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In tough economy, Toyota plant brings Miss. jobs
AP/Yahoo ^ | November 7th, 2011 | HOLBROOK MOHR

Posted on 11/07/2011 1:50:19 AM PST by markomalley

Before Toyota came, Cassius Perry was struggling like many in this hilly, sparsely populated region of north Mississippi that's shed thousands of furniture manufacturing jobs since the 1990s. The young father of three went to school to be a barber, but ended up working for a salvage company while he held out hope for something better.

This year Perry landed good pay and health insurance when he went to work for a supplier to the sprawling new Toyota plant on the outskirts of the tiny town of Blue Springs. Hundreds have been hired, giving local leaders hope that their area will become another Southern automotive boomtown. The plant is finally set to begin production on Nov. 17, following more than a year's worth of agonizing delays.

"It changed my whole life around. I was struggling before I got this job. It made a difference for me, my family, my kids and even my church. I can pay tithing now," said Perry, 22. "The benefits make the difference. I don't want to be 30 and stacked up in medical debt."

So far, about 1,250 Toyota employees are already building test cars at the plant, and the company expects to hire another 280 this year. More will come aboard in the future, and dozens of others are employed by suppliers.

(Excerpt) Read more at old.news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: mississippi; toyota
Naturally, the NLRB will order the plant shuttered.
1 posted on 11/07/2011 1:50:20 AM PST by markomalley
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Thanks markomalley.


2 posted on 11/07/2011 3:26:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: markomalley
Haley offered them long term tax exemptions and seized private properties for very little money... so that Toyota could build this plant. Every single Mississippian is paying for these jobs... and will for years... some paid with their personal wealth and property... and the upheaval of their lives.

I love the jobs... I hate the corporatism of Haley and his crony capitalists. I cannot wait to replace him with Phil Bryant... who has promised unlike Haley... to NOT veto eminent domain reform and to pass it into law.

Many of these companies get these sweet deals... and like Oreck in Long Beach, Mississippi... when the exemption time passes for tax free sailing... they packed up their plant and moved it to Tennessee... where they cut another 20 year tax free deal... etc etc etc.

LLS

3 posted on 11/07/2011 4:19:20 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: markomalley

Consider this: When was the last time you heard about GM building a new unionized plant that caused excitement in a community? Or any unionized industry for that matter.


4 posted on 11/07/2011 4:24:14 AM PST by CobraJet
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5 posted on 11/07/2011 4:32:07 AM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Consider what BMW cost the upstate of SC. It cost them thousands of jobs at BMW, hundreds in businesses supplying BMW, millions of dollars in taxes paid by NON UNION workers, thousands in clothes bought locally for employees children to go to school..You can’t swing a dead cat and not hit a BMW on the roads of the Upstate driven by the employees of BMW....yea boy, that sure sucks for the state of SC. It sucks so much it encouraged Boeing to come to SC.


6 posted on 11/07/2011 4:55:30 AM PST by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: LibLieSlayer
seized private properties for very little money... so that Toyota could build this plant. Every single Mississippian is paying for these jobs... and will for years... some paid with their personal wealth and property... and the upheaval of their lives.

Just curious, what's the population of Blue Springs and how many folks allegedly had their lives upheaved and lost their personal wealth and property? As a side note, how was it they lost that stuff?

7 posted on 11/07/2011 4:59:09 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: markomalley

Excellent


8 posted on 11/07/2011 5:26:48 AM PST by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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To: 4everontheRight
I am so happy for your State... we have a Nissan plant that Haley brought in under this same deal. It has created jobs... but the taxes it has generated are no where near the amount of money we paid for those jobs... not to date. That appeared in the Jackson newspaper.

TAKING SOMEONE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY TO ONLY TURN AROUND AND GIVE IT TO ANOTHER PERSON OR COMPANY FOR REASONS OF PROFIT... are not the ideals of nor the Rights given by our FOUNDERS. This is government stealing one persons property to give to another... and the politicians get rich by doing it.

LLS

9 posted on 11/07/2011 8:14:09 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Hot Tabasco
What does it matter... is one person ok to steal from or is the threshold 5 or 10 or 12? What does it matter? It is one thing to take someone’s property for a public highway or a school... but when they take from one person to give to another because there is more money in it for the politicians to spend... it is wrong... and spending is what has gotten us to the edge... or worse... a friend of the politician wants your property... they can take it from you with little effort. In Mississippi, the State can take your home away from you and sell or give it easily. I know... I have lived under the threat of eminent domain for the past 6 years... 24 Acres of GOD’s country paid for in every way... my American Dream! They may eventually take it from me.

Haley vetoed a bill that would have stopped this crony capitalism/nepotism once and for all... Phil Bryant... the Republican running to replace Haley... has sworn an oath to pass eminent domain reform... and he will. I will vote for him tomorrow!

LLS

10 posted on 11/07/2011 8:33:22 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: LibLieSlayer
What does it matter... is one person ok to steal from or is the threshold 5 or 10 or 12?

At this point, you're sounding like a reporter for the Politico........It's not the lack facts, it's the severity of accusation right?

11 posted on 11/07/2011 11:22:34 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: LibLieSlayer
no where near the amount of money we paid for those jobs

You've made that statement several times dude, time to step forward with the facts.........As for that "WE" business, you got a mouse in your pocket?

12 posted on 11/07/2011 11:25:32 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Hot Tabasco

It was in the Jackson paper... YOU find it... I do not owe you anything. I will state my opinion here and no one but Jim has the right to stop me... all Jim has to do is ask. If you do not like hearing my opinion... do us both a favor and ignore me from now on.

LLS


13 posted on 11/07/2011 12:26:14 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: LibLieSlayer
It was in the Jackson paper... YOU find it... I do not owe you anything. I will state my opinion here and no one but Jim has the right to stop me... all Jim has to do is ask. If you do not like hearing my opinion... do us both a favor and ignore me from now on.

Figures, classic unsubstantiated allegations.........You should change your screen name to "anonymous source", that way, you can post your lies to your heart's content and you won't have to provide any facts to verify anything you say......


14 posted on 11/07/2011 1:20:32 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: LibLieSlayer
do us both a favor and ignore me from now on.

You'd like that wouldn't you? Post facts and you'll have no problem from me or anyone else around here.......

15 posted on 11/07/2011 1:23:03 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Hot Tabasco
His claim is that the state government exercised its power of eminent domain to forcibly seize the property of one private owner for the benefit of a different, more favored, private owner. Do you seriously argue that's OK?
16 posted on 11/07/2011 1:26:53 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
His claim is that the state government exercised its power of eminent domain to forcibly seize the property of one private owner

No it didn't, reread his initial post #3.........

Then reread my subsequent postings to him requesting facts relevant to his allegations...which he could not provide.......

As for your last question, it does not apply until the facts are provided.......

If and when this dude provides the facts that I have requested, then we can discuss your last question..........

Since the dude could not answer my initial question about the population of Blue Springs, it's in the neighborhood of 144....and the surrounding area is nothing but rural woodlands....

17 posted on 11/07/2011 2:02:05 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Hot Tabasco

I supplied you with the source of the Nissan plant story... I owe you nothing. Piss off troll.

LLS


18 posted on 11/07/2011 2:10:40 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Hot Tabasco
It appears that you're suggesting that the small population would forgive the taking of private property; that's the point of my question, not whether you and another Freeper are in some sort of feud.
19 posted on 11/07/2011 2:13:23 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
It appears that you're suggesting that the small population would forgive the taking of private property; that's the point of my question,

No I'm not, it's the bogus accusation that subject poster has been unable to substantiate......and now you.

Provide the evidence that anyone in the Blue Springs city had their property confiscated under the "Emminent Domain" laws then we can have a discussion........Thats fair enough isn't it?

20 posted on 11/07/2011 2:27:24 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: LibLieSlayer
FWIW, this thread is about Toytota, not Nissan........

But to humor you, here is your "UNSOURCED" reference about Nissan......

"we have a Nissan plant"

Oh really? Where, on Uranus?

I owe you nothing. Piss off troll.

Nasty, nasty, nasty.........YOU LOSE!

21 posted on 11/07/2011 2:36:50 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Hot Tabasco

A Google search of something to the effect of “Toyota eminent domain” might prove a more valuable expenditure of your time than huffing and puffing.


22 posted on 11/07/2011 2:40:19 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Hot Tabasco

The Toyota plant is just off the highway on 78, outside of Tupelo. I have not seen any homes built near the highway, it’s just flat land on either side. I, also, would like to see some proof that people were kicked out of their homes for this plant. I do not live in MS but my company has a manufacturing plant down there and I’ve passed by the Toyota plant a few times while it was under construction.


24 posted on 11/07/2011 3:37:07 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Mr. Lucky
A Google search of something to the effect of “Toyota eminent domain” might prove a more valuable expenditure of your time

Do it yourself or leave it up to LLS, he's making all the claims against Toyota in Blue Springs........In case you've forgotten, this is about Toyota in Blue Springs.......

I find it not surprising that he has been unable to answer my previous questions..nor have you but giving you the benefit of the doubt, you're merely a pawn in his bogus claim about Toyota, BS......

25 posted on 11/07/2011 4:21:56 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: rabidralph
it’s just flat land on either side. I, also, would like to see some proof that people were kicked out of their homes for this plant.

I saw the same satelit4e immag4es and you're right, nothing there, no farm land no nothing..........

26 posted on 11/07/2011 4:25:59 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: LibLieSlayer

As a side not LLS, what do you personally know about Blue Springs, MS, that qualifies you to to determine that Toyota srewed some residents there, do you live there? Do you live even remotely close to that town?


27 posted on 11/07/2011 4:39:58 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Hot Tabasco
Here is a link to an article that has some detailed information concerning this discussion. While I was wrong about some of the comments that I made... I was right on my basic premise and there was indeed private property seized that had to be seized to build these plants... they just did not include direct plant property... but it is worse... the State seized the property and paid for it with public funds... and then built roads... which were paid for with public funds... all to sweeten the deal to lure these plants here.

There are homes involved in the case of Nissan... and private property was seized in the Case of Toyota (for these public roads). These seizures were not for schools but for roads... but the roads were built in a comprehensive deal to lure these plants here... this is splitting hairs... bottom line... tomorrow's referendum on a Constitutional Amendment will stop these types of sleight of hand politics.

Here is the link to the article and an excerpt from it. Below that are my comments on this... and if this does not satisfy you then I have nothing more to say.

http://deltafarmpress.com/eminent-domain-private-development-0

Was any reason given for the governor’s veto of a measure that had won overwhelming approval in both houses?

“I never heard any official reason. There was talk at the time that if such legislation had been in place, we would not have got either the Nissan or Toyota plants in Mississippi.

“I attended the hearings in the eminent domain case related to the Nissan plant, and the judge ruled in favor of the landowner, saying the state couldn't’t take the land through eminent domain for economic development. The only land that was taken through eminent domain for the Nissan plant was for access roads and other infrastructure that was for true public use.

“The same was true for the Toyota plant; the only land taken through eminent domain was for roads for public use.”

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“Haley offered them long term tax exemptions and seized private properties for very little money”

This is true… the Clarion Ledger ran a couple of stories about below market value payments.

“... so that Toyota could build this plant. Every single Mississippian is paying for these jobs... and will for years... some paid with their personal wealth and property... and the upheaval of their lives.”

It seems that it was just property and not homes seized in the case of Toyota… it was private property that was taken from individuals for access to this plant property… and in the case of Nissan… the Nissan plant had one home that was under direct threat but was not taken for the plants use itself (court case cited in the linked article)… but there were homes taken for public access of right of way. In addition to this, we cut these companies some lucrative tax deals etc..

Now I was wrong (partially) about homes being taken for the direct use for plant property... in the case of Toyota no homes were taken for use on actual plant property... but property was taken to build roads into and out of that facility. I was right that in the case of Nissan... there was one home threatened for direct use... but there were homes taken for the public roads leading into and out of the Nissan plant. Property seizures... even in this case... would not have happened if it were not directly for the fact that this plant was being built and the sole purpose for these roads were to close the deal on building these plants... and who paid for these roads and who paid for that property? WE the people did... through tax receipts... but I was partially wrong and I freely admit that. By focusing on this one subject, you have totally ignored the larger story here.

Haley was involved in a land deal in Stone County, where a convicted (in Florida of the same kind of deal that he was working here in Mississippi) land developer (from Florida) was promising the County Commissioners the moon… schools… shopping centers… golf course… tennis courts… apartment complexes… turning rural Mississippi into an extension of the Gulf Coast… the entire dream ticket. They started a few Spec houses and cleared some land… Haley sent a representative down to do whatever he could to help implement this plan. Most of the populace saw through this charade and the Sun Herald and WLOX TV ran stories on this fellow and this land deal… one contentious “Town Hall Meeting” was held in Wiggins, Ms… WLOX ran some video on it... and people were raging... and about 4 months ago… the banks that were stuck with the loans from this failed plan... held an auction to liquidate the property they now own… they still own a great deal of land.

Many of these companies get these sweet deals... and in the case of Oreck Corporation in Long Beach, Mississippi... when the exemption time passed for tax free sailing... they packed up their plant and moved it to Tennessee... where they cut another 20 year tax free deal... etc etc etc. They should have some protections built into these agreements for the investments of the tax payers... to see to it that this abandonment cannot happen as soon as an agreement ends.

I was not 100% correct... but I was not “wrong”. There are also many cases where homes have been taken for redistribution of wealth... and they are documented... and that is the motivating factor behind the vote tomorrow for a Constitutional Amendment barring this practice... if the problem were not real... there would be no referendum vote tomorrow.

LLS

28 posted on 11/07/2011 7:19:14 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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