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Correcting the 'fairy tale:' a SEAL's account of how Osama bin Laden really died (dastardly)
Daily Caller ^ | 11-7-11 | Vince Coglianese

Posted on 11/07/2011 3:37:27 PM PST by STARWISE

Published: 12:42 AM 11/07/2011 | Updated: 3:28 PM 11/07/2011

Forget whatever you think you know about the night Osama bin Laden was killed. According to a former Navy SEAL who claims to have the inside track, the mangled tales told of that historic night have only now been corrected.

“It became obvious in the weeks evolving after the mission that the story that was getting put out there was not only untrue, but it was a really ugly farce of what did happen,” said Chuck Pfarrer, author of Seal Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden.

In an extensive interview with The Daily Caller, Pfarrer gave a detailed account of why he believes the record needed to be corrected, and why he set out to share the personal stories of the warriors who penetrated bin Laden’s long-secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

Freelancer Nicholas Schmidle wrote that the SEALs had shot and blasted their way up floor-by-floor, finally cornering the bewildered Al-Qaida leader:

“The Al Qaeda chief, who was wearing a tan shalwar kameez and a prayer cap on his head, froze; he was unarmed. ‘There was never any question of detaining or capturing him—it wasn’t a split-second decision. No one wanted detainees,’ the special-operations officer told me. (The Administration maintains that had bin Laden immediately surrendered he could have been taken alive.) Nine years, seven months, and twenty days after September 11th, an American was a trigger pull from ending bin Laden’s life. The first round, a 5.56-mm. bullet, struck bin Laden in the chest. As he fell backward, the SEAL fired a second round into his head, just above his left eye.”

Chuck Pfarrer rejects almost all of that story.

“The version of the 45-minute firefight, and the ground-up assault, and the cold-blooded murder on the third floor — that wasn’t the mission,” Pfarrer told TheDC.

President Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death. That rapid announcement, explained Pfarrer, posed a major threat to U.S. national security.

“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months … even though there was evidence left on the ground there … and use the intelligence and finish off al-Qaida.”

But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”

And in the days that followed, as politicians sought to thrust their identities into the details of the bin Laden kill, the tale began to grow out of control, said Pfarrer.

“The president made a statement, and as far as that goes, that was fine, that was the mission statement,” he explained. “But, soon after … politicians began leaking information from every orifice. And it was like a game of Chinese telephone. These guys didn’t know what they were talking about. Very few of them had even seen the video feed.”

Pfarrer suggests that much of the misinformation was likely born out of operational ignorance, even among those sitting in the White House.

“One of the things that happened was that there were only a handful of people who know about this mission,” he said. “On the civilian side, there were only a handful of people in the situation room who were watching the drone feed. They were looking at the roof of a building taken from a rotating aircraft at 35,000 feet.”

“None of those guys, not a single one of them, had a background in special operations, with the exception of General Webb who was sitting there running a laptop,” Pfarrer went on. “No one knew or could even imagine what was going on inside the building. They didn’t know.”

“There was an alternative feed going to CIA headquarters where Leon Panetta sat there with the communications brevity codes [a guide sheet for the mission's radio lingo] in his lap and a SEAL off-screen by his side to be able to tell him what was going on,” he said. “But these guys, none of them, really knew what they were looking at.”

As the media raised more questions, officials gave more answers.

Whether or not bin Laden resisted ultimately developed into a barrage of murky official and unofficial explanations in the days following. And statements from as high as then-CIA Director Leon Panetta offered confirmation that the endeavor was a “kill mission.”

Pfarrer dismisses that assertion.

“An order to go in and murder someone in their house is not a lawful order,” explained Pfarrer, who maintains that bin Laden would have been captured had he surrendered. “Unlike the Germans in World War II, if you’re a petty officer, a chief petty officer, a naval officer, and you’re giving an order to murder somebody, that’s an unlawful order.”

Read the final section: The CIA trying 'to drive a victory lap'HERE


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 72versions; 90seconds; abbottobad; binladen; navyseals; obama; obama2012; obltermination; osamabinladen; osamabinladendead; pakistan; seals; sealteam6; wot
All for his dang re-election. There's a special place in Hell ...

God bless, protect and hold dear our precious military. None better .. none! My heart aches for what they have to endure in this miserable term ...

1 posted on 11/07/2011 3:37:29 PM PST by STARWISE
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To: 2LT Radix jr; 80 Square Miles; acad1228; AirForceMom; AliVeritas; aomagrat; ariamne; ...

2 posted on 11/07/2011 3:41:26 PM PST by STARWISE ( The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

I read this earlier today and I can’t see any reason not to believe it. Just as a matter of common sense, if you’re going into a multi-story residence at night via helicopter, would you start at the top floor, or at ground level and have to fight your way up?

That Obama lied about this is, as you say, “dastardly”.


3 posted on 11/07/2011 3:41:32 PM PST by bigbob
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To: bigbob

That Obama needed the glory more than the info about Al Qaeda is evil.


4 posted on 11/07/2011 3:47:28 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: bigbob; STARWISE
I'd call the lie Obama told ‘dastardly’ except spell the word with 1st letter earlier in the alphabet.
5 posted on 11/07/2011 3:51:39 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

Any REAL news on who offed the seals? I thought so! Sounds like the vince foster syndrome


6 posted on 11/07/2011 3:54:02 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: STARWISE

Who knows. Granted that slimeball politicians have grabbed onto this and sucked it for all it’s worth, but the assertion that any special operation groups don’t kill or assassinate seems pretty lame to me despite what somebody claims - even if they’re connected. Now, I’m not saying that selected assassination is a bad thing neccessarily, just that denial of it as a legitimate mission objective is pretty hard to buy. Wasn’t that one of the roles MACV SOG performed in Viet Nam?


7 posted on 11/07/2011 3:54:59 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Expiate your inner liberal racist guilt, but use your brain: Vote CAIN in 2012!)
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To: SandRat; All

Couldn’t agree more, Sandy ..it’s beyond repugnant and appalling.

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Excerpt:

But a new book by former SEAL Team Six commander Chuck Pfarrer is turning it on its head again, calling into question critical details thought to be established facts in the terror raid. Pfarrer is no light weight:

a former assault-element commander for the SEALs in the ‘80s, he has been published widely on counter-terrorism and special operations and his book is the first account to boast interviews with SEALs who actually participated in the raid.

Advance copies of the book SEAL Target Geronimo have been provided to The Telegraph, New York Post, The Daily Caller and The Daily Beast and each publication is publishing different revelations about the raid.

http://news.yahoo.com/six-biggest-discrepancies-accounts-bin-laden-raid-174908464.html

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Bio

Charles Patrick “Chuck” Pfarrer, III is an American novelist, non-fiction writer, screenwriter, and former U.S. Navy SEAL. Pfarrer went through Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training (BUD/S) in 1981 and spent 8 years as a Navy SEAL.

Chuck Pfarrer author photoHe served as a military advisor in Central America, trained NATO forces in Europe and the Mediterranean, undertook duties in the Middle East, notably in Lebanon during the Lebanese Civil War.

As executive officer of the SEAL Team assigned to the Multi-National Peacekeeping Force, he witnessed the 1983 Marine barracks bombing in Beirut.

Pfarrer was one of the SEAL Team leaders responsible for the apprehension of Abu Abbas and the hijackers of the cruise ship Achille Lauro. Pfarrer ended his service as Assault Element Commander at the United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU), formerly known as SEAL Team 6.

After leaving the military, Pfarrer embarked on a career as a Hollywood screenwriter. His film credits include writing, acting and production work in Navy SEALs, Darkman, and Hard Target.

Pfarrer was the screenwriter on The Jackal. His spec screenplays for Virus and Red Planet were also made into movies. He is an uncredited writer on the films Arlington Road, Second Nature, Sudden Impact and Green Hornet. Pfarrer was active in the 2004 effort to recall Writer’s Guild of America president Charles Holland, who had claimed, wrongly, to be a wounded combat veteran, intelligence officer and Green Beret. Holland eventually resigned under fire.

Pfarrer’s best-selling autobiography, Warrior Soul, The Memoir of a Navy SEAL, was published by Random House in 2004. His debut novel, Killing Che, was published by Random House in 2007.

He is the author/creator of six graphic novels for Dark Horse Comics, and wrote and produced two interactive full motion videos, Flash Traffic and Silent Steel, both for Tsunami Media.

From an early age, it was clear Chuck’s interest in marine life and the sea would lead him to the Navy.

Pfarrer has written broadly on terrorism and counter-terrorism, and serves government and industry as a subject matter expert on special operations, terrorist operational methodology, counter-proliferation and terrorist employment of weapons of mass destruction.

He has written Op Ed for the New York Times and the Knight Ridder syndicate, appeared as an author and counter-terrorism expert on CSPAN-2, NPR, the Arabic network Al Hurra, Voice of America, Fox News and ABC, America Tonight and The Australian Broadcast Company.

Pfarrer serves presently an Associate Editor of “The Counterterrorist”, a journal of international security, special operations, counter insurgency and counterterrorism.

Pfarrer is the son of Charles Patrick Pfarrer, Jr., a career naval officer, and Joan Marie (née Hoyle) Pfarrer, a registered nurse. Born in Boston, Pfarrer considers Biloxi, Mississippi to now be his hometown. The Pfarrers share with many other old Biloxi families the distinction of losing homes in both Hurricane Camille (1969) and Hurricane Katrina (2005).

Pfarrer is a graduate of the Staunton Military Academy, and studied Clinical Psychology at California State University at Northridge and the University of Bath in the United Kingdom.

http://chuckpfarrer.com/about/meet-chuck-pfarrer/

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SEAL target Geronimo

http://chuckpfarrer.com/books/seal-target-geronimo/


8 posted on 11/07/2011 3:58:04 PM PST by STARWISE ( The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE
Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”

That POS and every rat traitorous pol needs to thrown out and investigations started. Come on 2012 and I hope are not too late.

9 posted on 11/07/2011 3:58:14 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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10 posted on 11/07/2011 3:59:28 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: ronnie raygun
A Mob Hit by the Chicago Community Organizer?
11 posted on 11/07/2011 4:02:27 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: STARWISE

“But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything.”

I saw two Saudis in a parking lot next to a DrugMart over the weekend. Robes, scarves and everything. Males.

This in the middle of no place special in flyover country.


12 posted on 11/07/2011 4:04:22 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

Did you observe them doing anything unusual?
No notable musslim population there?


13 posted on 11/07/2011 4:12:41 PM PST by STARWISE ( The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE
Before my father died, I promised him that I would stop taking the LORD'S name in vain ever... and I have up until this day... and I will never do it again... but if I were to... this would be the time I would do it and I would do it to condemn obama to hell.

LLS

14 posted on 11/07/2011 4:15:07 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: STARWISE

Finally! A breath of fresh air aka as the truth! Thanks!


15 posted on 11/07/2011 4:15:12 PM PST by LUV W (This tagline reserved for a hero.......)
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To: STARWISE

Just talking. One guy was walking around toward the back of the strip mall and turned around.

The older, 30ish man, spoke to another man in a car. Next thing I knew, the Saudi was driving the car.

Haven’t ever seen a Saudi in these parts. Red checkered scarf, white robe, black whatever it is to hold the scarf in place.

I once saw a Saudi princess with bodyguards...in Hawaii.

This was a whole ‘nuther thing.


16 posted on 11/07/2011 4:20:04 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

I, too, would instantly be alerted .. and
very, very watchful from a distance, maybe
get their license tag. I’m a sleuth in my
fantasy life .. LOL.


17 posted on 11/07/2011 4:25:09 PM PST by STARWISE ( The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

***President Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death.****

This reminded me of the Disney movie DRAGONSLAYER. After the dragon is killed by others, the king comes out of hiding, sticks the point of his big sword against the dragon while his adviser says...”All hail Cassiadorus Rex! DRAGONSLAYER!”


18 posted on 11/07/2011 4:38:04 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: STARWISE
The CIA trying 'to drive a victory lap'

One of the things that I think we are learning through a number of such revelations is that any good that came out of Iraq, Afghanistan and the effort against Al Qaeda seems to have been largely at the hands of well trained combat professionals and well-trained FBI investigators coupled with intelligence provided by the NSA. THese are all competent, trained, technically up to date outfits.

Unfortunately for every three steps forward we have taken two back because the neo-cons put their faith in the CIA and their so-called black-ops contractors. The more we learn, the more incompetent they appear. Obviously there are competent CIA officers, but somewhere between the political maneuverings of liberals, and the political maneuverings of the neo-cons, it would appear that those who are on top in the CIA are the bunglers and professional suckups, rather than those who work hard developing skills over a life-time and using them for the interests of the country. In other words, instead of looking different from what we expect from our government agencies, say like the SEALS, the CIA seems to behave more like every other incomptent, compromised, neutered politicized agency in the US government. PS for those of you who think Obama is worse than the neo-con RINOs in this regard, DOE loan guarantees - AND SOLYNDRA - actually got their start at the end of the Bush administration. [Things are really bad when RINO political payoffs and dim political payoffs at the taxpayers expense are indistinguishable.]

I am not sure who in the end will have been worse, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Obama, or their political pawns and patsies. At the end of the day none of them seemed to have understood the difference between what skilled professionals do and what those whose motives are political will do.

19 posted on 11/07/2011 4:40:17 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: STARWISE

Starwise, you are a treasure.


20 posted on 11/07/2011 4:43:21 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: STARWISE

bflr


21 posted on 11/07/2011 4:45:37 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: STARWISE; doug from upland; Nachum; Cindy; G8 Diplomat; AdmSmith; Dog; nuconvert; ...
“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months"

Well, for all of his "inside" information, Pfarrer is obviously wrong here. The crash and subsequent explosive degrading of “Razor 2″ less than a mile from Pakistan's "West Point" blew the mission cover.

Here's my personal experience:

I saw the first FR post on the raid that claimed a former Rumsfeld had gone to the media claiming UBL had been killed a week earlier, nothing about a helo crash. I immediately went to my email to ask a PakMil contact what they knew. But there in my inbox was an email from that contact asking what I knew about a helo crash and degrade and he gave me the coordinates and event time.

Seeing that the event time was only about six hours earlier, I emailed another PakMil contact to see why there was a Pak helo scramble when Pak helos rarely ever fly at night (thinking the Pak's were on a raid). They told me there was no scramble, no jets, no helos, no raid, nothing from the Pak's.

That's when I realized it had to be a SEAL raid, no other operators could pull that off. I then started a new FR post citing a Pak media post about the helo crash and degrade and linking it to a supposed UBL raid by us not in Abbotabad, but in the mountains to the east, that was our military's original cover story. I stated that the original FR post was right and wrong, UBL was targeted, but not a week earlier, only six hours earlier. I posted the location of the crash in Abbotabad and Abotabad media links.

The FR mods pulled my post claiming that it was a duplicate and thus blew FR's shot at the biggest news scoop ever. The only thing I could do was start throwing comments into the original story, which I did.

Eventually other FR posters put up articles substantiating my pulled post. This is all in FR's database and in my user posting archives.

Regarding the rest of Pfarrer's story:

“An order to go in and murder someone in their house is not a lawful order,” explained Pfarrer.

Excuse me Mr. Pfarrer killing the enemy is most certainly a lawful order, armed or not.

Pfarrer bills the story as “absolutely factual.” He told TheDC that in order to protect American interests, his book is “full of names that are made up, and it is full of bases that are not quite where they really should be.” “But the timeline of my events,” he cautions, “and the manner in which it happened is 100 percent accurate. And they’ll know that.”

Pfarrer is correct in that there was a roof top assault but flat wrong on "Razor 2" tactical tasks. It always was intended to land in the courtyard and conduct a ground assault. It did crash and a backup helo was brought in joining Razor 1 in extracting the operators, including CIA that were in the mission. Contrary to what Pfarrer is saying.

That is common sense, that you would have CIA along as actionable intel ages within minutes and CIA operators and analysts are a critical link to potentially finding targets for drone strikes within hours of the raid.

22 posted on 11/07/2011 5:49:16 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: AndyJackson

Stuff it Andy, your skirt is up. ‘Neo-con”? Give me a break and stop with the liberal code words.....!


23 posted on 11/07/2011 5:52:42 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: BatGuano
WTF are you talking about? Seriously. Your cranial cavity seems filled with your eponymous effusions.
24 posted on 11/07/2011 6:04:02 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: STARWISE
Thanks for ping and thread.

But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”

Nuf said right there.

And...amen:

God bless, protect and hold dear our precious military. None better .. none! My heart aches for what they have to endure in this miserable term ...

25 posted on 11/07/2011 6:18:09 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: gandalftb

Thanks gandalftb!


26 posted on 11/07/2011 6:41:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: AndyJackson

Three steps forward and two steps back still amounts to one step forward to me!

I’ll take any kind of success I can get.


27 posted on 11/07/2011 6:43:10 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Hang in there Herman, conservatives love you!)
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To: gandalftb

Maybe he was killed on this mission, maybe he wasn’t. Maybe, we were going after something else (nukes?) or person when we lost a helicopter deep in Paki territory and a cover had to be fabricated.

It is strange that Obi was on the golf course when all this was happening, if it were really Osama.

I guess I just don’t trust our government any more.


28 posted on 11/07/2011 7:01:43 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: Randy Larsen

Ok, but these things are bankrupting the country one mistep at a time. As we learn time after time after time, there is no shortcut to trained professionals [who, redunantly, know what they are doing and are allowed to do it].


29 posted on 11/07/2011 7:10:01 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: gandalftb

Interesting.


30 posted on 11/07/2011 7:54:27 PM PST by bigheadfred (wogga wogga)
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To: STARWISE

BTTT


31 posted on 11/08/2011 2:51:40 AM PST by E.G.C. (Edward's Soft Rock Playlist: On Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/my_playlists?p=A7A56731DE671E6A)
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To: BatGuano
‘Neo-con”? Give me a break and stop with the liberal code words.....!

You do know that neo-con is what the neo-cons called themselves, right?

32 posted on 11/08/2011 5:53:16 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: gandalftb; STARWISE

anti-AQ bump


33 posted on 11/08/2011 6:33:21 PM PST by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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