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Joe Paterno must be fired immediately for protecting Jerry Sandusky amid disgusting allegations...
New England Sports Network.com ^ | Nov. 7, 2011 | Jeff Howe

Posted on 11/07/2011 9:23:41 PM PST by Colofornian

For every moment Joe Paterno keeps his job as Penn State's head coach, the institution as a whole and the athletic department in particular loses a significant amount of credibility.

Paterno must be fired immediately for not appropriately reporting his knowledge of the despicable, horrific, mortifying, inhumane sexual crimes Jerry Sandusky is accused of committing against young boys -- some of which happened at Penn State's athletic facilities, according to a Pennsylvania attorney general report. The problem, though, is some of the people in charge of making such a decision to fire Paterno have been equally culpable of failing to properly investigate and report Sandusky's alleged actions.

For that, the parties who turned away from the allegations are just as deplorable of human beings. Their ability to hold positions of power at an educational institution is disgustingly pathetic and disturbing. Everyone involved with Penn State has to feel ashamed that the school's greatest icon can hear claims of rape on campus and fail to notify the police.

Part of the irony is Paterno almost certainly swept it under the rug in 2002 to preserve his reputation as one of the greatest coaches in sports history. He protected Sandusky -- Paterno's assistant for more than three decades and a heralded defensive coordinator who was considered to be Paterno's successor before retiring in 1999 -- to keep his program's sterling record intact.

Now, with the truth laid out in court records, Paterno's abhorrent irresponsibility should be his undoing. It shouldn't just be a stain on his Hall of Fame résumé. It should be the single most dominant aspect of a shattered reputation.

Whether Sandusky is found guilty is not the issue here. Paterno was told of at least one alleged incident when Sandusky was raping a boy in the showers of a Penn State football locker room, the report states. Paterno passed the information along to athletic director Tim Curley a day later, according to the report, attended a meeting about the incident and then never let it publicly surface.

This should never have been about football or a chain of command at a university. From the moment Paterno knew of these allegations, he should have made sure they were handled appropriately. He is responsible for that much -- if not for being the figurehead of the university, then for acting like an actual human being.

Sandusky may have destroyed countless lives with sick, twisted selfishness. (If you've got the stomach for it, you can read the grand jury testimony here or the attorney general's press release here.) The mental anguish of the victims will haunt them for an eternity, and the helpless feeling of their families will extend to no end.

And this is what Penn State stands for? Is that worth the sanctity of two national championships or the race to boast the winningest coach in college football history?

If so, Sandusky's alleged path of destruction deterred the judgment of everyone around him at Penn State. By not acting, Paterno, Curley and the university's senior vice president, Gary Schultz, used their moral compass to deem appalling behavior of which Sandusky is accused as actually acceptable enough to protect some victories on the football field.

The totality of this merits one of the most disgusting scandals in sports history.

For this, Paterno's legacy as a brilliant football mind means nothing -- absolutely nothing. His lack of judgment, as a human being in charge of representing so much for Penn State and the college football world, is pathetic.

Paterno no longer deserves to go out on his own accord. He lost that freedom nearly a decade ago, even if it's only being brought to light now.

Sandusky has been painted as a dirtbag whose revolting actions were concealed by Paterno. Penn State must fire the legendary coach immediately if it wants to save the smallest iota of decency.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: abuse; fired; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; paterno; pederast; pederastagenda; pederasts; pederasty; pedophile; pennstate
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From the column: The totality of this merits one of the most disgusting scandals in sports history. For this, Paterno's legacy as a brilliant football mind means nothing -- absolutely nothing. His lack of judgment, as a human being in charge of representing so much for Penn State and the college football world, is pathetic. Paterno no longer deserves to go out on his own accord. He lost that freedom nearly a decade ago, even if it's only being brought to light now.

From the column: Paterno must be fired immediately for not appropriately reporting his knowledge of the despicable, horrific, mortifying, inhumane sexual crimes Jerry Sandusky is accused of committing against young boys -- some of which happened at Penn State's athletic facilities, according to a Pennsylvania attorney general report...Sandusky may have destroyed countless lives with sick, twisted selfishness. (If you've got the stomach for it, you can read the grand jury testimony here or the attorney general's press release here.) The mental anguish of the victims will haunt them for an eternity, and the helpless feeling of their families will extend to no end.

1 posted on 11/07/2011 9:23:45 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I am totally indifferent toward Joe Paterno as I was not a Penn State fan. However, this is more than a little early to jump on a “ride Paterno out on a rail.” Let’s wait and see what develops from all of this.


2 posted on 11/07/2011 9:31:55 PM PST by elephantlips
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To: Colofornian

Sounds like the Catholic Church scandals.


3 posted on 11/07/2011 9:33:45 PM PST by Fledermaus (Romney as president will just destroy the country slower than Obama.)
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To: Colofornian

Doesn`t this mean that they have to sell Beaver Stadium and all the buildings `n properties and give the money to the victims if Penn State loses the lawsuit?


4 posted on 11/07/2011 9:36:43 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: elephantlips
...this is more than a little early to jump on a “ride Paterno out on a rail.”

Even columnists from the liberal left coast are provoked:
* Paterno should be fired by Penn State [San Francisco Chronicle]
* Joe Paterno should resign in wake of Penn State scandal: Commentary [LA Times]

Wait til the rest of the columns come out tomorrow.

Let’s wait and see what develops from all of this

(What do you suggest? Another 9+ plus years so that JoPa can keep his dynasty going into his mid-90s @ all moral costs?)

5 posted on 11/07/2011 9:38:24 PM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: Colofornian

>>despicable, horrific, mortifying, inhumane sexual crimes

“The Franklin Cover-up: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska”
http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Cover-up-Satanism-Murder-Nebraska/dp/0963215809

We’ll see if justice is any better served in this case... or if there’s a similar breakout of aksarbenicide in PA, instead.


6 posted on 11/07/2011 9:40:13 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Fledermaus
Sounds like the Catholic Church scandals.

Sure. To the extent that the media is trying to use the actions of one hideous pervert to tar everyone in the vicinity.

Here's my suggestion. Concentrate on the crimes of the perv and make sure that he gets a punishment commensurate with his crimes. Castration would be a good start.

This way, every other perv will know to keep their hands of the kids.

The rest is all hand waving.
7 posted on 11/07/2011 9:42:00 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: Colofornian

If for nothing else than recruits are going to avoid PSU like the plague as long as Paterno is there, he needs to go.


8 posted on 11/07/2011 9:44:06 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Colofornian

Agh!! This institution deserves to collapse!


9 posted on 11/07/2011 9:47:20 PM PST by Havisham
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To: Antoninus

Paterno is a pig who turned a blind eye to the pervert Sandusky. He should resign immediately and start doing pennance. The Grand Jury report is indeed sickening.


10 posted on 11/07/2011 9:50:44 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: elephantlips

Read the indictment. You will see there is no reason to wait. And the investigation must go higher than Paterno - all the way to the top.


11 posted on 11/07/2011 9:55:48 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Antoninus

Wrong, the rest is all cover-up, lying, deceipt, and lack of moral courage to do the right thing. You’re right - doing the crime is horrible. But knowing it’s being done and doing nothing so that it continues to victimize more kids - how is that not just as bad?


12 posted on 11/07/2011 9:59:03 PM PST by bigbob
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To: bigbob

Whatever goes down there will be way too lenient for that decadent institution.


13 posted on 11/07/2011 10:00:41 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: Fledermaus

Yes, perverts and their protectors/excuse makers(madams) are in all organizations. The elite think they can get away with demonstrating no character because we have allowed them to do that.


14 posted on 11/07/2011 10:03:47 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Colofornian

First, the REAL reason they are going after Joe Paterno is because old Joe is a Republican. That’s why all the Liberals are calling for his firing.

Second, Joe actually reported what he heard in 2002. That is exactly what he should have done and it’s why he is not in trouble. He did not know all the facts and allegations

Third, here is another prime example of the Leftist double standards. One for Republicans and another for Democrats.


15 posted on 11/07/2011 10:15:35 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: bigbob
Wrong, the rest is all cover-up, lying, deceipt, and lack of moral courage to do the right thing. You’re right - doing the crime is horrible. But knowing it’s being done and doing nothing so that it continues to victimize more kids - how is that not just as bad?

It's not just as bad. But it is bad.

I'll bet if there were a real investigation, what you'd find is that this guy Sandusky was protected by a lot of other people as well--probably including local law enforcement, politicians and media.
16 posted on 11/07/2011 10:25:41 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: Colofornian

I can’t do the right thing ... I have a reputation to preserve!


17 posted on 11/07/2011 10:32:25 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Colofornian
If he is fired would he lose his gazillions of dollars and perks of taxpayer paid retirement? If so I say...

YOU'RE FIRED!

18 posted on 11/07/2011 10:35:31 PM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt The Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: jwalsh07
Paterno is a pig who turned a blind eye to the pervert Sandusky.

Are you saying that he knew that Sandusky was a homosexual child rapist before the allegation came out? Because after the allegation, he escalated the report as he should have. Of course, he did not take follow-up action when no action was taken on Sandusky by the administration. He will be vitiated for that--and perhaps should be once we know all the details.
19 posted on 11/07/2011 10:36:02 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: Sprite518
Joe actually reported what he heard in 2002. That is exactly what he should have done and it’s why he is not in trouble. He did not know all the facts and allegations

This just got him off of the legal hook (not the moral)

A true moral Roman Catholic would have gone beyond this to ensure that this pedophile rapist was taken off the street -- not to offend again.

JoPa just looked the other way after he reported it.

...here is another prime example of the Leftist double standards. One for Republicans and another for Democrats.

Perhaps. But in this case, you'd have to know their internal motivations to make such a conclusion. (Not sure how you'd be able to judge such things...actually, not very moral either to go 'round judging internal motivations minus more clues)

Otherwise, "nice" job aligning with the perp cover-upper -- with nary a mention 'bout the victims involved.

Oh, & speaking of those victims...That one kid who that grad asst could have rescued in the shower stall in '02...plus any other victims after that date...they could sue Penn State for the deepest of dollars. Dozens of $millions of dollars.

I suppose Penn State's "insurance" will cover that with those eventual lawsuits come...but what will be "interesting" are the facts to be uncovered in those cases...

I can see these cases now during the earlier "Discovery" stage when JoPa is deposed and interrogated by victim after victim after victim.

Those depositions will incriminate him again and again and again.

20 posted on 11/07/2011 10:40:59 PM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: bunkerhill7
Doesn`t this mean that they have to sell Beaver Stadium and all the buildings `n properties and give the money to the victims if Penn State loses the lawsuit?

See my last part of post #20...insurance will likely cover most if not all.

21 posted on 11/07/2011 10:47:05 PM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: elephantlips
this is more than a little early to jump on a “ride Paterno out on a rail.

Read the transcript of the GJ. Then decide if in is too early to jump on the rail. Spanner should be fired too. He gets the salary of a corporate exec, but has the sense of a common worker in a grocery store (shelf stock-er or box loader).

His position and pay (on the citizens of PA) demand he have more sense. Neither do the rest of the players in this very pathetic case. Fire them all and strip their retirements or we continue to pay them for having NO sense at all.

Just imagine if you were one of the parents of the children, or children who were actually affected by this? It is sick and no one will learn unless examples are made of these managers.
22 posted on 11/07/2011 10:48:52 PM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: bunkerhill7
You should be right but Paterno, Spanner, et al will get their lucrative retirements and perks on the citizens dimes.
23 posted on 11/07/2011 10:51:27 PM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Colofornian
http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575

Check this out, appropriate title, written in 2000.

Should call them the Nittany Lyin's

24 posted on 11/07/2011 10:56:25 PM PST by this_ol_patriot (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: Colofornian

Penn State is a BASTION of Liberalism...

The only shocking thing in this article is how long it stayed under cover, even though Administration officials KNEW it was going on.


25 posted on 11/07/2011 10:58:37 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: this_ol_patriot
Should call them the Nittany Lyin's

They've earned it...

Any sponsors that renew their Penn State athletic event sponsorship should have their marketing head examined and be properly boycotted.

26 posted on 11/07/2011 10:59:02 PM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: Antoninus
Sorry Antoninus. All the others were enablers of this crime. You need to ask how many children would not have had contact with this "monster" if any one of them had pushed to see this was handled 10 years ago!

By not having pushed, as STATE LAW says) for Sandusky to be criminally investigated and prosecuted they allowed more kids to be harmed.
27 posted on 11/07/2011 10:59:18 PM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: JSteff; bunkerhill7
You should be right but Paterno, Spanner, et al will get their lucrative retirements and perks on the citizens dimes.

Yup. Penn STATE -- with the "state" (citizens) footing the bill.

Isn't it 'bout time that the government -- the STATE -- get out of the pedophile & cover-up biz?

28 posted on 11/07/2011 11:00:51 PM PST by Colofornian (Anyone that can be duped by Joseph Smith can be duped by anyone...)
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To: Colofornian

1) Oh okay so you think the media does not have a left wing bias???? Please don’t tell me you REALLY believe that!

2) Joe reported what he found out as he should. However, you wanted him to go some quest without all the facts and with what authority? There are procedures when you find an employee doing something wrong. Joe did the proper response. To say he some how knew all the facts and participated in some sort of cover up is B.S.

It’s obvious you have some sort of beef agains Joe Paterno. Your judgement of him at best is pure assinime.


29 posted on 11/07/2011 11:05:23 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: Colofornian
They allowed the guy to run youth football camps at Penn State Erie and Penn State Middletown up until 2008 and that was after they knew about this. Even if nothing happened you don't store gas near fire.

I'm a Penn State fan and I would give JoePa the benefit of the doubt if this was about bling or recruitment and I know Paterno doesn't approve of this perverted behavior but he was protecting the "Old Boy Network" for absolutely the wrong thing. For that lack of judgment he needs to go.

30 posted on 11/07/2011 11:15:40 PM PST by this_ol_patriot (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: Sprite518

Actually, he is alleged to have known the details but somehow when he passed information up the chain anal rape magically turned into fondling.

If that is detirmined to be true as alledged as this plays out then Joe needs to spend his last years in a cell, which won’t be near the hell those kids lives are but its the best we can do.


31 posted on 11/07/2011 11:47:15 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

As long as Joe Paterno follow State College procedures, then you have nothing.


32 posted on 11/08/2011 12:02:01 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

Yes. There was an allegation. He reported the allegation. He apparently thought he knew Sandusky, and figured there was no way he’d be doing what he was alleged to have done, and since the investigation went nowhere, that could well have convinced him that he was right. People who are invested in other people have a very hard time believing those other people could really do bad things, and even if you have multiple accusers, Paterno was likely to still believe the denials, because that’s what he wanted to believe.

Shoule he be fired for trusting his friend? I mean, if any evidence shows that he was aware of more than he spoke about, that’s a totally different situation.

Frankly, and I’m a fan of Penn State and Paterno, I think he should resign. Maybe that would be unfair, but the story is going to suck the life out of Penn state, and even unsubstantiated allegations that Paterno knew something are going to make it impossible for Penn State to come through this, so long as Paterno is still there.

Sometimes, even being technically innocent isn’t enough.


33 posted on 11/08/2011 12:15:40 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

And he could actually be guilty — I’m not trying to try the case for him. I’m just saying that “even if” he is innocent, he should resign for the good of the program.


34 posted on 11/08/2011 12:18:43 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Colofornian

This was in the WSJ:

“He (Sandusky) married the former Dorothy Gross of Chattanooga, Tenn. With no natural children of their own, they eventually adopted six children.”


35 posted on 11/08/2011 12:28:44 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: All

POS Leftist Head Hunters, looking for next trophy

where is ANY of this outrage of cover up directed at the higher up command of the muslime that killed all those troppers at Ft Hood, or ALL THE COVER for obama in his deceptions?

this whole thing is pathetic


36 posted on 11/08/2011 1:38:33 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: SF_Redux

why hasn’t any of these head hunters gone after obamas line of lies and indepth invetigations at who the hell he is???


37 posted on 11/08/2011 1:39:50 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
It would be tough to believe this of a friend, no doubt. Or if not a friend at least someone he had coached and then worked with for many years. However, he had time to come to grips with the reality of the situation and to see that there was at least a very strong possibility that his friend/colleague had a monstrous Hyde side to him which, as the name implies, he had managed to keep hidden through the years. At least up until an incident in '98 (which Paterno may or may not have known about) and then of course the 2002 incident.

However, one thing that i do think needs to be at least considered is whether the grad asst McQueary actually did go into full detail about the incident with Paterno (and later the other higher ups) as he claims, or whether he had downplayed it, merely saying he saw Sandusky and the boy horsing around together in the shower. The grand jury believed McQueary and not the others, especially Curley and the other official, but i'm not as convinced.

After all, McQueary stumbled upon a horrific crime taking place and yet didn't stop it, didn't call 911. So he may have been reluctant to describe what he saw in more than a vague way, for then everyone would wonder why he didn't immediately intervene and rescue the boy. Therefore he may have watered it down in order that he wouldn't come off looking weak, especially in front of his former head coach and current boss. And Paterno definitely is not the type of man you want to look weak in front of.

So then years later it comes to trial and this time he, for whatever reason, is ready to finally give a full account to what he witnessed. But this suddenly puts him in another predicament. For he would surely realize that it would be in his best interest to say that this was the version he had told all along, since if he admits that he had initially only portrayed it as horsing around and such, then the blame falls on him for not reporting the incident accurately.

This is just something that occurs to me as a possible alternate scenario, one that would put things in a slightly better light for Paterno and the other PSU higher ups. For i am not at all convinced that McQueary is of a particularly strong character and someone that can be totally relied upon.

38 posted on 11/08/2011 2:54:52 AM PST by Humbug
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To: Humbug

Paterno’s gotta go. Now. Like it or not, this is the legacy he will leave behind.

As for who had what obligation to report what to whom, I can’t think of ANY scenario where I’m not telling the story to a police officer or detective FIRST, and my boss second.


39 posted on 11/08/2011 4:38:54 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Antoninus

Telling his boss, which he helped select, is not an adequate explanation. Paterno should have gone to the police.


40 posted on 11/08/2011 4:39:26 AM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Colofornian
Penn State is down for the count

Penn State assistant coach ran kid camps after ban

41 posted on 11/08/2011 4:47:45 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: Sprite518

Agree 100%. Throw the book at Sandusky but wait until all the facts are out before condemning Paterno. Everyone from the president to Hollywood to liberal parents and teachers think it’s A-OK to push the homosexual agenda on our children as normal behavior and are shocked when a horrific story like this surfaces. it’s degenerate homosexual behavior as well pedophilia.


42 posted on 11/08/2011 4:52:42 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Colofornian

I’m still kind of confused about the graduate assistant who apparently walks in on a grown man sodomizing a little boy, and then goes....and calls his father?!?


43 posted on 11/08/2011 4:56:10 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: jersey117

How long should we wait to find out why Schultz, Curley, Paterno, McQueary and Spanier didn’t call the cops? Or to find out why Sandusky was allowed on campus recently, or why he was allowed to conduct camps at satellite campuses? Just curious.


44 posted on 11/08/2011 4:56:17 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Mike Lupica has some words for Mike McQueary.....

Penn St. football coach Joe Paterno at center of an unholy mess School administration had moral obligation to do more about Jerry Sandusky

45 posted on 11/08/2011 5:00:51 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: Wolfie
I don't disagree with you and suspect he will be gone before the season is over. Perhaps even before the week is over.

This is yet another situation that reminds me of the ancient Greek story where the closing thought was: you can't judge whether a man has lived a good/happy life until the very end of his life. Certainly nearly everyone would have agreed just a week ago that Paterno had lived an exemplary life. A role model. A great coach. A living legend. Someone whose name would echo down the ages as a worthy man and a great leader of men. But now? Now his whole life is thrown into a totally different light. His legacy is on the verge of ruin and will likely be forced to resign in disgrace. It is truly stunning. No one could have predicted this.

46 posted on 11/08/2011 5:02:17 AM PST by Humbug
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To: elephantlips
Paterno almost certainly swept it under the rug in 2002

I agree with you. Until the "almost certainly" is changed to "proven guilty", I'm inclined to untie him from the stake......

47 posted on 11/08/2011 5:04:26 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: mewzilla

Thanks for the link.


48 posted on 11/08/2011 5:51:27 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Colofornian

"I stand with the Nitally Lions."

49 posted on 11/08/2011 5:56:57 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Colofornian

I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw that you actually started a thread that didn’t somehow connect the Mormon Church to this scandal.

After doing a Google search using “Joe Paterno + Mormon” keywords I found that you already had done so here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2803939/posts

It must have been disappointing to you after your exhaustive search to find out that he is not Mormon.

Maybe next time.....


50 posted on 11/08/2011 6:01:40 AM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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