Skip to comments.Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died
Posted on 11/07/2011 7:30:46 AM PST by martosko
Forget whatever you think you know about the night Osama bin Laden was killed. According to a former Navy SEAL who claims to have the inside track, the mangled tales told of that historic night have only now been corrected.
It became obvious in the weeks evolving after the mission that the story that was getting put out there was not only untrue, but it was a really ugly farce of what did happen, said Chuck Pfarrer, author of Seal Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden.
In an extensive interview with The Daily Caller, Pfarrer gave a detailed account of why he believes the record needed to be corrected, and why he set out to share the personal stories of the warriors who penetrated bin Ladens long-secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
(Excerpt) Read more at thedc.com ...
Orders to go and kill a foreign national???
I thought so all along!!
No US President ever gave or would give such an order... except JFK when he offed Diem and his brother and routinely denied knowing what about the plan.
How’s that 72 virgin thing going for ya???
I noticed that Doonesbury has his characters talking about the most disasterous foreign policy blunder in our history — Iraq, of course. Reminding me that JFK had a twofer: (1) Bay of Pigs and (2) Vietnam. The first led to a disasterous encounter with Khrushchev in Vienna, leading to near nuclear War in October, 2002. The second led from his decision to let the Diem brothers be “removed,” without a credible replacement in the wings. By the following Spring, the South Vietnamese government was on the point of collapse.
You mean October, 1963.
Also,,, to get prisoners out of Cuba after the Bay of Pigs FUBAR, tell me again how many BILLIONS it cost the US????
I guess since this stuff is ignored by the MSM and omitted from students’ history lessons, we are ALL supposed to forget the actual and verifiable facts of THAT particular foreign policy ‘event’.
When WE are dead and gone, any CORRECT record and remembrance of this stuff will go with us! That’s how it works.
“President Obama’s announcement spoiled intelligence found at the compound”
Later, Seals, many brave men lost lives...
I don’t have anything nice to say.
President Obamas announcement spoiled intelligence found at the compound
Later, Seals, many brave men lost lives...
And that keeps the President’s fairey-tale alive , because those that know and can talk , ... are no longer arround.
“The first led to a disasterous encounter with Khrushchev in Vienna, leading to near nuclear War in October, 2002.”
“You mean October, 1963.”
Both are wrong - October of 1962.
His account is much more realistic.
There is blood on his hands...
I still don’t have anything nice to say.
céad míle fáilte!
A Seal Team Six member would speak confidentially with a fellow Seal. I trust the retired Seal’s version. I trust nothing the current criminal enterprise administration puts out, especially after they have Seal Team Six murdered to shut them up.
Not disputing the people who were there (assuming this stuff is accurately reported), but I found the following a bit incongruous”
He [OBL] dived across the king-size bed to get at the AKSU rifle he kept by the headboard . . . “
A couple of paragraphs above that statement it says that shortly after that he was shot in the chest, and while falling backwards, took a second pop above the left eye socket.
Typically people dive across a bed chest down - I guess it all depends on the timing, and the delay between OBL grabbing his piece and trying to get off a shot (if that’s what he did), but I guess I’m still not entirely comfortable with the consistency of the scenario as described.
No, he means October 1962
BD or LP - Or HC......
How did it REALLY go down - was there a mini-coup in the WH
One picture is worth? Does he look like he's in command of anything? Or hauled in off the golf course, told to sit in the corner and watch how the big boys do it. Notice how neither he nor ‘Plugs” could’ve left the room or sent ‘warnings’ to anyone if they wanted. They are blocked in.
“Typically people dive across a bed chest down - I guess it all depends on the timing, and the delay between OBL grabbing his piece and trying to get off a shot (if thats what he did), but I guess Im still not entirely comfortable with the consistency of the scenario as described.”
Right. If he was diving across the bed for his AK, I expect he would have been riddled with bullets, not just 2 in the head.
Already posted 35 minutes ago...PgDn is your friend.
Unless, of course, you were holding onto your wife as a shield between you and bullets -
Not a lot of 'typical' in an operation like this - but then, what do I know, I'm not a trained Navy Seal nor was I there.
If not, do you think you have the right to second guess and cast doubt on what this trained professional, who was THERE, says?
Our SEALS are not only the toughest of the tough, they are honorable.
I'm not so sure about people who cast dispersion on them - on the world wide web - simply on their own NON-experitse/NON-present, judgment.
Too many people doing this - How about instead, y'all turn your doubts to that whole Seal Team being taken out by a lucky shot from the Tallies...
Like question no. 1:"How did the tallies know where they would be?" - and maybe question no.2: "Why were he Seals in a chooper that was not militarily equipped like the ones they traditionally fly in?
Our Navy Seals are not local Swat Teams who panic and spray hundreds of bullets hoping to take down one person.
They HIT what they aim for - no need for waste of lead.
note to self: expect more from FREEPERS than to cast - like lib-tards - uninformed dispersions. The damn lies came from DC. Yet FREEPERS are questioning the SEALS! - FR ain't what it used to be.
Geez, read the bloody post, for crying out loud:
It starts off “NOT DISPUTING THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE . . .”
My comment was not meant to “second guess” the Seals, nor do I think it DID second guess the Seals - it asked what *I think* was a legitimate question about the *description* of the event.
So maybe there’s more detail that’s available - that would be neat to know.
Or maybe the guy who wrote the piece didn’t describe it as carefully as he might - whatever.
Just because someone asks a question about the *description* of a scene doesn’t mean that person is casting aspersions on the subjects of that scenario.
I have nothing but the utmost admiration for the Seals who put their butts on the line everyday - if somebody did a poor job describing their work, or left out consequential details that their critics could use against them, I don’t think it’s unfair in the least to ask - that’s just *ask* - about it.
“note to self: expect more from FREEPERS than to cast - like lib-tards - uninformed dispersions. The damn lies came from DC. Yet FREEPERS are questioning the SEALS! - FR ain’t what it used to be.”
Only a moron thinks that pointing out apparent inconsistencies in someone’s account is “casting dispersions”. Anyone who thinks that all Seals are beyond question is also a moron. I reserve the right to question ANYONE’s account of events when aspects don’t make sense to me. Those who dont like it can FREAK-OFF. If you don’t like FR anymore perhaps you should leave. You might want to join RAT underground where people blindly believe anything people tell them even if it makes no sense.
Yeah, but after grabbing the gun, one usually rolls over so they can shoot, thus they are chest up. The seal probably didn't say, "he rolled over after grabbing the gun" cuz it was probably understood. The seal's version sounds perfectly fine to me.
Question no 3: Why did they have so many special forces troops in one helo? Question no 4: Why were none of the Rangers the SEALS were sent in to "rescue" killed by the enemy?
I've not read enough of the comments yet (I started at the bottom and am working my way up) to know what it is people on this thread are all up-in-arms about. Thus, I will wait til I've read more before commenting on anything further.
All legalities aside and without caveat or qualification, it would not hurt my feelings at all if the SEALs were strictly following orders and shot the dirt-bag on sight — and anyone stupid enough to stand in the way or try to stop them — without meeting deadly force to justify it.
Why? Because dropping a couple of 500lb bombs would have been perfectly acceptable — even with collateral damage.
We definitely dropped some ordinance tonnage, it was just in 200lbs (+/-) two legged packages. So anyone who thinks the SEALs were out of control gun-slingers (I’m talking to any offended lib-tards; no-one here on FR yet), your morals are royally screwed-up, possibly beyond all repair.
Beyond all that, I want our SOC operators to be universally feared in the sense that, if you wage war against us in *any* sense of the phrase, our warriors may be unleashed to do what we have trained them to do in the deadliest fashion possible and with absolutely zero mercy for those who refuse to instantly, fully and completely surrender.
My view is that, once someone declares war against us (which Al-Q, Talis, most all militant islamic haji’s have done over & over in both spoken & written word), then they agree to have war waged against them — which means we get to do our level-best to *kill* them and anyone helping them whenever we have the opportunity until they say “we surrender” and convince us they *mean* it.
I’m rambling... I realize all the above sentiments aren’t very politically correct Guess that makes me a meanie. So be it.
Well, for all of his "inside" information, Pfarrer is obviously wrong here. The crash and subsequent explosive degrading of Razor 2″ less than a mile from Pakistan's "West Point" blew the mission cover.
Here's my personal experience:
I saw the first FR post on the raid that claimed a former Rumsfeld had gone to the media claiming UBL had been killed a week earlier, nothing about a helo crash. I immediately went to my email to ask a PakMil contact what they knew. But there in my inbox was an email from that contact asking what I knew about a helo crash and degrade and he gave me the coordinates and event time.
Seeing that the event time was only about six hours earlier, I emailed another PakMil contact to see why there was a Pak helo scramble when Pak helos rarely ever fly at night (thinking the Pak's were on a raid). They told me there was no scramble, no jets, no helos, no raid, nothing from the Pak's.
That's when I realized it had to be a SEAL raid, no other operators could pull that off. I then started a new FR post citing a Pak media post about the helo crash and degrade and linking it to a supposed UBL raid by us not in Abbotabad, but in the mountains to the east, that was our military's original cover story. I stated that the original FR post was right and wrong, UBL was targeted, but not a week earlier, only six hours earlier. I posted the location of the crash in Abbotabad and Abotabad media links.
The FR mods pulled my post claiming that it was a duplicate and thus blew FR's shot at the biggest news scoop ever. The only thing I could do was start throwing comments into the original story, which I did.
Eventually other FR posters put up articles substantiating my pulled post. This is all in FR's database and in my user posting archives.
Regarding the rest of Pfarrer's story:
An order to go in and murder someone in their house is not a lawful order, explained Pfarrer.
Excuse me Mr. Pfarrer killing the enemy is most certainly a lawful order, armed or not.
Pfarrer bills the story as absolutely factual. He told TheDC that in order to protect American interests, his book is full of names that are made up, and it is full of bases that are not quite where they really should be. But the timeline of my events, he cautions, and the manner in which it happened is 100 percent accurate. And theyll know that.
Pfarrer is correct in that there was a roof top assault but flat wrong on "Razor 2" tactical tasks. It always was intended to land in the courtyard and conduct a ground assault. It did crash and a backup helo was brought in joining Razor 1 in extracting the operators, including CIA that were in the mission. Contrary to what Pfarrer is saying.
That is common sense, that you would have CIA along as actionable intel ages within minutes and CIA operators and analysts are a critical link to potentially finding targets for drone strikes within hours of the raid.
>>...Careful with that axe, you meanie...<<
Heh! So when the coroner shows up, I’ll ask him to “keep it light” and rule the cause of death as a “splitting-headache”. Keeps the paperwork to a minimum.