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Joe Paterno’s Fall
The Daily Beast ^ | Nov 8, 2011 | Michael Tomasky

Posted on 11/07/2011 5:01:07 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

Sandusky (left, in a 1999 photo) is charged with sexual abuse of eight boys

Could it be that on some deep and horrible psychological level, it was precisely the fact of Joe Paterno’s moral authority—and God, did he have it, not only as much as anyone in college football, but as much as any prominent person in America in any field—that enabled this revolting daisy chain of denial to exist at Penn State? Because, after all, he was a great man. A great moral man. Great moral men don’t hire depraved monsters. Great moral men don’t let things like this happen in their orbit. Great moral men take care of these things. But he didn’t. This kind of thing could have happened at any university. But it could have happened the exact way it did only at Penn State, where everyone, from that cowed janitor to the president, takes his cues from Coach.

Let us first be blunt about the facts at hand, because some media outlets resort to the kind of euphemism that appallingly softens the blow of what Jerry Sandusky is alleged to have done to “Victim 2,” as he is called in the grand-jury report Forgive my language, but here at the Beast we are permitted these very occasional lapses, so let me say it plainly, the better to ensure that we all understand just how shocking and sickening this is: On the evening of March 1, 2002, Sandusky, it is alleged, was raping a 10-year-old boy in his anus. A 10-year-old boy. In the very showers used by the Nittany Lions players.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: coach; homosexualagenda; jerrysandusky; joepaterno; moralabsolutes; pederast; pederastagenda; pederasty; pedophile; pedstate; pennstate; pennsylvania; psu; sandusky; scandals
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1 posted on 11/07/2011 5:01:10 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’ve never had any use for Paterno. He had an interview years ago where he said that his football program built character in the players.

I’ve always wondered what he’d think of one of his players trapping a catch on the field and, knowing that it was incomplete, accepting a referee’s decision that it was complete.

That, in and of itself, is morally wrong. But not to JoPa . . . Now, we all know that that player’s team mates would kick his butt for his honesty, but, to knowingly accept an incomplete pass as complete to me is horse-hockey . . . especially if you’re being taught “character” as JoPa put it.

So, nothing would surprise me with this empty suit if he gets in trouble for being involved with the coverup of this pervert. Sorry, but at his shrine, I do not worship!


2 posted on 11/07/2011 5:09:18 PM PST by laweeks
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To: MinorityRepublican

I hate it because Bowen got shit canned also..


3 posted on 11/07/2011 5:10:03 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: MinorityRepublican

Like I said in another thread: If someone comes to me and says they saw something “inappropriate” in the shower’s (with a kid) with my assistant coach, don’t ya’ think I would pry for more detail as to what took place?

JoePa is lying through his teeth.


4 posted on 11/07/2011 5:16:26 PM PST by mmanager
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


5 posted on 11/07/2011 5:21:13 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: mmanager
JoePa is lying through his teeth.

His statement was probably written by his lawyer.

6 posted on 11/07/2011 5:22:26 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: MinorityRepublican

Pedophiles are sneaky.. else they wouldn’t last long..
Groups of pedophiles are sneaky and “connected”...

I say “waterboard” Sandusky.. because there may be and probably are others..
At the least he should lie detected and de-briefed for info..
Possibly pedophilia is worse then “treason”...


7 posted on 11/07/2011 5:23:00 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: little jeremiah; wagglebee

The Penn State Pedophile Saga continues...


8 posted on 11/07/2011 5:23:31 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Moral reprobates, every damn one of them that enabled this child molesting deviant.


9 posted on 11/07/2011 5:26:24 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: MrEdd
“Pedophile U, the new and improved Penn state.” New team logo
10 posted on 11/07/2011 5:27:52 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

This article is very badly written and hard to read.


11 posted on 11/07/2011 5:28:32 PM PST by FoxPro
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To: mmanager
If a guy comes to me and says he saw something in the showers you think one would not press the issue? JoePa is lying. This makes me sick.

+1. We're in agreement in the other thread.
12 posted on 11/07/2011 5:28:58 PM PST by rockvillem
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To: hosepipe
Pedophiles are sneaky..

Sandusky wasn't sneaky. He was seen various times in Paterno's showers with young boys.

13 posted on 11/07/2011 5:30:11 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: MinorityRepublican

If you have any doubt, read the indictment to see how Sandusky groomed these boys just like all pedophiles do. People testified that Paterno knew the truth and from what I’ve read, he is also guilty of failing to act.

By being too stubborn to retire, he’s probably going to end up being the sacrificial one, saving higher-ups at Penn State from further culpability.


14 posted on 11/07/2011 5:37:30 PM PST by bigbob
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To: MinorityRepublican
It's still Linebacker U!

Personally, I think Paterno is selfish and power-mad. He should retire.

16 posted on 11/07/2011 5:40:20 PM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: bigbob

I think the AD is already gone.


17 posted on 11/07/2011 5:40:44 PM PST by EEGator
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To: laweeks
Now, we all know that that player’s team mates would kick his butt for his honesty, but, to knowingly accept an incomplete pass as complete to me is horse-hockey . . .

You're a moron.

18 posted on 11/07/2011 5:42:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: EEGator
I think the AD is already gone.

He requested administrative leave.

19 posted on 11/07/2011 5:48:45 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Lancey Howard

Of course. We all know that cheating is part of the game.


20 posted on 11/07/2011 5:50:06 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

Sort of a limbo state while things come to light?


21 posted on 11/07/2011 5:55:29 PM PST by EEGator
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To: jwalsh07

Exactly. Then there is the curious disappearance of the man, Crigar, who was investigating Sandusky in 2002. Mafia ties helping out Joe Pa perhaps? This whole thing gets more disgusting by the minute. Rampant corruption and evil.


22 posted on 11/07/2011 6:04:48 PM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: NewinTexsas

After reading the GJ report I want to vomit.

1. Penn State MUST clean house:

The President on down to the Mike McQueery. That includes Joe Paterno and any and everyone else who allowed this monster on campus. Mike McQueery saw a 10 year old boy being raped in the ass and walked away. HE WALKED AWAY! Flush the entire turf filled toilet.

2. Men and Boys should not shower together.

I am one of four boys and the father of three sons. I never showered with my father and never showered with my sons. If you see a grown man and a young child in a shower together INTERVENE! It can’t be right.

3. Pedophiles are shameless, dangerous, and relentless.

At this moment, free on bail, Jerry Sandusky is plotting, planning, and fantasizing about raping a young boy. THAT IS WHAT PEDOPHILES DO! They will never stop unless forced to stop. In his warped mind, Sandusky believes he will be able to talk his way out of this.

Seeing him be interviewed outside his home was surreal. Standing there in a PENN STATE jacket “lawyering up” when asked: “Are you guilty of these charges?”. Instead of NO!!!!!!!, he answers, my lawyer told me I can’t answer questions.

GUILTY!, GUILTY!, GUILTY!,


23 posted on 11/07/2011 6:08:53 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: LeonardFMason

They should reopen this case:

http://www.wnep.com/wnep-da-gricar-declared-dead-20110725,0,1024285.story


24 posted on 11/07/2011 6:14:02 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: LeonardFMason

I could not of said it better.


25 posted on 11/07/2011 6:21:46 PM PST by gusty
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To: NewinTexsas

his son is his lawyer...


26 posted on 11/07/2011 6:24:33 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: LeonardFMason
I am one of four boys and the father of three sons. I never showered with my father and never showered with my sons. If you see a grown man and a young child in a shower together INTERVENE! It can’t be right.

I use to belong to a health club (racquetball, weights, basketball, swimming pool,etc) and there were male members who brought their sons into the men's locker room and shower. They would come into the shower with their sons. So what were we, the other men supposed to do? I never though much about it because there were so many others around that anything unusual would have never been possible. So I'm not completely sure about what you say. But in general I tend to agree with you. Have you seen the same at a health club?
27 posted on 11/07/2011 6:29:35 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: LeonardFMason

Excellent!


28 posted on 11/07/2011 6:29:52 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Being an alumni, I’ve disowned PSU ever since they covered up for the Michael Mann scandal. The entire administration has been corrupted.


29 posted on 11/07/2011 6:31:34 PM PST by chopperman
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To: chopperman

“The entire administration has been corrupted.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/08/sports/ncaafootball/penn-states-paterno-is-not-a-target-in-sexual-abuse-inquiry.html


30 posted on 11/07/2011 6:33:51 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: hosepipe

The guy is not a pedophile, he is a predatory queer!


31 posted on 11/07/2011 6:38:54 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: LeonardFMason

You know, when I first heard about this I figured “grad student” Mike McQueery was a young guy, maybe 22 (which is bad enough) but today I heard that he was 28 at the time. 28! To hell with calling the cops or his Dad or Paterno or anybody else - - first thing, step into that shower and slap Sandusky’s old skull until he pulls out, like hosing off a dog in heat in the back yard. Then, make him stay there until the cops arrive.

No pass for McQueery on this, that’s for sure.

And homo hugger Spanier - - how did he escape indictment (so far)?


32 posted on 11/07/2011 6:42:36 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: LeonardFMason

I agree with you - the other night I posted about this wondering why the grad student didn’t immediately stop the old perv from harming the child! Why didn’t he call the police? Why did his own father tell him not to call the police? Then once Paterno told his boss, why didn’t he follow up? The whole thing stinks


33 posted on 11/07/2011 6:43:22 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Lancey Howard
Now, we all know that that player’s team mates would kick his butt for his honesty, but, to knowingly accept an incomplete pass as complete to me is horse-hockey . . .

You're a moron.

No need to talk like a moron or to call people names. I think this whole "athletics builds character" crap is very highly overrated.

I acknowledge that the football player should take advantage of what he gets, but, on the other hand don't have JoPa or any other asshat coach tell me that sports builds character. I think they'd do far better learning in the classroom rather than preening and prancing on a football field.

I suspect that if the college sports didn't cater to some of these clowns and if the NFL didn't employ these crybabies as players, most of them would be in prison. Is the implication that if you're NOT an athlete, you're going to be a moral cripple?

You're a little bit hasty to call people names.

34 posted on 11/07/2011 6:44:30 PM PST by laweeks
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To: RetiredTexasVet
The guy is not a pedophile, he is a predatory queer!

Isn't it curious how all the stories decline to use the phrase "homosexual pedophile"? All of the homosexual pedophile Sandusky's victims were boys. You would think the headlines would blare, PREDATORY HOMOSEXUAL PEDOPHILE ARRESTED AT PENN STATE. In fact, maybe I'll start a thread so freepers cans bump the title.

35 posted on 11/07/2011 6:48:27 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: MinorityRepublican; All
It's time to boycott the Big 10 network; Big 10 games.

The Big 10 has openly sanctioned/harbored the pedophile culture for over 50 years...in fact, has enshrined the top pedophile facilitators.

How Alfred C. Kinsey’s Sex Studies Have Harmed Women and Children [Big 10 harbors perp culture]

Frankly what's needed is the same approach Stanford University took in the 70s when its A.D. refused to schedule any athletic matches vs. BYU because of BYU's harboring of racist policies.

We need bold courageous moral A.D.s who will stop scheduling their teams to play Penn State and Indiana University because of their open sanctioning of the pedophile culture.

36 posted on 11/07/2011 6:48:44 PM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: laweeks

I completely agree with you. Paterno should have been put out to pasture years ago. The local news stations are blowing this up here in western PA where the University of Pittsburgh is the school of choice. Years of coverup extending right to the PSU president, Graham Spanier. They all should be fired, starting with Paterno.


37 posted on 11/07/2011 6:50:53 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: Lancey Howard

Mike McQueary coaching from the sideline

38 posted on 11/07/2011 6:53:17 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: FoxPro
This article is very badly written and hard to read.

Then just start about page 6 of the Grand Jury Presentment. It's double-spaced, and by page 10 . . . you'll be outraged.

39 posted on 11/07/2011 6:55:33 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: mmanager

omigosh, I always thought Paterno was one of the good guys.

I really hope he knew nothing about this.

But I’m afraid his reputation is tarnished forever now.

I’m more worried about the boys than about the reputation of a football coach or program.


40 posted on 11/07/2011 6:55:48 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: laweeks

Sports does help build character. A good organization and a good bunch of adult coaches can have a lasting positive impact on kids. You sound downright hostile. Are you a clumsy oaf who doesn’t know what hand you throw with? Picked last when the kids were “choosing sides”? Your example of a football player being rewarded a compelete pass (by a referee) when the ball may actually have hit the turf was lame. For one thing, that kind of refereeing mistake is fairly rare, and for another thing video replay officiating has been in effect for years now and those mistakes are corrected.

I agree that these days sports at the college level is little more than big business, but Paterno has been coaching since the 1950s, and things were a lot more idealistic back then. Pro sports has nothing at all to do with “building character. But please don’t sell short the value of sports for youngsters.

FRegards,
LH


41 posted on 11/07/2011 7:01:06 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Colofornian
Frankly what's needed is the same approach Stanford University took in the 70s when its A.D. refused to schedule any athletic matches vs. BYU because of BYU's harboring of racist policies.

I'd like to know more about this. Stanford is about as PC as it gets (forced to change their name from Indians to Cardinal) today. This is even when most Indians didn't think that having a nickname (mascot) of Indian was bad as long as the icon depiction was in a dignified and regal manner. Stanford was stupid and completely wrong in my opinion. So I'd be curious to know exactly what the then AD thought was so bad at BYU. There's a lot more integrity at BYU than Stanford so I'd like to know more. Just what were these racist policies you are refering to?
42 posted on 11/07/2011 7:07:44 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Lancey Howard

All Penn State Alumni need to close their checkbooks, purses, and wallets and keep them closed until every last person involved is gone.

This same Alumni must also pressure any independent sources of contributions to PSU.

When the money dries up, heads will roll.


43 posted on 11/07/2011 7:16:19 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: truthguy
Stanford is about as PC as it gets (forced to change their name from Indians to Cardinal) today. This is even when most Indians didn't think that having a nickname (mascot) of Indian was bad as long as the icon depiction was in a dignified and regal manner. Stanford was stupid and completely wrong in my opinion.

Yes, I agree with you. In fact, I posted a thread from the Stanford Daily over 7 years ago: Band's Mormon-Mocking Halftime Show Leads to Apologies, Sanctions

My first comment on that thread then was: This was hypocritical for Stanford. Here we have a university that changed its nickname from the Indians to the Cardinals all under the banner of tolerance and "political correctness." Then, when it comes to other minority groups of the historic West, tolerance and PCness is tossed out the window. The liberals should be consistent; but rarely are.

The issue of that 2004 thread was (from article @ above link): Stanford Athletic Director Ted Leland publicly apologized and the Stanford Band agreed to impose sanctions on itself after it performed a halftime show that mocked Mormonism at a home football game against Brigham Young University on Sept. 11.

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I'd be curious to know exactly what the then AD thought was so bad at BYU. There's a lot more integrity at BYU than Stanford so I'd like to know more. Just what were these racist policies you are refering to?

Until 1978, the Mormon church would not allow blacks...
(a) to be part of their priesthood;
(b) to be married in their temples

In effect, then, the Mormon church proclaimed that blacks could NEVER live forever in the presence of Heavenly Father -- as they reserve that privilege only for those with a temple recommend.

Now, how did Stanford get involved? Well, due to Wyoming 14 black players getting kicked off of the team merely because they expressed an interest in wearing black armbands in their game vs. BYU...well, you can read a story from BYU's own newspaper here: Anniversary of protest against BYU

That then spilled over into the aftermath below:

Per the BYU article: The Wyoming incident pushed an already scrutinized LDS church and BYU athletic department into the forefront of the national civil rights movement. Within days, Mormons and BYU were under fire, according to an AP article printed Nov. 3, 1969, in The Daily Universe. Stanford University publicly announced that it would no longer schedule any athletic competitions or have any academic relations with BYU. Church officials made no formal comments on the matter at the time, but BYU did address the situation...Many of the student body of 1969 were affected by the attacks of racism made against the LDS church and BYU.

44 posted on 11/07/2011 7:31:26 PM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: LeonardFMason

My checkbook has been closed to Penn State for decades, from the moment I found out Spanier was a homo hugger who supported and enjoyed all manner of obscene “gay pride” festivities on campus and gladly caved to anything the homos wanted. Anyway, I just threw away my Penn State Rose Bowl hoodie from the ‘90s.

Can you imagine the horror of graduating seniors who will soon have to put “Penn State” on their resumes?

/facepalm


45 posted on 11/07/2011 7:41:32 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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Pinging to another article about these infinitely worse than animals who should all be executed. Hosepipe said and I agree with him:

Pedophiles are sneaky.. else they wouldn’t last long.. Groups of pedophiles are sneaky and “connected”...

I say “waterboard” Sandusky.. because there may be and probably are others.. At the least he should lie detected and de-briefed for info.. Possibly pedophilia is worse then “treason”...

46 posted on 11/07/2011 7:50:00 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: altura
I really hope he knew nothing about this.

He knew. He knew in 1998. That is why Sandusky resigned in 1999.

47 posted on 11/07/2011 7:52:35 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: MinorityRepublican
Joe Paterno's actions here defy logic. If someone came to me and claimed that "Something inappropriate" between an adult male and juvenile male had occurred in my offices, I would not rest until all questions were answered and the report resolved.

I don't think there will be much left of the Penn State program when all is said and done. Child anal rape is not something many people will dismiss.

48 posted on 11/07/2011 7:54:46 PM PST by Ghengis
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To: MinorityRepublican

I know I’m stepping into it here, but in large institutions there are policies that govern what to do; who to tell and when to tell about any situation involving inappropriate sexual behavior by a staff member. Those policies usually define “moral turpitude”. It sounds to me as though McQueery and Paterno followed the letter of the policy. Each reported what they knew to their immediate superiors. McQueery told Paterno and Paterno told the President of Penn State. Paterno could only report what he heard - second hand information. Once an employee makes a report under the policy, the employee is bound to say nothing and is forbidden to undertake any investigation unless directed to do so by his / her boss. The state of Pennsylvania has cleared Paterno - he is not a suspect or a subject of any investigation. Where the chain of care fell apart was with the AD office and the President. If there was any effort to cover up or hide anything, the responsibility seems to rest there. I’ve had to initiate two “moral turpitude” investigations - both based on second hand information. One turned out one way; the other turned out the exact opposite. In both situations the last conversation I had about the incidents was with my boss who gave me verbal and written orders to say nothing to anyone and to discuss the situations with no one unless requested to do so by law enforcement. Those orders limited me but they also protected me, especially in the situations where the employee was cleard of all charges because had I blabbered about it an innocent person’s reputation would have been ruined and I would have been sued into poverty. In turpitude cases all information flows uphill, never downhill, so for all Paterno knew the administration had investigated and responded appropriately. Paterno likely received no formal feedback on the outcome. That’s how it works. What happened is horrible - no argument there. There’s some evidence in news stories that Paterno was suspicious about Sandusky’s foundation and the amount of time he spent there - to the point of giving Sandusky and ultimatum to coach or go run the foundation.


49 posted on 11/07/2011 8:31:50 PM PST by Repulican Donkey
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To: Repulican Donkey

Well said. In a lot of large companies you even report it to third party and they pass the info to the appropriate internal investigators.


50 posted on 11/07/2011 8:36:04 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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