistricting to get rid of me and others,” Stenholm said. “They took my farm and my home out of my district.”

As Phil Gramm is accurately quoted in the same piece, “Rick didn’t lose anybody who was a real friend.”

22 posted on 11/06/2011 3:43:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BobL
......PUFF PIECES.......

Tell me the "puff." I know you never have anything positive to post about Rick Perry but give me a clue, what's "puff" in this piece?

23 posted on 11/06/2011 3:44:55 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“I’m a little bit cautious about converts, it’s hard for me to imagine ever being a democrat.”

It’s even HARDER for me to see anyone who calls himself conservative being a leader in Al Gore’s 1988 presidential run, particularly when Gore’s conservative rating was a “9” out of 100:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2000/pdf/fax0726.pdf

It’s also hard to see how ANYONE who claims to be conservative can immediately support the Democrats after their attempted IMPEACHMENT of Reagan for Iran Contra.

Nope...Perry DEFINITELY was not a conservative back then, regardless of what he claims to be. He also isn’t one now, given all the crap he’s done as governor, and especially because of his plan, announced THIS WEEK, to legalize ALL of the Illegals in this country, so they can work.

We don’t need that - we need them to simply GO HOME.


24 posted on 11/06/2011 3:50:41 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“economy
education
balanced budget
drilling
regulations
debates
Romney Care
in-state tuition
HPV shot
border security
Barack Obama
Federal mandates
no pandering for votes
terrorists using U.S. Mexican border
immigration reform
no Fed Dream Act or amnesty
AZ law
work-visa program
examine what our national work force needs are
jobs in Texas - full picture
free-trade
manufacturing in China vs U.S.
wages hurt by the cost of doing business - onerous regulations
Texas right to work state but he’s always been endorsed by Teamsters Union (jobs)
multi-national companies (U.S.)
jobs, spending, taxes, regulations
trade laws and tariffs
subsides and tax credits
energy and market place
taxes and lobbyists
Marcus Luttrell
family decision re presidential run
Parade interview “birther” “news”
Afghanistan — special ops war, troops, Obama policy, war on terror, more funding for technology and R&D
Foreign policy dependent on our economic strength
debating Obama
campaign commitment in NH
review candidates’ track record
roughness of campaign — in to win — facts can be hard-hitting
Social Security, jobs, national security, being truthful
discusses education, EPA, Energy, HHS
states rights
state transportation infrastructure
ObamaCare, medicare, medicaid, healthcare
Tom Cobrun, Bobby Jindal, Paul Ryan
health care insurance - state by state
health care in Texas, access, tort reform
judges, Supreme Court, federal courts
baseball “

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Anything about his plan to LEGALIZE every Illegal in this country so they can work here (legally).

Just asking.


25 posted on 11/06/2011 3:54:06 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: Norm Lenhart

This is an insightful post; and of course it is hard for the left vs. right folks to forget that you must win 65% of the Independents so when you keep remembering all those checklist hot button emotional items, just try too also remember we want to win and those that I (as well as you apparently) prefer may not hold the MIDDLE ground in a General National Election. Every single candidate in the Republican field has faults. Rick Perry has the same type of political history as Regean, coming from the Left (wrong) and finally being RIGHT - but like a Blue Dog he is center-centric Right.


26 posted on 11/06/2011 3:54:06 AM PST by Jumper
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To: Cincinatus' Wife


I am a Cain supporter, but as you can see in my Twister spinner, I put Perry in the best quadrant. (I put Gingrich in a bad quadrant because he is a "futurist", and I am a traditional. I would swap him with Roemer if I had it to do over again). All of the candidates have deficiencies and unique strengths. I am hopeful that when the time comes and there is a clear non-Romney front-runner, that we will do what we have to to defeat Romney.

In the meantime, I will not go after Perry. I will not suggest anyone drop out until after the caucuses/primaries begin in earnest. My qualms with Perry have been aired elsewhere, as have your responses. Lets see how it plays out.
27 posted on 11/06/2011 3:56:09 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (It's fun to play with your vision, but don't ever play with your eyes.--1970s PSA)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Tell me the “puff.” I know you never have anything positive to post about Rick Perry but give me a clue, what’s “puff” in this piece? “

It’s a PUFF PIECE because it’s intended to help out Perry. The media does not run puff pieces on people they want to tear down...only on the ones they want to prop up. That simple.


28 posted on 11/06/2011 3:57:14 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: BobL
Many of them became "republican" when the wind started blowing in our favor, they are nothing but exploiters and opportunists. They will take us to the left just as surely as the democrats, only a little slower.

It still amazes me that the GOP ever considered Michael Bloomberg on of their own, Giuliani is almost as extreme, as is Romney, but that is the state of things.

29 posted on 11/06/2011 3:58:16 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I couldn’t be happier that this area finally got rid of Stenholm as our congresscritter. The article says he was a conservative Blue Dog. It should’ve said he pretended to be a conservative. Good riddance. It took us 36 years but we finally did it.


30 posted on 11/06/2011 3:59:50 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“Many of them became “republican” when the wind started blowing in our favor, they are nothing but exploiters and opportunists. They will take us to the left just as surely as the democrats, only a little slower.

It still amazes me that the GOP ever considered Michael Bloomberg on of their own, Giuliani is almost as extreme, as is Romney, but that is the state of things. “

I take some issue with that. There were some converts that weren’t simply opportunists. The ones that come to mind are Senator Shelby, Senator Grahmm, and of course Reagan. They became solid Republicans and were solid conservatives...but Perry is out his own weird world, trying to shoot up little girls with drugs, trying to grab half a million acres of Texas land, and now trying to legalize at least 10 million Illegals. I don’t even have a label for him.


31 posted on 11/06/2011 4:03:19 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

You need to understand the South and the state of Texas. The entire area was Democrat by tradition. Republicans were associated in those areas with the horrible Reconstruction Government after the Civil War, and with the Depression in the person of Herbert Hoover.

Now that I’ve reminded you of regional history, how did you feel about Ronald Reagan being a Democrat?

How do you feel that Herman Cain was a Democrat and voted for the Bill Clinton and Al Gore ticket?


32 posted on 11/06/2011 4:03:29 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
it’s hard for me to imagine ever being a democrat.

I grew up in Kentucky and in those days (virtually) EVERYONE was a Democrat. You could be liberal or conservative but, if you wanted to be elected, you had to call yourself a Democrat.

I used to wonder why Kentucky held its election for Governor in May when other states held theirs in Nov. Actually it was the Democrat primary that was held in May, the one with all the TV and newspaper ads and all of the hoopla, i.e., the one that mattered. The actual Nov. election was a foregone conclusion as to the winner between the Democrat candidate and the Republican candidate. So if you wanted your vote to count, you had to be registered as a Democrat.

When I moved to Florida in 1980 it was same and I registered as a Democrat. But as I matured I found I could no longer live the lie and could no longer be associated with those people and that's when I switched my registration to Republican.

I suspect that Perry's situation was similar.

33 posted on 11/06/2011 4:08:49 AM PST by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: txrangerette

My family has been Southern since 1749. The harshest name my grandmother ever called anyone was “carpetbagger”. I was probably the first to register republican, in 1963, primarily over the RKBA issue. Over the following years the democrats forged ever stronger obvious marxist ties and became dominated by Yankee urban interests, and I’ll be damned if I can figure why any conservatives remained in the democrat party.


34 posted on 11/06/2011 4:12:18 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: BobL; Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t mind if they are documented to work, and that is all they are documented to do. If, they do not take jobs that are at depressed wages because of employers taking advantage, or take jobs that citizens are denied opportunities to take.

This is all predicated on securing the Border, as well, so that we nab people who are avoiding all due process by ignoring a system that would lead to appropriate employment if they followed that system.

I’m not braindead on the issue with bumper sticker rant slogans.

We share an unbelievably long border with a basket case nation. If my family were starving and there was no work to support them, and all I had to do was step over a line so I could feed them, I would, and furthermore, you would.

If you say you would let them starve rather than step over a line and feed them, you lie.

Given that, and given the crying need to secure that line and control who comes and goes and why they are coming and going, let them work. As long as that work is also controlled so it doesn’t hurt citizens of the USA.

I don’t write this for you, I write this for others who do read our threads and are interested in these thoughts.


35 posted on 11/06/2011 4:19:29 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Again what do you think of Ronald Reagan?

What do you think of Herman Cain voting for Bill Clinton and Al Gore?

Friend, people of the entire state of Texas voted Democrat for years and years and years. They NOW vote solid Republican.

You are beating a horse that died. You just don’t care for the date on which the horse died.

I explained that, and everyone is not cut out of a cookie cutter mold...people are different as to when they come to make certain changes. A lot of people voted as their parents. Their parents voted as their parents. It all stemmed back to the Civil War Reconstruction Government and later to Herbert Hoover being blamed for the Depression.

The fact that you did it sooner than someone else is fine, but it doesn’t change the fact that the others did it, too.

If you can’t acknowledge that, but would rather stew in your own juices and beat that dead horse, I can’t help it.


36 posted on 11/06/2011 4:27:23 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: BobL

How does it help Perry?


37 posted on 11/06/2011 4:33:05 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: txrangerette
A lot of people want to tout the conversation held at the Woodlands Tea Party fundraiser last night, where conservative ideas were highlighted, as exclusive to them, and seem to ignore that Gov. Rick Perry holds these views and has worked as governor to advance them.

"FED UP!" -- by Rick Perry [forward by NEWT GINGRICH]

Rick Perry's book "almost came too late"

"I wish this book had never needed to be written.

It almost came too late.

America is recklessly accelerating toward economic disaster. Fed Up! may be the last warning sign to the danger that lies ahead.

Rick Perry, Texas governor for the past decade, is uniquely qualified to offer a firsthand perspective on why the United States—the most successful civilization in human history—is being threatened with economic collapse.

First Principles

Faith, freedom, and free enterprise are the pillars of a strong, safe, prosperous society. Rick knows that when these principles are protected, America succeeds, and when they are undermined, America fails. But the Left has a different belief. The Left believes that most people are not capable of pursuing happiness and that a strong centralized government is best able to provide for them. While claiming compassion for humanity, the Left's policies are destructive to the human beings subject to them—as we have had to learn painfully again and again.

The Left's self-serving solution to every crisis, economic or otherwise, and many of their own doing, is always the same: inflict higher taxes on Americans to create more government programs with more rules and regulations that result in less freedom, less innovation, less safety, and less prosperity.

The problem with the Left’s one solution, as Rick forcefully explains in the pages that follow, is that it doesn't work. It's never worked, and it never will work. The record shows it.

But what the record also shows is that when power and freedom are returned to the people, when people are rewarded for work, and when government holds the line on spending, individuals and opportunity thrive. We have seen that result most spectacularly recently in Texas, and in the mid-1990s with the Contract with America Congress, when I served as Speaker of the House.....

38 posted on 11/06/2011 4:36:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Dr. Sivana

Bump!


39 posted on 11/06/2011 4:54:23 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“How does it help Perry?”

It doesn’t mention his coddling of illegals or his plan (just announced) to legalize at least 10,000,000 of them.

That makes it a puff piece.


40 posted on 11/06/2011 4:55:41 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

...at least regarding the Republican base.


41 posted on 11/06/2011 4:56:13 AM PST by BobL ( A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney)
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To: BobL
It’s even HARDER for me to see anyone who calls himself conservative being a leader in Al Gore’s 1988 presidential run, particularly when Gore’s conservative rating was a “9” out of 100:

Perry was not a leader in Al Gore's primary run, he merely endorsed him. Al Gore was considered the conservative Democrat running in the 1988 presidential primary (pro-Life, family values, 2nd Amendment). Dukakus took the nomination and Perry washed his hands of the party and joined the GOP. Perry also voted both times for Ronald Reagan.

42 posted on 11/06/2011 4:58:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Note that Newt puts his Contract With America and Perry’s successful Governorship of Texas in the same sentence as examples.

I’m not pushing Newt but would vote for him if he were the nominee.

He’s most certainly not perfect.

Just like the others are not.

But he highlighted Gov. Perry’s record and wrote the forward to his book.

Before politics for the Presidency entered the picture...

I caught a moment...while channel surfing...at the Woodlands when Cain spoke of the need to truly put SS contributions in a lockbox. Well, Perry has been saying this in concert with his proposal to reform the system for younger workers who are victims of the Ponzi scheme.

But there’s no credit to Perry for that?

But if you’re Cain and you say it at the Woodlands with Newt there, then.....

Really.


43 posted on 11/06/2011 4:59:01 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have my problems with Perry (due to what I perceive to be electability issues), and after initially supporting him I have dropped off the Perry bandwagon, but all talk of him not being a conservative is total and absolute BS and I really resent the fact that his actual record is so willfully distorted by some other posters here in FR.

As for you, CW, I have always respected you as a poster and read most of the threads you post, even though I no longer plan on voting for Perry in the primary.

I will, of course, vote for him and work for him in the general election in the off chance (remote in my opinion) that he wins the primary.


44 posted on 11/06/2011 5:04:28 AM PST by samtheman
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To: BobL
It doesn’t mention his coddling of illegals or his plan (just announced) to legalize at least 10,000,000 of them.

Because that would be totally false and his record and statements prove it. Perry opposes amnesty but you oppose Perry so you lie about his positions.

.."“You can put a program into place in which these individuals can be identified, and work visas in which they can move back and forth between their countries but not to become United States citizens,” Perry said. “And I think that’s where McCain, that’s where Romney, that’s where even Bush went wrong when they talked about the issue that, ‘we’re going to give amnesty to these individuals,’ and people just said, ‘no, we’re not.’”.. Source

45 posted on 11/06/2011 5:05:54 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I’m a little bit cautious about converts, it’s hard for me to imagine ever being a democrat.
You left off your sarcasm tag. Either that, or you forgot to plug in your brain.
46 posted on 11/06/2011 5:07:26 AM PST by samtheman
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To: BobL

Newt and Cain are in favor of a guest worker program, too.


47 posted on 11/06/2011 5:07:51 AM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: txrangerette

Exactly.


48 posted on 11/06/2011 5:08:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: samtheman

Dittos on our divide but also on our goals samtheman.


49 posted on 11/06/2011 5:11:34 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry misses algore, oh how sweet, algore will still help him with his global warming and his work visa amnesty program.
50 posted on 11/06/2011 5:14:40 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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