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MSNBC Analyst: We Should Get Rid of the Second Amendment
Townhall.com ^ | November 7, 2011 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 11/07/2011 5:51:11 AM PST by Kaslin

What is the deal with MSNBC folks being anti-Second Amendment lately? Last week it was fill in host Craig Melvin and this week it's analyst and Huffington Post writer Alex Wagner.

Wagner was on Real Time With Bill Maher and when asked about what should be changed in the Constitution, Wagner said we should get rid of the Second Amendment.

Bill Maher, HBO: "Let's ask Alex. What would you change in the Constitution?"


Alex Wagner, Huffington Post: "Well, I'm going to be pilloried for this. I think get rid of the second Amendment, the right to bear arms. I just think in the grand scheme of the rights that we have; the right of assembly, free speech, I mean, owning a gun does not, it does not tally on the same level as those other Constitutional rights. And being more discreet about who gets to have a firearm and right to kill with a firearm, I think is something that would be in our national interest to revisit that."

Thankfully, Rep. Darrell Issa was on the same panel and set her straight.

Issa: We have a problem in America which is we misunderstand quite frankly what the Second Amendment is for, it's for law abiding citizens to have a right both to protect themselves and to be protected from living under tyranny.

My question for Wagner is this: What happens when you no longer have a right to free speech? The Second Amendment holds up the First Amendment. Criminals don't care if a right to bear arms is in the Constitution, they arm themselves anyway. Disarming law abiding citizens only makes them sitting ducks and victims of violence from criminals and victims of oppression from their government.

History lesson: What was the first thing the Nazi's did? They disarmed the citizenry so they could have total control over the people, and we all know how that ended up.

Adolf Hitler's use of firearms registration lists to confiscate guns and the execution of their owners teaches a forceful lesson -- one that reveals why the American people and Congress have rejected registering honest firearm owners.

The Night of the Broken Glass (Kristallnacht)--the infamous Nazi rampage against Germany's Jews--took place in November 1938. It was preceded by the confiscation of firearms from the Jewish victims. On Nov. 8, the New York Times reported from Berlin, "Berlin Police Head Announces 'Disarming' of Jews," explaining:

The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin had been "disarmed" with the confiscation of 2,569 hand weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition. Any Jews still found in possession of weapons without valid licenses are threatened with the severest punishment.


On the evening of Nov. 9, Adolf Hitler, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, and other Nazi chiefs planned the attack. Orders went out to Nazi security forces: "All Jewish stores are to be destroyed immediately . . . . Jewish synagogues are to be set on fire . . . . The Führer wishes that the police does not intervene. . . . All Jews are to be disarmed. In the event of resistance they are to be shot immediately."

You can watch the video clip here.


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1 posted on 11/07/2011 5:51:13 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I can only pray the left would start pushing this!!!


2 posted on 11/07/2011 5:52:34 AM PST by ontap
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To: Kaslin

I’d rather get rid of liberal’s right to free speech.


3 posted on 11/07/2011 5:52:38 AM PST by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Kaslin

without the 2nd amendment you wouldn’t have any other rights.


4 posted on 11/07/2011 5:52:41 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: Kaslin

There is a reason PMSNBC is at the bottom of the ratings heap.
Too bad they still make enough money to survive.


5 posted on 11/07/2011 5:52:46 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Kaslin
What is the deal with MSNBC folks being anti-Second Amendment lately? Last week it was fill in host Craig Melvin and this week it's analyst and Huffington Post writer Alex Wagner.

Lately? It's in their blood.

6 posted on 11/07/2011 5:54:11 AM PST by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: G Larry

Ditto here


7 posted on 11/07/2011 5:56:58 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

ping


8 posted on 11/07/2011 5:57:02 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Kaslin

We should get rid of the part of the US Constitution which says abortion is a right.

Oh. That’s right.

THERE ISN’T ONE.


9 posted on 11/07/2011 5:57:33 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Very well said


10 posted on 11/07/2011 5:57:41 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Unarm the public and you rule. No way to stop them. THAT is what this is all about. TOTAL CONTROL. TOTAL RULE. THEY HAVE AND RULE. YOU have to TAKE IT!!!! If America is so stupid enough, and they are, to give up total freedom to these scumbags in Sodom on the Potomac, then shup up and take it. You gave it too them. It is the sign of the times friend. The Bible warned of these. Take heed. Time draws short. If you don’t know your Lord, can I suggest now might be a very good time to search Him out. Time draws near. The things written in Daniel and Revelation are CLEARLY happening now. The signs of the end times. Clear as day.


11 posted on 11/07/2011 5:58:38 AM PST by RetiredArmy (As the End Times draws near, remember the Bible WARNED of these times. Be ready!)
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To: bcsco

“What is the deal with MSNBC folks being anti-Second Amendment lately?”
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It’s a Communist thing, don’tcha know?
They are even more Marxist then the Commie News Network.


12 posted on 11/07/2011 5:58:55 AM PST by AlexW
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Of course there would be other rights without the 2nd Amendment.

- the right to an abortion using taxpayer dollars
- the right for sick and old people to die without medical care
- the right for gays to do anything they want
- the right to discriminate against Christians and Jews

There are probably a bunch more.


13 posted on 11/07/2011 6:00:12 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kaslin
"All Jewish stores are to be destroyed immediately . . . . Jewish synagogues are to be set on fire . . . . ...

Were they original thinkers on these ideas, or did they do a little Koran plagiarizing?

14 posted on 11/07/2011 6:00:36 AM PST by C210N (zer0 - a Marxonist spreading the flames of obamunism wherever he goes.)
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To: Kaslin

better we should get rid of msnbc


15 posted on 11/07/2011 6:01:48 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: Kaslin
These libs think of the Constitution as an anachronism. To them the concept of government with the consent of the governed is little more than a quaint notion or platitude. What they fail to realize is that for the people to truly give their consent, they must also retain the right to refuse or to revoke that consent, otherwise, it's not legitimate consent.

The second amendment is what provides that very right and ability to revoke our consent.

16 posted on 11/07/2011 6:02:08 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Your post is predicated on the assumption that a written set of rules, laws, constitutions, or contracts

trumps the assumption of modern liberals that their intellect and special knowledge of the present to make ad hoc decisions.

They don’t have the same assumption that you do.

This is partly the post-modernist philosophy, and partly the evolutionary mindset (things/people/intellect getting better and better with time).


17 posted on 11/07/2011 6:02:55 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin
What is the deal with MSNBC folks being anti-Second Amendment lately?

Don't get too excited.

This is simply the lefitst MSM's effort to counter the growing Fast and Furious scandal. You are seeing another arm of that initiative coming from Senator Feinstein who is arguing that "anybody" can just walk into gun store and buy anything they want. Oh horrors.

18 posted on 11/07/2011 6:04:09 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: ontap

Careful what you wish for!


19 posted on 11/07/2011 6:05:01 AM PST by RexBeach (There is no such thing as a good tax - Winston Churchill)
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To: C210N
Were they original thinkers on these ideas, or did they do a little Koran plagiarizing?

They quoted Martin Luther!

20 posted on 11/07/2011 6:05:13 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: driftdiver

One more:

The right for Obama to declare himself King.


21 posted on 11/07/2011 6:05:33 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Kaslin
Na...we should use the 2nd Amendment to get rid of commies.....I like that much, much better.
22 posted on 11/07/2011 6:05:33 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: InterceptPoint
This is simply the lefitst MSM's effort to counter the growing Fast and Furious scandal. You are seeing another arm of that initiative coming from Senator Feinstein who is arguing that "anybody" can just walk into gun store and buy anything they want. Oh horrors.

And do what? Kill someone? Liberals kill their own babies every day in America. Every single day.

23 posted on 11/07/2011 6:08:28 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: AlexW

Yep. Anyone asking a question like that is being disingenuous, or is so clueless they have no right to be editorializing.


24 posted on 11/07/2011 6:09:54 AM PST by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: Kaslin

There’s that constant fear that the revolution of the proletariat won’t be received well by a free people.

Any time a dictatorship and it’s minions are afraid of the people is a good sign that the people may yet prevail.


25 posted on 11/07/2011 6:09:57 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Kaslin

This guy is probably Obama’s next SCOTUS pick.


26 posted on 11/07/2011 6:11:36 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: Kaslin

I have a better idea, Alex. Why don’t you permanently move to a country without a second amendment? It seems to me that you would be more content anywhere but in the US.


27 posted on 11/07/2011 6:11:42 AM PST by Altariel
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To: Steamburg

There is no doubt that we’re seeing the left pushing the beginnings of their violent communist revolution. That’s as obvious as the nose on your face.

But... I don’t get it - they HAVE to disarm the people first, or this absolutely cannot succeed.

It seems they’re getting way ahead of themselves by stirring up the civil unrest at this point.


28 posted on 11/07/2011 6:12:22 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: C210N

A little of both. Read up on Al Husseini.


29 posted on 11/07/2011 6:12:35 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Kaslin

I’d rather get rid of liberal’s right to breath free air.


30 posted on 11/07/2011 6:12:52 AM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: Kaslin

How can I make this constitutional loving liberal realize that if the government can take away my Second Amendment rights they can take away any rights.


31 posted on 11/07/2011 6:13:17 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Kaslin
Excuse me, but there are left wing Communist activists trashing our cities right now. I don't think disarming the innocent population is a good idea.

Owning a weapon of self defense, especially now that austerity measures are necessary, should be mandatory! It should be required by law!

The freeloaders aren't going to be happy about earning their own keep. If they can't get their politicians to seal for them, they're going to start doing it for themselves.

32 posted on 11/07/2011 6:13:49 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Kaslin

Alex Wagner is only one home invasion, robbery or mugging away from a serious attitude adjustment.


33 posted on 11/07/2011 6:13:50 AM PST by JPG (The loons at OWS will soon be at each others throats.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
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34 posted on 11/07/2011 6:14:28 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Kaslin
The 2nd Amendment will STAY in the US Constitution as long as American patriots have ammunition.
35 posted on 11/07/2011 6:14:57 AM PST by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: veritas2002
better we should get rid of msnbc

No, I'm personally happy it is on, and I watch it. It is a valuable thing to have an open window into the enemy camp.

36 posted on 11/07/2011 6:14:57 AM PST by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: ops33

Liberals believe their own rights, will be eaten last.


37 posted on 11/07/2011 6:15:18 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: Kaslin

38 posted on 11/07/2011 6:16:06 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Si vis pacem, para bellum." "If you wish for peace, prepare for war.")
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To: concerned about politics

That left wing lunatic from PMSNBC doesn’t care


39 posted on 11/07/2011 6:16:58 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Go for it, Commie Libs.


40 posted on 11/07/2011 6:18:02 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Kaslin
Well, it would be nice if the author of this (and Issa for that matter) actually understood what the so called BoR really is.

"THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution ..."

If the BoR did not exist, Congress would STILL have no power to limit speech, take away guns, impose a state religion etc ... because WE NEVER GAVE THEM THE POWER TO DO SO! (stupid commerce clause decisions by the USSC notwithstanding.)

Hamilton was right in his claim that by including a BoR, it would imply that the Congress would otherwise have had the power and that unscrupulous persons would use that implication to extend thier power.

41 posted on 11/07/2011 6:20:03 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
At least I find solace in the fact the Dems never wake up to the fact that their gun control fanaticism has lost them more elections than it has helped win; they never figure it out and never will; which ensures we will have many more Repub administrations down the road.

Even Obama who attempts to be quiet as a church mouse concerning gun control screws up with gun walker; they can't help themselves.

42 posted on 11/07/2011 6:21:35 AM PST by Eska
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To: Little Ray

Perhaps sometime in 2013 someone in the House can do something to reintroduce competition to cable TV channels. A lot of these channels wouldn’t be on the air if they weren’t part of a “bundle” of channels that consumers are forced to purchase to get the 2 or 3 channels they really want.

Do you really think many households would pay $1 or $2 per channel for the likes of MSNBC, MTV, HSN, etc?

What we have now is a total lack of competition.


43 posted on 11/07/2011 6:23:27 AM PST by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: sickoflibs

Did you read the story?
“”Thankfully, Rep. Darrell Issa was on the same panel and set her straight”” alex wagner is a woman.


44 posted on 11/07/2011 6:24:03 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Uhhhh!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
That is only true if you are willing to USE your Second Amendment Rights to protect the rest of your Rights.

Give that a try and see how fast folks turn on you for not "following the system"...

45 posted on 11/07/2011 6:24:16 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Joe 6-pack
At least I find solace in the fact the Dems never wake up to the fact that their gun control fanaticism has lost them more elections than it has helped win; they never figure it out and never will; which ensures we will have many more Repub administrations down the road.

Even Obama who attempts to be quiet as a church mouse concerning gun control screws up with gun walker; they can't help themselves.

46 posted on 11/07/2011 6:24:39 AM PST by Eska
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To: US_MilitaryRules

And a dog to boot!


47 posted on 11/07/2011 6:25:15 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Uhhhh!)
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To: JPG
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48 posted on 11/07/2011 6:26:15 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Kaslin
Come and get them Alex. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

49 posted on 11/07/2011 6:27:14 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: Dead Corpse

The founders, in the Declaration, wrote of what you are “observing”.

People are tolerating abuses while they are tolerable, and not seeking the chaos of overthrow while any other means is still possible.

The problem is, are “modern man” is more/too tolerant of abuses and is too hopeful of other solutions.


50 posted on 11/07/2011 6:29:37 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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