Posted on 11/07/2011 5:01:07 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
Sandusky (left, in a 1999 photo) is charged with sexual abuse of eight boys
Could it be that on some deep and horrible psychological level, it was precisely the fact of Joe Paterno’s moral authority—and God, did he have it, not only as much as anyone in college football, but as much as any prominent person in America in any field—that enabled this revolting daisy chain of denial to exist at Penn State? Because, after all, he was a great man. A great moral man. Great moral men don’t hire depraved monsters. Great moral men don’t let things like this happen in their orbit. Great moral men take care of these things. But he didn’t. This kind of thing could have happened at any university. But it could have happened the exact way it did only at Penn State, where everyone, from that cowed janitor to the president, takes his cues from Coach.
Let us first be blunt about the facts at hand, because some media outlets resort to the kind of euphemism that appallingly softens the blow of what Jerry Sandusky is alleged to have done to “Victim 2,” as he is called in the grand-jury report Forgive my language, but here at the Beast we are permitted these very occasional lapses, so let me say it plainly, the better to ensure that we all understand just how shocking and sickening this is: On the evening of March 1, 2002, Sandusky, it is alleged, was raping a 10-year-old boy in his anus. A 10-year-old boy. In the very showers used by the Nittany Lions players.
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Sports does help build character. A good organization and a good bunch of adult coaches can have a lasting positive impact on kids. You sound downright hostile. Are you a clumsy oaf who doesn’t know what hand you throw with? Picked last when the kids were “choosing sides”? Your example of a football player being rewarded a compelete pass (by a referee) when the ball may actually have hit the turf was lame. For one thing, that kind of refereeing mistake is fairly rare, and for another thing video replay officiating has been in effect for years now and those mistakes are corrected.
I agree that these days sports at the college level is little more than big business, but Paterno has been coaching since the 1950s, and things were a lot more idealistic back then. Pro sports has nothing at all to do with “building character. But please don’t sell short the value of sports for youngsters.
FRegards,
LH
All Penn State Alumni need to close their checkbooks, purses, and wallets and keep them closed until every last person involved is gone.
This same Alumni must also pressure any independent sources of contributions to PSU.
When the money dries up, heads will roll.
Yes, I agree with you. In fact, I posted a thread from the Stanford Daily over 7 years ago: Band's Mormon-Mocking Halftime Show Leads to Apologies, Sanctions
My first comment on that thread then was: This was hypocritical for Stanford. Here we have a university that changed its nickname from the Indians to the Cardinals all under the banner of tolerance and "political correctness." Then, when it comes to other minority groups of the historic West, tolerance and PCness is tossed out the window. The liberals should be consistent; but rarely are.
The issue of that 2004 thread was (from article @ above link): Stanford Athletic Director Ted Leland publicly apologized and the Stanford Band agreed to impose sanctions on itself after it performed a halftime show that mocked Mormonism at a home football game against Brigham Young University on Sept. 11.
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I'd be curious to know exactly what the then AD thought was so bad at BYU. There's a lot more integrity at BYU than Stanford so I'd like to know more. Just what were these racist policies you are refering to?
Until 1978, the Mormon church would not allow blacks...
(a) to be part of their priesthood;
(b) to be married in their temples
In effect, then, the Mormon church proclaimed that blacks could NEVER live forever in the presence of Heavenly Father -- as they reserve that privilege only for those with a temple recommend.
Now, how did Stanford get involved? Well, due to Wyoming 14 black players getting kicked off of the team merely because they expressed an interest in wearing black armbands in their game vs. BYU...well, you can read a story from BYU's own newspaper here: Anniversary of protest against BYU
That then spilled over into the aftermath below:
Per the BYU article: The Wyoming incident pushed an already scrutinized LDS church and BYU athletic department into the forefront of the national civil rights movement. Within days, Mormons and BYU were under fire, according to an AP article printed Nov. 3, 1969, in The Daily Universe. Stanford University publicly announced that it would no longer schedule any athletic competitions or have any academic relations with BYU. Church officials made no formal comments on the matter at the time, but BYU did address the situation...Many of the student body of 1969 were affected by the attacks of racism made against the LDS church and BYU.
My checkbook has been closed to Penn State for decades, from the moment I found out Spanier was a homo hugger who supported and enjoyed all manner of obscene “gay pride” festivities on campus and gladly caved to anything the homos wanted. Anyway, I just threw away my Penn State Rose Bowl hoodie from the ‘90s.
Can you imagine the horror of graduating seniors who will soon have to put “Penn State” on their resumes?
/facepalm
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Pinging to another article about these infinitely worse than animals who should all be executed. Hosepipe said and I agree with him:
Pedophiles are sneaky.. else they wouldn’t last long.. Groups of pedophiles are sneaky and “connected”...
I say “waterboard” Sandusky.. because there may be and probably are others.. At the least he should lie detected and de-briefed for info.. Possibly pedophilia is worse then “treason”...
He knew. He knew in 1998. That is why Sandusky resigned in 1999.
I don't think there will be much left of the Penn State program when all is said and done. Child anal rape is not something many people will dismiss.
I know I’m stepping into it here, but in large institutions there are policies that govern what to do; who to tell and when to tell about any situation involving inappropriate sexual behavior by a staff member. Those policies usually define “moral turpitude”. It sounds to me as though McQueery and Paterno followed the letter of the policy. Each reported what they knew to their immediate superiors. McQueery told Paterno and Paterno told the President of Penn State. Paterno could only report what he heard - second hand information. Once an employee makes a report under the policy, the employee is bound to say nothing and is forbidden to undertake any investigation unless directed to do so by his / her boss. The state of Pennsylvania has cleared Paterno - he is not a suspect or a subject of any investigation. Where the chain of care fell apart was with the AD office and the President. If there was any effort to cover up or hide anything, the responsibility seems to rest there. I’ve had to initiate two “moral turpitude” investigations - both based on second hand information. One turned out one way; the other turned out the exact opposite. In both situations the last conversation I had about the incidents was with my boss who gave me verbal and written orders to say nothing to anyone and to discuss the situations with no one unless requested to do so by law enforcement. Those orders limited me but they also protected me, especially in the situations where the employee was cleard of all charges because had I blabbered about it an innocent person’s reputation would have been ruined and I would have been sued into poverty. In turpitude cases all information flows uphill, never downhill, so for all Paterno knew the administration had investigated and responded appropriately. Paterno likely received no formal feedback on the outcome. That’s how it works. What happened is horrible - no argument there. There’s some evidence in news stories that Paterno was suspicious about Sandusky’s foundation and the amount of time he spent there - to the point of giving Sandusky and ultimatum to coach or go run the foundation.
Well said. In a lot of large companies you even report it to third party and they pass the info to the appropriate internal investigators.
I would lay money down that this guy has no kids at the time, nor did he have younger siblings.
Seeing that type of thing makes a parent see red. This man only thought about his own ass...
And I bet there was talk of going along to get along....or “ you will never work in college football again.”
You know what....he won’t.
Excellent post.
I maintain, however, that McQueery needed to do something on the spot.
I wasn’t there so I don’t know what he witnessed. Did he see anything? Did he hear things? For all I know he walked in to see Sandusky and a little kid in a shower and the BS started from Sandusky right away. He was a grad assistant - the smallest minnow in the food chain. He deserves credit for not buying the BS and going to the coach. In 2011, as an adult, McQ might just as well beat the crap out of the perv on the spot as well. None of us knows enough to condemn abyone but Sandusky and the two admins who were charged yesterday.
He witnessed -- as in, saw with his own eyes-- Sandusky subjecting a ten-year-old to anal rape.
And he did nothing.
You're damn right I'm condemning him. He walked away and left the child to Sandusky's assault. He had to go talk to his daddy first? He had to report to Paterno?
He had a moral obligation to save that child and he did nothing. As far as I am concerned, he "gets credit" for jack sh*t, and ought to swing with the rest of them.
Ok, I’m pleased to know you have full, first hand knowledge of all the facts and dynamics.
Have you read the Grand Jury report at all? This info is IN the report.
Page 6, under the heading "Victim 2."
Is that not good enough for you?
Look, I’m not excusing anybody. What aggravates me about the whole story line is that the focus isn’t on Sandusky, but Paterno and McQ. That seems off point to me. A lot of background stuff has surfaced as in Paterno’s refusal to recommend Sandusky as the next PSU head coach. Personally, I would have loved to be a fly on the wall during that conversation. I respect the GJ document. Yes, there does seem to have been some criminal obstruction of justice, but it lies with the AD and the President.
McQ got his assistant coach job, PSU kept winning, Sandusky continued raping. Everybody was happy.
McQ and Joe saw that Sandusky was not held accountable for raping the kid and they kept quiet. The janitors kept quiet in 2000. Everyone kept quiet in 1998. They are ALL to blame for countless kids getting raped because the ALL enabled him to continue raping and raping and raping and raping ....
As the head of the PA police department said, he had never seen such a coverup of such a horrific crime in his entire life. He blamed the PSU culture from the bottom of the top.
If holding people accountable for their failure to behave with a minimum amount of courage is distasteful for you, maybe you ought to step aside and let others do it.
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