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Missouri residents upset by order to move lake homes
Artesia News ^ | 11/06/2011

Posted on 11/06/2011 1:33:39 PM PST by Docs Galore

The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission has ruled recently that thousands of residences and other structures identified as being built within the hydroelectric project should be removed.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; agenda21; fec

1 posted on 11/06/2011 1:33:41 PM PST by Docs Galore
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To: Docs Galore

Man I hate the feds. What a cancer.


2 posted on 11/06/2011 1:36:17 PM PST by teenyelliott (welcome to the Twilight Zone)
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To: Docs Galore

Another federal agency out of control! Defund asap.


3 posted on 11/06/2011 1:38:36 PM PST by Pat4ever
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To: Docs Galore

FERC is about to be clobbered from three sides.


4 posted on 11/06/2011 1:42:55 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: stylecouncilor

ping


5 posted on 11/06/2011 1:45:25 PM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I am not impacted by this as I see it. I know a lot of your area is very effected. Is your place inside the FERC zone?


6 posted on 11/06/2011 1:45:49 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: Docs Galore

So, it sounds as if they have been doing fine for at least 30 years, producing electric power and enjoying the lake, but now that the hydroelectric company has had to apply for permission to continue doing what it’s been doing for the past 30 years, the government is moving the goal posts.

This is known as making law ex post facto. That has been considered a basic violation of justice ever since King John was forced to sign the Magna Carta. Only now it’s mostly done by regulation instead of the sword. But the sword is implied, of course.

B+sturds.


7 posted on 11/06/2011 1:47:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Docs Galore

Dig down, you’ll find a tree hugging obastard acolyte at the bottom of this. Some pinhead punk know nothing radical. I hate this government with a purple passion.

A FERC spokeswoman declined to comment to The Associated Press. Previously, the agency told The Kansas City Star in a written statement that “FERC’s role is to ensure that the licensee is following the terms of the license, and approve shoreline management plans. It is the responsibility of the licensee to carry out the terms and conditions of the license, including shoreline management plan.”


8 posted on 11/06/2011 1:50:30 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Docs Galore
Agenda 21:

(1) Return all land to its native state, except for the dachas of the ruling class.

(2) Eliminate 6.5-billion people by whatever means necessary.

9 posted on 11/06/2011 1:52:36 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: Docs Galore
I’m reminded of the novel Mud on the Stars.
10 posted on 11/06/2011 1:56:50 PM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Docs Galore
Hey Missouri:

Claire McCaskill is a Hussein cultist who should be fired next year!

11 posted on 11/06/2011 2:04:33 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Docs Galore
"...land of the free."

I don't think so. I can pay for my home, retire and still owe a sizable yearly nut to bureaucratic totalitarians. How is that free?

12 posted on 11/06/2011 2:04:59 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Concur,..it’s Agenda 21.

I thought I had adjusted to the IBC. Now it turns out there are another 5 or so codes beyond the typical IMC, IFC, IPC, IEC, IBC, etc.

Now there also is the International Zoning Code, International Energy Code, International Performance Code, International Property Maintenance Code, and the all too ubiquitous International Wildland-Urban Interface Code.

Int’l Performance Code introduces the concept of “Intolerable Design”. IWUIC introduces to “code officials” authority to disconnect utility services without notice to either the occupant or the utility company if any of the codes are found to be violated.

What type of codes, one might ask.

Walls and fences in the front of all buildings may not exceed 3’ tall in the front and 6 ft on sides and rear. Any group of 5 or more parking spaces must have a 3.5’ wall between the parking and any street (go figure).
Home offices may not exceed 15% of bldg floor area and less than half of that space may be used for storage. Visitors must be made by appointment and no more than one at a time.

These are codes made in the US and England in a local liberal area with intentions to apply them internationally.

They are published with legalese such that a municipal government merely need assign an Ordinance Number, name of township, and date, vote on them and they are local law.

If you see them, reject them before it’s too late.


13 posted on 11/06/2011 2:05:54 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Docs Galore

Whatever you folks do, don’t look at the corporation called Ameren that’s behind the effort to evict those residents. ...or the crooked real estate interests that sold the properties belonging to the dam project’s previous owner. Local governments and local businesses sometimes use the federal government to do their anti-competition bidding. All levels of government, including local, all political parties, and all kinds of big business: socialists, using government to steal from the little folks and prevent competition.

Try starving the beast.


14 posted on 11/06/2011 2:09:57 PM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Docs Galore

Fourth Amendment? What’s that?


15 posted on 11/06/2011 2:11:11 PM PST by denydenydeny (The moment you step into a world of facts, you step into a world of limits. --Chesterton)
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To: TEXOKIE

More Agenda 21


16 posted on 11/06/2011 2:16:40 PM PST by DLfromthedesert ( Honkies for Herman 2012)
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To: Cvengr

Where are those codes written in law? Just wondering...


17 posted on 11/06/2011 2:33:09 PM PST by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: Cvengr

Where are those codes written in law? Just wondering...would like to cite them....


18 posted on 11/06/2011 2:33:24 PM PST by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: Mr. Silverback; cripplecreek; NoLibZone; Lucky9teen; Pete; bicyclerepair; apillar; weeder; ...

More Agenda 21 in action!

Pinging the Agenda 21 List!

If you want to be on or off the list, please freep mail me. It is a relatively low volume list. Those of us who have been studying the issue have collected various articles and thread links on the Agenda 21 thread which can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738418/posts


19 posted on 11/06/2011 2:47:41 PM PST by TEXOKIE (The Tea Party outnumbers the Flea Party!)
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To: DLfromthedesert

Thanks DL!


20 posted on 11/06/2011 2:53:56 PM PST by TEXOKIE (The Tea Party outnumbers the Flea Party!)
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To: goodnesswins

They are doing so currently in central Arkansas - the Lake Maumelle watershed to be specific. The rights of private property owners will be restricted in the use of their land to conform with the land use plan. They are doing so under the guise of environmental protections and watershed protection, but it a thin veil of horse manure.

Google Lake Maumelle Watershed and you should get thousands of hits - both the liberal envirotard web stuffing of the ArkTimes, but also from Tea Pary groups who have been fighting the encroachment. An example of what it mandates if passed: 25% of your private lot must remain undisturbed, no sturctures over 2 stories tall, the height of fences is stipulated, etc. It is not about watershed protection as much as it is about removing your contol over private land that you own.


21 posted on 11/06/2011 3:08:30 PM PST by RobertClark ("Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves. William Pitt

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22 posted on 11/06/2011 3:13:55 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Cicero

Well they have 12 more mos to make trouble all over the country and then as soon as we swear in Newt or Herman or even Perry the party is over for the EPA and all of these other rogue agencies. I am just counting the days.


23 posted on 11/06/2011 3:16:18 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RobertClark; All

Zoning laws are the favored means of control of local tyrants everywhere. The watermelon greens (green on the outside, red on the inside) have seen them as a way to institute detailed control at the state and federal level that would never be tolerated locally.

This is what is going on with Agenda 21 and numerous referendums and legislative systems around the country. In Arizona we surrendered a significant amount of local control over zoning to the State for just these sort of rules. It is taking property without compensation.

The forbidding of significant walls around a property (3 foot tall fences in front, no more than 6 foot in the back and sides), is to insure that the enforcement agents can see what is in your property to enforce the zoning codes.


24 posted on 11/06/2011 3:19:55 PM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: Docs Galore

Ok here is the silver lining if any in this. If the land is now worthless and cannot be sold that means its value is $0 so the taxes should be 0$ also!


25 posted on 11/06/2011 3:36:29 PM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: Docs Galore
Another Day.

Another Injury

Another step closer.

26 posted on 11/06/2011 4:13:29 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: TEXOKIE

Thanks for the ping.


27 posted on 11/06/2011 4:32:48 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Docs Galore
....welcome to California....

ask the folks at Nacimiento Lake how this will play out....

ask folks at Berreyessa .....

If you play with the Feds....you dance to their tune....

28 posted on 11/06/2011 4:42:58 PM PST by ptsal
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To: Docs Galore

This is economic stimulus action for surveyors and appraisers in the affected location. The rest of us will just have to pay higher title insurance premiums.


29 posted on 11/06/2011 4:51:29 PM PST by Rebelbase (Yes we Cain!)
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To: Docs Galore

Oh, forgot the biggest recipients of this stimulus action—the F’ing attorneys!


30 posted on 11/06/2011 4:52:14 PM PST by Rebelbase (Yes we Cain!)
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To: marktwain

I think a great bumpersticker would be

SMASH THE WATERMELONS!
end environmental fascism!


31 posted on 11/06/2011 5:56:36 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Well they have 12 more mos to make trouble all over the country and then as soon as we swear in Newt or Herman or even Perry the party is over for the EPA and all of these other rogue agencies.

Concerning your post. I'm optimistic, yet cautious. How many times have we put our faith in politicians and had them stab us in the back?

32 posted on 11/06/2011 6:01:38 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOs!!!)
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To: KC Burke
Not in the zone and for that we are thankful. We are MM 2 on the Big Niangua.

There is an untold story that could link the former P&Z Director who quit without notice, the approval of a new flood zone map and the sudden FERC demand to remove many homes, mostly along the Big Niangua past Bridal Cave (MM 7-8-9 etc.) The lake becomes more narrow in this section, which brings about the 670 zone, apparently.
No one knows where he went or why he quit so suddenly. I suspect there is a connection.

Clair McCackle may be the key to putting a stop to FERC. Blunt, sadly, has not taken much interest except to sign on Clair's bill prohibiting FERC’s actions.

33 posted on 11/06/2011 6:03:23 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Cicero

The Lake of the Ozarks was built in 1929-1930.


34 posted on 11/06/2011 6:06:30 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Texas Eagle

You are welcome!


35 posted on 11/06/2011 6:12:21 PM PST by TEXOKIE (The Tea Party outnumbers the Flea Party!)
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To: goodnesswins

Generally they become local regulations at the county and municipal level, once those governing bodies vote them in,...which they are scripted to advocate.

Technically, federal government and major agencies now design and construct to International Building Code, and the 10 or so other adjunct codes all interlock together.

Reviewing how they are written, they follow the European model of codification, which tends to dictate the actual method of design calculations made during the design process, resulting in everything appearing to be ‘canned’ or off the shelf design.


36 posted on 11/06/2011 7:18:55 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

Thanks, I do realize that...just wondering if you have a particular city/county you are talking about. Are you referencing ICLEI by any chance? I’m co-producer of a radio show, and we’ve been covering a lot of this Agenda 21 stuff...and want to talk with people who have gone thru it, or gotten OUT of it.... check out.... ISPYONSALEM.com


37 posted on 11/06/2011 8:37:18 PM PST by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: TEXOKIE

Thanks for the ping!


38 posted on 11/06/2011 9:16:52 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Grizzled Bear

“Concerning your post. I’m optimistic, yet cautious. How many times have we put our faith in politicians and had them stab us in the back?”

Me too. I am hopeful that the GOP and a new president will take care of the problems. This is their last chance with us. If they fall down this time we will be very interested in a third party as I believe a lot of others will.


39 posted on 11/07/2011 6:49:30 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Yes. The article mentions 30 years as the age of many of the lakeshore cottages. But many of these hydro projects go back to FDR, or Hoover before him.


40 posted on 11/07/2011 7:31:32 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Lake of the Ozarks, MO) — Congresswomen Vicky Hartzler will be at the Lake of the Ozarks this week meeting with homeowners who are at risk of losing their homes. The meeting is Tuesday**

The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission says some properties sit too close to the shoreline and within the boundary of the Bagnell Dam project.

Hartzler along with Senators Roy Blunt and Claire McCaskill have all proposed legislation that would protect the rights of thousands of homeowners at the lake.


41 posted on 11/07/2011 9:22:55 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: Cicero
Lake of the Ozarks in unique because it was a private development, not a federal power project. It began life at Kansas City Power and Light in the 1920s but KCPL gave it up to Union Electric of St. Louis. UE bought up the property for the hydro power lake, built the dam and then created a real estate company to sell off lake shore not needed for the project.
They had every right to do this since they had bought the river basin and surrounding land. Wife's grandfather dairy farmed on the floor of what is now MM 5 of the Big Niangua, one of several rivers that flow into the Osage River, dammed by the Bagnel Dam.
42 posted on 11/07/2011 9:31:40 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Ferc reply for re-hearing below
http://www.lakeexpo.com/app/FERC.pdf


43 posted on 11/11/2011 10:37:19 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Ferc reply for re-hearing below
http://www.lakeexpo.com/app/FERC.pdf


44 posted on 11/11/2011 10:37:24 AM PST by KC Burke
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