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Parents Warned About Mail Order Chicken Pox Lollipops
Yahoo/ABC News ^ | 11/6/11 | Leezel Tanglao

Posted on 11/07/2011 10:01:35 AM PST by DemforBush

Authorities and doctors are warning parents who want to avoid chicken pox vaccines for their children that a new mail-order scheme to share lollipops licked by children infected with the disease as a way to create immunity in their kids is not only unsafe but illegal...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: chickenpox; vaccines
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Ewwww!
1 posted on 11/07/2011 10:01:39 AM PST by DemforBush
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To: DemforBush
I can't sleep at night worrying about Chicken pox Lollipops or more apply called LOLLIPOX.
2 posted on 11/07/2011 10:03:54 AM PST by DeaconRed (My Hat Don't Hang on the same Nail to Long. I am a CAT adjuster.)
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To: DemforBush
Aren't there any number of anti-terrorism, environmental, and bio-hazard laws that could be used to send these people to prison for many years?

Doesn't every mailbox in the country bear a notice prohibiting, among other things, the sending via USPS of hazardous or infectious materials?

3 posted on 11/07/2011 10:04:23 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: All

what kind of a dumb@ss sends a highly virulent strain of bioweapon through the mail to purposefully get people sick?


4 posted on 11/07/2011 10:04:47 AM PST by newnhdad
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To: newnhdad

Muslim?...........


5 posted on 11/07/2011 10:05:58 AM PST by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: DemforBush

What???


6 posted on 11/07/2011 10:06:13 AM PST by novascotianative
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To: DemforBush
Man some people, fixated idiotically upon vaccines, will do all sorts of crazy things to facilitate their crazy delusions.
7 posted on 11/07/2011 10:09:10 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: DemforBush
looked into groups forming on social media sites like Facebook that offer ways to get “natural immunity” from chicken pox by deliberately exposing children to the disease.

This is one case where the parents of the victims deserve just as much blame as the perpetrators. What idiot willingly lets his kid lick a lollipop that has been licked by a kid with chicken pox or some other disease? You would have to be the most incredibly stupid parent on the face of the earth to participate in this.

8 posted on 11/07/2011 10:11:33 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: DemforBush

Do these idiots know Cpox is dangerous?
I remember a child, who due to complications related to chicken pox,lost his legs.


9 posted on 11/07/2011 10:11:40 AM PST by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: DemforBush

Back when I was a kid if as a child you had not yet had CP, a playdate would be arranged so the uninfected child would visit an infected child so you would be sure to catch it rather than get it as an adult.


10 posted on 11/07/2011 10:15:37 AM PST by eastforker
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To: DemforBush

I remember as a young kid people wanting to expose their young kids to mumps—because, I guess, it is better to have them at a young age. But this lollipop thing is seems very risky. Not to mention what other stuff you could get. Chicken pox is really something you don’t want to mess with—it could be very dangerous.


11 posted on 11/07/2011 10:16:12 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: DemforBush

This didn’t go over too well in the South Park cartoon version either.


12 posted on 11/07/2011 10:17:12 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: DemforBush
A lot of Freepers are all for it, despite evidence that it's a really bad idea. Different article, same general topic posted the other day: Genius Parents Are Organizing ‘Pox Parties’ on Facebook.
13 posted on 11/07/2011 10:20:02 AM PST by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

so now I have to get my mail irradiated because some jackwagon decided to buck the vaccination “conspiracy” and risk a mass spreading of a dangerous biological agent.

Like I tell my children all the time, life will be infinitely more complicated because of the actions of incompetent, thoughtless people.


14 posted on 11/07/2011 10:21:22 AM PST by newnhdad
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To: DemforBush
...not only unsafe but illegal...

To say nothing of "downright creepy".

15 posted on 11/07/2011 10:24:39 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MizSterious

As opposed to a chicken pox vaccine?

Very much so. I’d rather have my kids catch it through natural exposure than suffer from the vaccine.

This scheme, on the other hand, is just bad.


16 posted on 11/07/2011 10:24:59 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: newnhdad

Thats not exactly what this is...your statement would indicate that its being done randomly. Apparently it is not. It seems that parents are networking with each other to have the infected items sent to their kids.

Some folks simply do not want to vaccinate their kids, especially for the relatively benign chicken pox. Pre 1995 there was no vaccine and the vast majority of those who contracted it did just fine.

Not saying I agree with that in any way. But its not randome mailings of infected materials.


17 posted on 11/07/2011 10:25:37 AM PST by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: DemforBush

This is right up there among the dumbest things I’ve ever read on FR that didn’t involve Lindsay Lohan or Joe Biden.


18 posted on 11/07/2011 10:25:54 AM PST by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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To: eastforker
Back when I was a kid if as a child you had not yet had CP, a playdate would be arranged so the uninfected child would visit an infected child so you would be sure to catch it rather than get it as an adult.

The reason that they now vaccinate for Chicken Pox is not really to prevent Chicken Pox, although that is a plus. Once you have C-Pox you always have it, like Malaria. And like Malaria, it comes back during periods of stress throughout your life. This is what Shingles is.

19 posted on 11/07/2011 10:31:59 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: BenKenobi
Very much so. I’d rather have my kids catch it through natural exposure than suffer from the vaccine.

So you would prefere that they have C-Pox now and recurrent Shingles through their entire adult lives? Shingles is C-Pox. It never goes away, just dormant.

20 posted on 11/07/2011 10:34:19 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

As opposed to the vaccine? Absolutely. Same with the Flu btw.

Some diseases make sensible vaccines. Chickenpox is not one of them.


21 posted on 11/07/2011 10:37:53 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Adder

one of their packages busts open in the process, which is something that happens all the time, and it’s the problem of every employee in that facility, every person that has mail processed through that facility, the family of every person that works in that facility and so on. It then becomes the problem of everyone in the postal region.

So, even though it’s not random, the consequence of distributing a communicable disease through the mail has the potential to effect more people than the unknowing innocent child of the numbskull that decided to place everyone else at risk just to stick it to the evil medical-industrial complex.

Funny thing, when I was a kid, my parents tried to keep us safe, not infect us with something that could mutate and kill us.


22 posted on 11/07/2011 10:40:23 AM PST by newnhdad
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To: WKUHilltopper
I remember as a young kid people wanting to expose their young kids to mumps—because, I guess, it is better to have them at a young age.

And that was before a mumps vaccine was developed.
23 posted on 11/07/2011 10:43:28 AM PST by aruanan
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To: DemforBush

Don't forget the Chicken Pox Parties


24 posted on 11/07/2011 10:46:03 AM PST by deport
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To: newnhdad
Funny thing, when I was a kid, my parents tried to keep us safe, not infect us with something that could mutate and kill us.

When I was growing up parents would encourage exposure to chicken pox through get togethers with friends who had infected kids. This would inoculate the children who caught the disease from catching it as an adult, when chicken pox would be much more dangerous. However, the FB sharing of lolipops is just sick IMO.

25 posted on 11/07/2011 10:46:40 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: SampleMan

Shingles in adulthood from childhood exposure to chicken pox is much rarer and usually much less severe if that exposure was through vaccination rather than an actual bout of chicken pox.


26 posted on 11/07/2011 10:52:40 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

You can also get a vaccination for Shingles to ‘re charge’ your immune system against the chicken pox virus. It is recommended for anyone 60 years or older who was exposed to chicken pox as a youth.


27 posted on 11/07/2011 10:54:09 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/09/01/12896.aspx

The vaccine is CAUSING the uptick in shingles.


28 posted on 11/07/2011 10:56:25 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: DemforBush

OMG, sometimes I marvel at the stuff FReepers will fall for just because they read it on Yahoo.

Here is a link to the Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Find-A-Pox-Party-Near-You/191922217552208?sk=wall

If one is not on FB, you probably won’t see it. However, there are a big 218 people who like this page. 218!!!!!!
Hobby Lobby has 275,693. Even the Zombie Apocalypse page has over 100,000.

People, every group has extremists. 218 people on a FB page = the extremists. FR is falling for a non-story, again.


29 posted on 11/07/2011 11:03:21 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Tax-chick
This is right up there among the dumbest things I’ve ever read on FR that didn’t involve Lindsay Lohan or Joe Biden.

Ok, that right there is funny!

Parents doing things like this not so much. I had chicken pox as a kid, caught it from my brother. (Thanks Bro!) I was uncomfortable for a few days, he was deathly ill.

Having nursed my husband through a case of the shingles I can only say I am glad my nieces will not have to endure that.

30 posted on 11/07/2011 11:03:29 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: netmilsmom
I think you are getting suckered by fake articles and a charlatan. The story you link to refers to an article by Gary Goldman, PhD. But google him and you see it is a PhD in Computer Science, and it is from a online school, not a "real" university. Also, the citation link to his article is broken. I can find no credible article in a real medical journal by a real doctor that backs up the claim that the vaccine is causing in increase in shingles.

You really need to seek out primary sources on this kind of thing..

31 posted on 11/07/2011 11:09:15 AM PST by MrShoop
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To: newnhdad
Better question would be:

" what kind of a dumb@ss parent/care giver would order these.", but THEN again they did vote for ZERO.

32 posted on 11/07/2011 11:16:33 AM PST by annieokie
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To: BenKenobi

If you read the linked thread, you’ll see how chickenpox morphs into shingles later in life for many people, and you can read the horror stories of the pain involved with that. The vaccine has not been proven to be as much of a danger as chickenpox. Lots of tin foil going on with the whole vaccine thing.


33 posted on 11/07/2011 11:18:26 AM PST by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: allmendream

Not as rare as you seem to think. It’s not a rare disease. Of course, you can get a vaccination for it—but oops, that would be one of those e-vile vaccinations. Better to suffer, I guess.


34 posted on 11/07/2011 11:22:14 AM PST by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: netmilsmom

Looks like a shaky source.


35 posted on 11/07/2011 11:24:50 AM PST by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MrShoop

No, I think you have the wrong Gary Goldman. It’s a pretty common name.

Dr. Goldman serves as a reviewer for the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), Vaccine, The American Journal of Managed Care (AJMC), Expert Review of Vaccines (ERV), Expert Review of Dermatology (ERD), Journal of the European Academy of Dermatology and Venereology (JEADV), Epidemiology and Infection, and British Medical Journal (BMJ).


36 posted on 11/07/2011 11:26:18 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
What idiot willingly lets his kid lick a lollipop that has been licked by a kid with chicken pox or some other disease? You would have to be the most incredibly stupid parent on the face of the earth to participate in this.

I guess you have never heard of a 'chicken pox party'?

37 posted on 11/07/2011 11:27:18 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: MizSterious

And you assume I am:

1, not aware of the risks of shingles.
2, in agreement with you about the risks of the vaccine.
3, in agreement with you about the risks of chicken pox.

Calling me a ‘tinfoil’ hat, is not at all productive.

I believe vaccines should be restricted to illnesses that are:

1, lifethreatening.
2, with substantive protection factor.

Chickenpox fails on both counts, ergo, I don’t believe that chicken pox should be vaccinated. Others, if they choose to do so, are very much welcome to, but count me and my family out.


38 posted on 11/07/2011 11:29:47 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

Chickenpox CAN be life-threatening. Idiots like this, and idiots like the selfish dolts who allow their infected children to infect everyone else are also life-threatening. I shudder to think of the people with compromised immune systems, both children and adults, who would suffer from this kind of thinking.


39 posted on 11/07/2011 11:34:39 AM PST by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: netmilsmom
No, I definitely have the right guy. This is his own page where he claims to be a reviewer for JAMA (a claim that isn't substantiated). Frankly, just looking at his page, he has zero credibility:

http://www.drgoldmanonline.com/

You can see on this site, same photo of him, where he went to school. It isn't surprising he doesn't list his school on his own page, because I think most people would agree that paying for an online PhD program is not credible at all..

http://www.novaccine.com/gary_s_goldman.asp

40 posted on 11/07/2011 11:40:12 AM PST by MrShoop
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To: netmilsmom; MrShoop
No, I think you have the wrong Gary Goldman

Nope It's him

And his own website screams Crank from Crankville in the state of Cranky.

41 posted on 11/07/2011 11:43:14 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: MizSterious

Then it makes no sense to vaccinate perfectly healthy people. Thank you.


42 posted on 11/07/2011 11:45:17 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: MizSterious

Let me ask you another question.

Do you believe that a chickenpox vaccine should be made mandatory?


43 posted on 11/07/2011 11:47:08 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: MrShoop

Wow, you’re right!!! He’s quite a guy!
I’m glad he’s gotten into the research side of all of this.


44 posted on 11/07/2011 11:47:33 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: MizSterious

I am not saying that Shingles is a rare disease, just that it is less frequently seen, and usually much less severe - IF the exposure to the virus in youth is from a vaccine rather than from an actual bout of chicken pox.

A vaccine “booster” shot, to renew those dying off antibodies against the virus (some 45 years or so after initial exposure), will prevent Shingles via creation of new antibodies against the virus.


45 posted on 11/07/2011 11:49:33 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: BenKenobi

I think it’s wrong for unvaccinated people to put other people at risk, period. It used to be that public schools in some places would not allow a child to attend unless they were up to date on their vaccinations. If people want to keep their unvaccinated kids at home, that’s another thing—but keep them away from people they can harm.


46 posted on 11/07/2011 11:51:36 AM PST by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

>>I think it’s wrong for unvaccinated people to put other people at risk, period.<<

So should vaccinations be mandated by law?


47 posted on 11/07/2011 11:54:04 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: MizSterious

Again, do you believe that the Chicken Pox vaccine should be made mandatory?


48 posted on 11/07/2011 11:54:22 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

In the case of small pox - you find that it “makes no sense to vaccinate perfectly healthy people”?

What sense would there be in vaccinating someone already exposed, pray tell?


49 posted on 11/07/2011 11:54:47 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
What sense would there be in vaccinating someone already exposed, pray tell?

Because then they really won't get it again. 8^)

50 posted on 11/07/2011 11:57:41 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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