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Declaration of Independence Was 'Illegal,' Grounds for Treason, British Lawyers Say
Fox News ^ | 10/20/11

Posted on 11/06/2011 6:42:22 AM PST by Libloather

Declaration of Independence Was 'Illegal,' Grounds for Treason, British Lawyers Say
Published October 20, 2011 | FoxNews.com

The Declaration of Independence was “illegal” and “treasonable,” according to a team of British lawyers, the BBC reports.

The assertion was made at a debate in Philadelphia between British and American lawyers over the legitimacy of the United States of America.

At the debate, pitting British barristers against American attorneys, lawyers for the former colonial power argued that America’s Declaration of Independence in 1776 “was not only illegal, but actually treasonable,” according to the BBC.

The lawyers representing the British team decided that the Americans had no legal grounds for secession. "[President Abraham] Lincoln made the case against secession and he was right."

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Wow. Will we have to kick their a$$ - again?

“A team of British lawyers has now concluded that the Declaration of Independence was illegal, and the American colonies had no right to secede from England. Well, you thought our court system was backed up.” – Jay Leno

1 posted on 11/06/2011 6:42:24 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

This is news?

The British clearly thought so at the tiem, and the Americans realized it as well.


2 posted on 11/06/2011 6:44:24 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Libloather
Limies:
Want some more - - - - Bring it own and put the Lawyers up front this time. . . . .
3 posted on 11/06/2011 6:46:26 AM PST by DeaconRed (My Hat Don't Hang on the same Nail to Long. I am a CAT adjuster.)
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To: EyeGuy

There must not be any celebrities behaving poorly today.


4 posted on 11/06/2011 6:46:52 AM PST by posterchild (I'm old enough to remember when journalists bothered to look things up on wikipedia.)
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To: Libloather

And then the Treaty of Paris made it all legal!


5 posted on 11/06/2011 6:49:50 AM PST by MCCC (Owning a gun and saying you are armed is like owning a piano and saying you are a musician.)
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To: Libloather

Next on the docket - India, Malaysia and China.


6 posted on 11/06/2011 6:49:50 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Libloather

Of course it was.

Why do you think Benjamin Franklin said “We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall hang separately”?


7 posted on 11/06/2011 6:50:26 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Libloather

If it was illegal for the southern states to secede then it was illegal for the colonies to do so.


8 posted on 11/06/2011 6:52:00 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Libloather
A rebellion is always legal in the first person, such as "our rebellion." It is only in the third person - "their rebellion" - that it becomes illegal. - Ben Franklin in musical 1776
9 posted on 11/06/2011 6:52:10 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Where's he getting these ideas? He's not smart enough to be that stupid all by himself.)
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To: Libloather
Declaration of Independence Was 'Illegal'

Yeah. I think they fought a war over that -- or something.

10 posted on 11/06/2011 6:52:28 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Libloather

To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II:

In light of your immediate failure to financially manage yourselves and also in recent years your tendency to elect incompetent Presidents of the USA and therefore not able to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up ‘revocation’ in the Oxford English Dictionary.)

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas , which she does not fancy).

Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.

Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated sometime next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

1. The letter ‘U’ will be reinstated in words such as ‘colour,’ ‘favour,’ ‘labour’ and ‘neighbour.’ Likewise, you will learn to spell ‘doughnut’ without skipping half the letters, and the suffix ‘-ize’ will be replaced by the suffix ‘-ise.’Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up ‘vocabulary’). (I love that one)

Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ‘’like’ and ‘you know’ is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter ‘u’’ and the elimination of ‘-ize.’ ‘ (I love that one too)

3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you’re not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can’t sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you’re not ready to shoot grouse.

5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.)

8.You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. New Zealand beer is also acceptable, as New Zealand is pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat’s Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one’s ears removed with a cheese grater.

11. You will cease playing American football. There are only two kinds of proper football; one you call soccer, and rugby (dominated by the New Zealanders). Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).

12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America . Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the Australians (World dominators) first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

13. You must tell us who killed JFK. It’s been driving us mad.

14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty’s Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

God Save the Queen!


11 posted on 11/06/2011 6:53:28 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Libloather

The American people won our Independence following the defeat of the British empire during the revolutionary war.

Treason!What crap.You can’t get more of a death sentence then by fighting against your adversary.


12 posted on 11/06/2011 6:54:02 AM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Libloather

The bunch in power are acting as if the TEA party movement is treason - how long before they declare elections are treason?


13 posted on 11/06/2011 6:55:13 AM PST by sodpoodle (Cain - touching the better angels of our nature. Newt - knowledge is power.)
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To: Libloather

Legal arguments did not work for Santa Anna either in 1836.

Some arguments are only settled with blood and steel. This one certainly was.

English lawyers go soak your wig.


14 posted on 11/06/2011 6:56:41 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Libloather

Don’t tell me. They have stuffed up their own country so bad they want yours back!

Mel


15 posted on 11/06/2011 6:56:50 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: Libloather

We already beat you blokes twice and also saved your rotten teeth twice. Would you like to go toe to toe for round 3? Becasue we can get rid of a lot of rag head muzzies at the same time, thus saving your sorry asses again.


16 posted on 11/06/2011 6:57:39 AM PST by pietraynor (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. Ronald Reagan)
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To: DuncanWaring

“Why do you think Benjamin Franklin said “We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall hang separately”?

Ummm...........Thomas Paine?


17 posted on 11/06/2011 6:57:55 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Libloather

All revolutions are not legal under the old laws.

Under current rules, King George III would be a target.


18 posted on 11/06/2011 6:58:30 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Libloather
Declaration of Independence Was 'Illegal,' Grounds for Treason, British Lawyers Say

Duh.

19 posted on 11/06/2011 6:58:38 AM PST by SoJoCo
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To: Libloather

Molon labe.


20 posted on 11/06/2011 6:59:47 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: freedomfiter2
If it was illegal for the southern states to secede then it was illegal for the colonies to do so.

Yes, and the similarities don't end there. In both cases, after a protracted war to determine the outcome, the defeated side signed a treaty acknowledging and accepting the winning sides terms.

21 posted on 11/06/2011 7:01:06 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: pietraynor

———Would you like to go toe-——

One peaceable recourse would be to round up all the American Lawyers and send them to London To argue the case.


22 posted on 11/06/2011 7:01:38 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: DuncanWaring

Ooops......once again I speak first and only check afterwards. You are correct, Sir.

One of these days I’m gonna learn....but it’ll probably be too late.......


23 posted on 11/06/2011 7:01:56 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Libloather

Duh! That’s why it’s called the American Revolution.


24 posted on 11/06/2011 7:03:38 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: SoJoCo
Do you need any further proof that lawyers should be banned from holding any office higher than local dog catcher?
25 posted on 11/06/2011 7:04:06 AM PST by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: Libloather

Well DUH...

Why did the “conspirators” meet in secret?


26 posted on 11/06/2011 7:04:18 AM PST by marty60
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To: Libloather
Washington to Cornwallis at Yorktown: "D'uh, winning!"

Cornwallis: "D'oh!"

27 posted on 11/06/2011 7:05:50 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Libloather
Did these lawyers ask the local imams if they are allowed to profess this view?

They need to go check their Londonstan masters before voicing anything.

28 posted on 11/06/2011 7:05:55 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Libloather
Wow. Will we have to kick their a$$ - again?

No, The British bowed to force majeure when they signed the Treaty of Paris and recognized American independence. What they think about the legality of the situation is irrelevant.
29 posted on 11/06/2011 7:06:00 AM PST by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: Libloather

I believe that this became a moot point in 1776...


30 posted on 11/06/2011 7:08:18 AM PST by NCjim (Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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To: Nip
Do you need any further proof that lawyers should be banned from holding any office higher than local dog catcher?

Waaaay too much time on their hands.

31 posted on 11/06/2011 7:08:18 AM PST by SoJoCo
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To: Libloather
Aw, c'mon. It's only natural that the mother country would feel this way. That's why they fought us.

The legal basis for the independence of the United States in international law is not the Declaration of Independence; it's the 1783 Treaty of Paris.

32 posted on 11/06/2011 7:09:08 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Libloather
Samuel Adams and Committees of Correspondence laid out the legality of our separation from Great Britain on the basis of the natural law.

"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can."

And the writers of the Declaration clearly articulated the closing arguments.

King George abdicated.

"He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us."

Case closed.

33 posted on 11/06/2011 7:09:08 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Si vis pacem, para bellum." "If you wish for peace, prepare for war.")
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To: Libloather

Well if the Brits want to try our current commander in chief, go ahead! Better yet, the Brits can claim him as a commonwealth subject.


34 posted on 11/06/2011 7:09:10 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Cheburashka

When the British surrendered - they made American independence an accomplished fact. They Treaty Of Paris gave recognition to American sovereignty. In the end, the special relationship endured because both sides were equals.


35 posted on 11/06/2011 7:11:16 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: kosciusko51

Exactly. But in one case, the oppressor was defeated and the other war ended with the oppressor consolidating power by force. The civil war ended any facade of the US Constitution having any real power to limit the “Federal” government.


36 posted on 11/06/2011 7:11:32 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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Coming next.... The Brits bombed pearl Harbour and caused the attacks on the WTC.

Just so we know " Who are real enemies are."

37 posted on 11/06/2011 7:12:56 AM PST by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: Libloather

This FEMA guy thinks our Founding Fathers were terrorists!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGZjR9NIHJk


38 posted on 11/06/2011 7:13:56 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: An.American.Expatriate; Liz; AT7Saluki
In light of your immediate failure to financially manage yourselves...

Can they bail us out? A bit under $15 TRILLION could do it - for now. Additional stimulus may be required in the near future.

39 posted on 11/06/2011 7:14:04 AM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Libloather

Seditious too.


40 posted on 11/06/2011 7:14:14 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: freedomfiter2
If it was illegal for the southern states to secede then it was illegal for the colonies to do so.

There is one vital difference between the two cases. The colonies won.

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason". Ovid

41 posted on 11/06/2011 7:17:17 AM PST by magslinger (To properly protect your family you need a Bible, a twelve gauge and a pig.)
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To: Libloather
Well duh! When Jesus Christ said that only through Him can you reach his FATHER; that was “illegal” as well...

WANNA FIGHT ABOUT IT!?!?!?

(think twice cause we kicked a lot of butt over the centuries and ain't done yet—still gotta finish that “Crusade thing” against the evil Islamists yet.)

42 posted on 11/06/2011 7:17:59 AM PST by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ‘’like’ and ‘you know’ is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication.

Having lived in the UK, in Norfolk (pronounced "Naw-F**k by the locals), I have to ask you for some assistance. Is "Water" pronounced "Wah-er" and is the number "33" pronounced "firty-free?" Also, is it proper use the phrase "aye, mate" and to end each sentence with "wot" or "wot-eh?"

I welcome your most esteemed instruction for us poor, backwards savages.

43 posted on 11/06/2011 7:18:06 AM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOs!!!)
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To: Libloather

“If this be treason, make the most of it!”

CA....


44 posted on 11/06/2011 7:18:09 AM PST by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: EyeGuy

All the founders knew it at the time. They stood to lose huge fortunes and their lives. Immortalized by Franklin: “We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately” at the signing of the Declaration of Independence.


45 posted on 11/06/2011 7:19:10 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Libloather
Oh, yeah? Well we double dog dare you to come back, chase the president out of Washington and burn the White House again.
46 posted on 11/06/2011 7:19:47 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: JoeDetweiler

Ben Franklin at the signing of the Declaration of Independence.


47 posted on 11/06/2011 7:21:07 AM PST by magslinger (To properly protect your family you need a Bible, a twelve gauge and a pig.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

>>>In light of your immediate failure to financially manage yourselves and also in recent years your tendency to elect incompetent Presidents of the USA and therefore not able to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately

Excellent point. By electing incompetent people like Ubama Bin Laden and a corrupt Congress, the American people have proven that they are incapable of self-government. America is now broke, and unemployment is very high. If America is recolonized by Britain, American finances will improve, because the British are better at financial management than Americans.

Americans should admit that they have failed to govern themselves, and beg the British to take them back. Canada, which recognizes the Queen as Head of State, did not suffer from a Mortgage crisis, and they are not being burdened with huge debt that will burden future generations. Canada did not steal money from their taxpayers, in order to bail out failing banks. Canada does not have 15 percent of their population on food stamps. See: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/11/01/some-15-of-u-s-uses-food-stamps/

America has lost its way, and the founding fathers are rolling over in their graves. America should bring back the British. It would also be cool to have Prince William as our King in waiting.


48 posted on 11/06/2011 7:21:19 AM PST by pinochet
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To: JoeDetweiler

I didn’t see your retraction, my apologies.


49 posted on 11/06/2011 7:22:28 AM PST by magslinger (To properly protect your family you need a Bible, a twelve gauge and a pig.)
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To: magslinger

1812-2012.....

We strike right into London....Burn London Bridge, Loot Downing Street, trash their museums...

F the Queen.

Our payback for 1812 was the Lend Lease Act, along with thousands of Merchant Marines, sailors...not to mention Omaha and Utah Beach.


50 posted on 11/06/2011 7:23:02 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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