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The Venom in Feds' Vaccinations
Townhall.com ^ | November 8, 2011 | Chuck Norris

Posted on 11/08/2011 3:56:12 AM PST by Kaslin

While most mainstream news media cover presidential campaigns or economic conditions, the feds are going under the radar and your skin -- literally -- with something that could be detrimental to your and your children's health. News just broke about their cover-up, but few, if any, agencies passed along the wire.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1 in 110 children have autism spectrum disorders, which is strikingly more than just two decades ago. (ASDs are a group of developmental disabilities that can cause communication, behavioral and social challenges.) The National Autism Association calls the 644 percent increase of ASDs among U.S. children since the early 1990s "a tragic epidemic of autism."

Many attribute the increase in the rate of ASDs to children's being exposed to significant quantities of thimerosal, a mercury-based compound that has been used since the 1930s as a preservative in certain vaccines and pharmaceutical products to prevent bacterial and fungal contamination.

According to the CDC's website, however, "to date, the studies continue to show that vaccines are not associated with ASDs. ... The most recent and rigorous scientific research does not support the argument that thimerosal-containing vaccines are harmful. ... Is thimerosal in vaccines safe? Yes."

But PR Newswire reported recently that the Coalition for Mercury-free Drugs exposed a federal cover-up between the CDC and vaccine researchers. Despite the fact that the CDC received an email from CoMeD in 2002 that revealed a causal relationship between the removal of thimerosal from vaccines and a decline in the rate of autism, the CDC encouraged the publication of a study in Pediatrics that ignored certain data and misled the medical community and public by insinuating that thimerosal in vaccines does not increase the risk of autism.

Almost inconceivably, the study in Pediatrics actually purported that autism rates increased after thimerosal was removed. And to add insult to injury, PR Newswire reported, "One coauthor, from Aarhus University, Denmark, was aware of the omission and alerted CDC officials in a 2002 email, stating 'Attached I send you the short and long manuscript about Thimerosal and autism in Denmark ... I need to tell you that the figures do not include the latest data from 2001 ... but (SET BOLD) the incidence and prevalence are still decreasing in 2001 (END BOLD)' (emphasis added)."

The deliberate avoidance and falsification of medical data to support CDC bias is heinous enough, but the fact that such information is manipulated to practice medicine on our nation's children is monstrous malpractice and even premeditated malevolence. I agree wholeheartedly with Lisa Sykes, president of CoMeD, who summarized the CDC cover-up: "This type of malfeasance should not be tolerated by those who are entrusted with our children's health and well-being."

But even the Institute of Medicine, the nation's bastion of authoritative health advice, just cleared vaccines as an autism culprit in a recent report.

And just when you think vaccination news couldn't get any worse, the San Francisco Chronicle recently reported that the National Biodefense Science Board, which advises the federal government on bioterrorism issues, voted 12-1 to recommend that the Health and Human Services Department endorse and sponsor a study to test the anthrax vaccine in children. (Do these advisory panels not think 36 federally recommended vaccinations for children by age 2 are enough?)

The truth is, as the National Autism Association reports on its website, "there are over 1500 studies and papers documenting the hypoallergenicity and toxicity of thimerosal (ethylmercury) have existed for decades," with recent research revealing commonness of speech delays and tics. The NAA adds, "Recent studies have confirmed the association between the use of thimerosal and autism has moved from 'biologically plausible' (in 2001) to a 'biological certainty.'"

Hence, justification for thimerosal's inclusion in any product is unwarranted at best and dangerous at worst. The NAA categorically states in its series of warnings about thimerosal: "Mercury is hazardous to humans. The use of a toxic poison as a preservative is undesirable, unnecessary and should be eliminated entirely."

That is why the United Nations Environment Programme is proposing a global treaty ban on mercury in vaccines, something SafeMinds, a parental advocacy group, applauds based upon the group's longevity in trumpeting the dangers of thimerosal.

But according to another recent PR Newswire report, though thimerosal is not used in vaccines for measles, mumps, oral polio, yellow fever or tuberculosis, it still is found in many diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, hepatitis B and influenza vaccines, especially in developing countries.

Since 2001 in the U.S., no new vaccine licensed by the Food and Drug Administration for use in children has contained thimerosal, except for ones to prevent influenza. Nevertheless, the CDC continues to recommend some routine vaccines with "trace amounts of thimerosal" for children younger than 6.

The FDA has approved many seasonal flu vaccines, which come in both multi-dose vials and single-dose units. Those that are produced in large quantities and are in multi-dose vials contain thimerosal, whereas the single-dose units (including nasal spray) do not contain thimerosal, because they are opened immediately and used only once. (So if you or yours insist on seasonal influenza shots, ensure they are single-dose.)

But do we really want to swap the flu bug for thimerosal? And isn't "Centers for Disease Control and Prevention" a total misnomer when the agency allows "trace amounts of thimerosal" in our children's soup of medicines? Are we really going to allow our children to be mercury-laced vaccinated guinea pigs? At the very least, shouldn't we avoid all thimerosal-containing products for precautionary reasons?

Jose Dorea, professor of nutritional sciences at the University of Brasilia, hit the health nail right on the head when he recently said: "The evidence continues to mount that mercury in vaccines is not safe, that negative effects happen even with vaccine levels of exposure. We must end the use of thimerosal as soon as possible. No pregnant mother or child should have to trade getting mercury injected into them for the prevention of an infectious disease."

So let the buyer beware! Or, should I say, let the booster beware! Don't check your brain in at the door of your family's health care. And don't ever be afraid to ask the hard questions of your health practitioners -- for example, "What are the exact ingredients in that syringe?"

It is your health, and they are your children, entrusted to you by God, so be bold in ensuring their safety and welfare. You still have the constitutional right to refuse any health care you deem unnecessary.


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1 posted on 11/08/2011 3:56:13 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

bttt


2 posted on 11/08/2011 4:00:56 AM PST by Guenevere (....We press on.....)
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To: Kaslin

Namby-pamby tree hugger alert.


3 posted on 11/08/2011 4:03:42 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Kaslin

Oh, goodness, not this again. (Picture graphic of man face-palming here.)

The author of the original study linking vaccines to autism is now being subject to disciplinary measures. The original article has been withdrawn by the editors of Lancet (where it was published), although some of the authors had already retracted their names from the paper. The only real link between vaccines and autism is temporal: children are typically vaccinated at an age where symptoms of autism begin to manifest.

The amount of harm done by this study has been immense. Children die every year whose deaths could have been prevented by vaccines. Although the fear-mongering about vaccines existed before that fraudulent study was published, that study did not help the situation any.

In considering the increase in autism rates, one should take into account that the same criteria are not being used to diagnose autism as were being used 50 or more years ago. Now we have “autism spectrum disorder”, which yields far more autism diagnoses than previously. We also have a situation where it is profitable for school districts to increase the numbers of “special needs” children. Furthermore, there has been a huge effort to blame poor performance in school on some “disorder”, instead of taking more time to address individual learning styles. To compare apples to apples, the numbers of autistic children diagnosed by the exact same criteria must be compared. I suspect that a comparison made on that standard would show that there has been no increase in autism rates.


4 posted on 11/08/2011 4:10:58 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

“The author of the original study linking vaccines to autism is now being subject to disciplinary measures.”( insert Joe the Plumber Moment here)


5 posted on 11/08/2011 4:21:00 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: exDemMom

Great points, exDemMom. I think there’s a lot of hoopla about vaccinations. However, we the public must take doctors and the CDC at their word that the vaccinations they are giving us are free from anything other than the labeled purpose. As more and more pharmaceutical manufacturing is done overseas, there’s an increased risk of poor quality control and thus the possibility of tampering or tainting.

When I was a wee lad, my pediatrician wanted my mother to sign off on using me as a guinea pig for some experimental vaccination protocols. My mother obviously did not assent and promptly quit him as our pediatrician. Last I heard he was arrested a decade or more ago for something unrelated to his practice, but if he was unscrupulous after I was a child, who’s to say he lacked those scruples when I was a baby?

It’s more than just the manufacturer’s issue, it’s also the issue of what is our government asking these companies to do to the supply to “tweak” it or otherwise “make it better?” These government weirdos have no problem experimenting on children. Even the Third Reich did most of their medical experimentation under cover.


6 posted on 11/08/2011 4:46:08 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Wolfie
Namby-pamby tree hugger alert.

You might want to rethink that statement. In the early 1990's I asked my dentist what was his take on mercury in fillings. Did he think it was safe or not? He said, let me put it to you this way; I can put mercury fillings in your mouth but if I have to remove one, that mercury has to go in a special toxic waste disposal container. He said by law he couldn't just throw it in the regular trash.

Ask yourself this; how can mercury be safe enough to be in my mouth, or in a vaccine, but not safe for a garbage can?
7 posted on 11/08/2011 4:51:46 AM PST by Shannon
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To: Kaslin
Many attribute the increase in the rate of ASDs to children's being exposed to significant quantities of thimerosal, a mercury-based compound that has been used since the 1930s as a preservative in certain vaccines and pharmaceutical products to prevent bacterial and fungal contamination.

Now that thimersal has been removed from vaccines, has autism declined? No.

Next theory, this one is broken.

8 posted on 11/08/2011 5:23:25 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: rarestia

Something is causing the rise in autism. Why is not the CDC on that problem? It is a horrible public health issue.


9 posted on 11/08/2011 5:23:42 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Kaslin

thermiosol hasn’t been used in vaccines in the US for decades. Stirring people up with old information is not useful


10 posted on 11/08/2011 5:31:32 AM PST by Nifster
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To: exDemMom
To compare apples to apples, the numbers of autistic children diagnosed by the exact same criteria must be compared. I suspect that a comparison made on that standard would show that there has been no increase in autism rates.

My experience is different. Growing up, I never heard of autism or the behavior pattern now described as autism. But I did see Thalidomide babies sometimes, and many cases of Mongolism and other forms of retardation. But as a parent over the past two decades, I have seen a half-dozen cases of autism just among families I know. The increase cannot be attributed to educrats' rent-seeking behavior alone. We may or may not have the last word on the cause, but there is a real phenomenon here.

As a science and business writer, I have seen many instances of government corrupting industries, including Big Pharma, by regulating them into distorted freaks. Think of the auto companies, electric-power monopolies, the old telephone monopolies, the housing market, the securities business, public education, green energy . . . I could go on. Pols and regulators circle the wagons to protect the monsters they have created, which donate to their campaigns. Corruption festers where the competitive market is kept out, and politicians make deals for their friends.

Over the past 30 years, government, Big Pharma, and the Big Bland Media have pushed certain experimental studies and suppressed others (concerning cholesterol and fat, to take a different example) for reasons irrelevant to the truth, just because political involvement in medical matters has become so huge. Until the situation changes, we are obliged to be skeptical consumers of both government and its medicine.

11 posted on 11/08/2011 5:33:03 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: SaraJohnson

I had contact lenses years ago, and the rinse/storage solution had thimerisol in it as a preservative. It made my corneas turn hright red. My ophthamologist said to never get anything with mercury in it, and to check everything I used even OTC, because of the allergic reaction. Interestingly, I did have mercury amalgam fillings as a child...


12 posted on 11/08/2011 5:33:13 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Kaslin

Try this on

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/mercury.html


13 posted on 11/08/2011 5:34:34 AM PST by Nifster
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To: SaraJohnson

Perhaps there is no rise. Perhaps what we are seeing is increased reporting and diagnostics as the ‘spectrum’ is ever expanded. Be cautious about what you think is causality


14 posted on 11/08/2011 5:35:57 AM PST by Nifster
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To: SaraJohnson

Namby-pamby tree hugger alert

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I wish you could walk in our shoes. We have a beautiful — and I mean beautiful son who was born in 2001. He was chubby, blonde, blue-eyed, radically gorgeous and healthy —until he took the MMR shot at 12 months. After that, he began to have large, black, hard baseball-sized stools he couldn’t pass. He never slept. He’d scream all night, wouldn’t sleep. From then on he failed to develop normally, play normally. At 4 he was diagnosed w/ PPD-NOS, a diagnosis which has been scrapped and is now just designated as as “high functioning autism.”

I just want to know what exactly turns a perfectly healthy and intelligent child into a stimming, speech delayed, tantrumming neurologically affected MESS in less than a year? What disease? What virus? What process DOES this to a child??

Why won’t pediatricians investigate this more? Why was I called “crazy” by a pediatrician when I went to her and told her the kid wouldn’t sleep more than 2 hours a night and had these GI problems. They wouldn’t LISTEN.

So many families are affected.. In our case, we are still paying off the debt we incurred from having to pay out of pocket for the years of ABA therapy and speech he required, and STILL requires.

He does relatively well now, but he’s never going to be normal. He’ll never participate in life the way my older children do. I mean — something is altering these children. If I EVER find that someone in our government lied and that these vaccines really ARE the culprit ... well, you’ll see me in the going POSTAL on their a^^%$es.

Right now all MY family can do is wait for the day we’re ALL in heaven and ALL rid of the evil and sickness of this world. At that point, we’ll meet our son again, and he’ll be healthy and whole again — and perhaps he’ll fulfill his true potential — but he’ll never do it here. Someone or something has seen to that.


15 posted on 11/08/2011 5:35:57 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: Shannon

Oh, I’m just poking a little fun. Because I know if the topic was mercury pollution from coal burning power plants, “Namby pamby tree hugger alert” would the standard knee-jerk response.


16 posted on 11/08/2011 5:44:25 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: LibsRJerks

I did not make the statement you quoted back to me. That was someone else on this thread.

Autism is horrid. In my opinion, the vaccines were too much a risk for my children. We faked the paper work. At the beginning of my children’s lives I realized the medical profession is not all knowing and that it was my responsibility, ultimately, to make medical decisions for my own kids and myself. Every doctor is different, but you can’t assume they have the same ethics and love as you do anymore. Some have converted to humanist collectivism - careless amorality.

I am sorry you and your son have suffered this disease. I am furious that the medical profession has not jumped on the problem and identified the source of autism.


17 posted on 11/08/2011 5:48:23 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Nifster

Actually, the responsibility of caution belongs to the medical profession. Autism is increasing and they have shown no care as to what is causing this increase. Parents have to do the best they can with what they know because no one else gives a hoot.


18 posted on 11/08/2011 5:50:39 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

“Something is causing the rise in autism.”

Diagnosis. I have Aspergers but it was not diagnosed in the 60’s because it didn’t “exist”. It really only came into the spotlight in the late 80’s.
Funny, my wife is a teacher in a preschool and she spots autism spectrum by seeing if the kid acts like me.


19 posted on 11/08/2011 5:54:13 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Shannon

People are also officially advised to limit their consumption of an otherwise extremely health-promoting food (fish) because it contains traces of mercury. Meanwhile, the largest source of human exposure to mercury is dental amalgam (which is 50% mercury), which the dental establishment and government vehemently defend as safe.


20 posted on 11/08/2011 5:55:55 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Nifster

>>Perhaps what we are seeing is increased reporting and diagnostics as the ‘spectrum’ is ever expanded.<<

This is part of the problem. It’s a money maker.
We have friends with two children who DO have Autism Spectrum Disorders. There is not a doubt when one see them. The parents put in a huge effort and, imo are walking saints.

Then I see the kids who are labelled with “Autism Spectrum” who come from families that put in the barest minimum effort. One friend of ours told me that her son has Autism. She let this child do whatever he wanted and blamed the behavior on his disorder. This child never misbehaved around me or my kids because we would tell him that he was acting like a brat. Last night I got a text saying that he made National Honor Society.

With that, I have friends with a daughter labelled with Aspergers. The parents have a house that the hoarders show would take weeks in. They spend their lives stuck in books or on the computer. The girl is inappropriate until someone tells her the correct way to act. (like her marching band teacher) Yet, both these kids are in special classes with IEPs and the schools make big cash on them.

It bugs me that the kids that really need help lose out because we are labeling every behavior problem as a disorder.


21 posted on 11/08/2011 6:12:33 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: SaraJohnson

Because you have incidence reportage is NOT an indication of growth. Cancer (of any sort) used to be considered very rare, as science got better at detecting and identifying cancer rates “went up”. Not all cancers will kill you in a short time span. We must be watchful in terms of trying to explain that which may not have an explanation


22 posted on 11/08/2011 7:56:10 AM PST by Nifster
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To: netmilsmom

Thank you. My point could not be better illustrated.


23 posted on 11/08/2011 8:01:35 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster
Try this on

Quackwatch is a drug company shill. Pure crap.

24 posted on 11/08/2011 8:24:45 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: LibsRJerks
My God, what a devastating story. I don't know if you've read up on Jenny McCarthy, the actress whose son was diagnosed with autism. I always thought she was a total ditz until I saw her on Larry King one night talking about how she handled her son to a point where he was "undiagnosed" of autism. It was really riveting to listen to her explain what she'd done to handle her child.

She wouldn't come right out and say that vaccines were the cause but at the end of the interview Larry King asked her if she had it to do over again, would she vaccinate her son. She paused and said.......no. That said it all.

Google her and hopefully you'll get some promising help and results.
25 posted on 11/08/2011 8:51:58 AM PST by Shannon
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To: Shannon
Google her and hopefully you'll get some promising help and results.

Let me help.

26 posted on 11/08/2011 2:15:35 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB
Did you even look at that link? That's an anti Jenny McCarthy site and in no way will it help any parents with an autistic child.

I think it was rather hostile of you to post that. I was trying to help the parents with a devastating situation on their hands. You, on the other hand, mister smart aleck.
27 posted on 11/08/2011 3:05:34 PM PST by Shannon
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To: SaraJohnson

The “rise” is caused by expansion of the definition. Most of the categories within the autism spectrum have only been created in the last 10 to 20 years. Any kid with those problems before then weren’t considered autistic. There’s a whole lot of illnesses that have been “rising” that way since the 80s, pretty much everybody has a syndrome these days, because almost everything that deviates even slightly from the norm now has a label.


28 posted on 11/08/2011 3:11:19 PM PST by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: Shannon
Did you even look at that link? That's an anti Jenny McCarthy site and in no way will it help any parents with an autistic child.

Yes. It is an anti-McCarthy website. Do you know how? It tells the truth. She has absolutely no background (no, taking off your clothes in public does not confer any scientific knowledge) to lecture anyone on autism etiology, treatment or cure (because there is none). If you want to help someone with an autistic child, send them to the Autism Science Foundation or related site.

I think it was rather hostile of you to post that.

Hostile? You might want to look up the definition of that word.

I was trying to help the parents with a devastating situation on their hands.

Sending them to a person who has no science background is "helping"?

You, on the other hand, mister smart aleck.

Yes?

29 posted on 11/08/2011 3:48:31 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: discostu
Hey stu, long time no see!

I see that nothing's changed. Been back for a few days and all I've been doing is fighting the same old anti-vax woo.

I guess a doctor's job is never done. ;-)

30 posted on 11/08/2011 3:50:40 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: SamuraiScot
My experience is different. Growing up, I never heard of autism or the behavior pattern now described as autism. But I did see Thalidomide babies sometimes, and many cases of Mongolism and other forms of retardation. But as a parent over the past two decades, I have seen a half-dozen cases of autism just among families I know. The increase cannot be attributed to educrats' rent-seeking behavior alone. We may or may not have the last word on the cause, but there is a real phenomenon here.

When I was growing up, retarded and mentally ill children were often placed in institutions for care. There is more of a push to keep these children in their families these days. If most of the genuine autistic children were institutionalized in the 60s, but the institutionalization rate has been dropping, of course you will run into more autistic children.

There is also a simple phenomenon whereby you begin noticing something only when your attention is drawn to it. Furthermore, with the use of prenatal testing, about 90% of the children having a developmental disorder with a known genetic basis (e.g. trisomy 21, 18, or 13) are aborted. So there just aren't as many children with developmental disorders these days, making the remaining ones stand out.

My point, said in a rather roundabout way, is that there are all kinds of reasons for increased perception of autism that don't equate to increased incidence of autism.

31 posted on 11/08/2011 3:57:29 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: SaraJohnson

The problem is that autism as a diagnosis is deliberately broad. It can be a catch all for a LOT of diseases.


32 posted on 11/08/2011 4:06:49 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: exDemMom
Just a clarification, Trisomy 18 or Edwards syndrome is fatal. Normally they die in the last month or so of the pregnancy or shortly and I mean shortly after birth. Why someone would abort a baby who is going to die anyway is beyond me. I know this because I lost my first baby boy to Trisomy 18. I was "counseled" by the doctor to deliver him early at 25 weeks when we got the diagnosis. We didn't. (At least he didn't suggest abortion.) It made no sense to me to end this precious child's life before God had intended. I was able to carry him for 32 weeks and we got to hold him as he passed from this life. I know I did what God asked of me, to carry that baby until He was ready for him in Heaven.

33 posted on 11/08/2011 4:18:52 PM PST by UnRuley1
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To: SaraJohnson
Autism is increasing and they have shown no care as to what is causing this increase.

Last year, the federal government spent $218 million dollars on autism research. Note that the table makes two columns for 2009, 2010, and 2011 spending, to show that "stimulus" funding paid for some of the research.

That is more funding than quite a few other diseases receive. It appears to me that there is a great deal of "care" in determining what causes autism, and how to treat it.

34 posted on 11/08/2011 4:25:56 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Shannon

bttt


35 posted on 11/08/2011 4:36:17 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: UnRuley1
Actually, over 50% of children with T18 are born alive. And I found this at Wiki:

In England and Wales, there were 495 diagnoses of Edwards' syndrome (trisomy 18) in 2008/2009, of which 92% were made prenatally. There were 339 terminations, 49 stillbirths/miscarriages/fetal deaths, 72 unknown outcomes, and 35 live births.

So abortion is not that rare.

36 posted on 11/08/2011 4:37:46 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: rarestia

I would agree that shifting more and more manufacturing overseas leads to real concerns about the quality of the products. This goes for agriculture products, as well.

I do not know what time frame you are talking about, when you say that your pediatrician wanted to use you as a guinea pig. I do know, however, that medical ethics is a developing field, and has come a long way since surgeons could get away with performing experiments on anesthetized patients without their knowledge or consent.

A researcher wanting to do research with human subjects these days has to submit a protocol to what is called the “Institutional Review Board,” and they judge the protocol on whether it meets the ethical standards first, and whether it is scientifically valid second. I have sat on some of these boards.

Assuming the protocol gets approval from the board, the researcher then must advertise the research in the form of a poster which includes the protocol number and approval date. The researcher can discuss the protocol with the patient, and must get a signed informed consent from the patient. If the patient is a child, then the parent must be informed of the research intent, benefits, and risks. Depending on the age of the child, the child can agree to participate in the research, as long as the parent gives the final permission.

Research is very heavily regulated, especially where it concerns children, persons of diminished mental capacity, and prisoners.

I should also add that the regulations regarding animal research are just as strict.


37 posted on 11/08/2011 4:40:08 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: UnRuley1
Just a clarification, Trisomy 18 or Edwards syndrome is fatal. Normally they die in the last month or so of the pregnancy or shortly and I mean shortly after birth. Why someone would abort a baby who is going to die anyway is beyond me. I know this because I lost my first baby boy to Trisomy 18. I was "counseled" by the doctor to deliver him early at 25 weeks when we got the diagnosis. We didn't. (At least he didn't suggest abortion.) It made no sense to me to end this precious child's life before God had intended. I was able to carry him for 32 weeks and we got to hold him as he passed from this life. I know I did what God asked of me, to carry that baby until He was ready for him in Heaven.

I think the severity of the syndrome depends on how much of the chromosome in question was triplicated. Trisomies 13 and 18 are more lethal than 21, but not all children die at or near birth with them. There is also a survivable trisomy of the sex chromosomes; any other trisomy is completely lethal.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

38 posted on 11/08/2011 5:14:20 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: LibsRJerks
I just want to know what exactly turns a perfectly healthy and intelligent child into a stimming, speech delayed, tantrumming neurologically affected MESS in less than a year? What disease? What virus? What process DOES this to a child??

There are a number of neurological diseases that turn what appear to be healthy, normal children into deathly ill, developmentally delayed children. Sometimes, it's because toxins normally present in the body are not broken down and discarded as they would be in a normal child, leading to a toxic buildup and subsequent neurological damage. These are genetic disorders.

39 posted on 11/08/2011 5:21:59 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: TomB
No dictionary needed. I don't have to look any farther than your comment to know what "hostile" is.

From reading your comment it would appear that you think that any mother who helps her child through a medical issue is worthless unless she's got a science degree. Brilliant. Stick the other foot in, bud.
40 posted on 11/08/2011 5:30:06 PM PST by Shannon
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To: Kaslin
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1 in 110 children have autism spectrum disorders, which is strikingly more than just two decades ago.

"Autism spectrum disorder" as a classification hasn't even made it into the DSM-V, though it'll be in the 2013 edition. Two decades ago no one was talking about "autism spectrum disorder." Back then there was:
Autistic Disorder,
Asperger’s Disorder,
Childhood Disintegrative Disorder, and
Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified.
It's this last one that is a catch-all for everything else that doesn't meet the more rigidly defined categories above. It may very well be that the "big increase" in autism is reflective of a greater willingness of doctors and others to stick something they can't otherwise categorize into this "Not Otherwise Specified" category. That doesn't at all mean there is a growing number of children "with" a Not Otherwise Specified disorder but that there are more that are being assigned to that category. People used to refer to someone suffering from a "wasting disease." This descriptive category is now replaced by various types of cancer and other diseases that cause "wasting." Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified is such a category. The number of people in it depend on how often something is described as a "pervasive developmental disorder."
41 posted on 11/08/2011 5:32:59 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Shannon
From reading your comment it would appear that you think that any mother who helps her child through a medical issue is worthless unless she's got a science degree. Brilliant.

No, I think that any person who deems themselves an "expert", which she is doing, based solely on being a mother, is sadly deluded. Especially when the advice she gives out is so out of step with real medical experts.

Stick the other foot in, bud.

My God. How old are you?

42 posted on 11/08/2011 5:37:57 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB

More nuttiness.


43 posted on 11/08/2011 5:37:58 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan
More nuttiness.

With at "hostile" cherry on top.

44 posted on 11/08/2011 5:52:35 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB

The “real medical experts” have done a whole lot to cure autism, haven’t they? Not. Educate yourself before you go bashing people who have found a way to help their children with autism.


45 posted on 11/08/2011 5:53:54 PM PST by Shannon
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To: Shannon
The “real medical experts” have done a whole lot to cure autism, haven’t they? Not. Educate yourself before you go bashing people who have found a way to help their children with autism.

Interesting, she has found a "cure" for autism, and is isn't being reported in any news service?

No, she says she "cured" her child, but presents no evidence.

Why do you find her so credible? Is it her big boobs? Skinny waist (did you see how much she slimmed down after her last child!!)? How about that new hair style?! Tell us. What makes Dr. Jenny such a savant?

47 posted on 11/08/2011 6:24:22 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB

Boy, not only are you hostile, now you’re getting crude. Frankly you’re acting like a bully.


48 posted on 11/08/2011 7:27:28 PM PST by Shannon
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To: Kaslin
The increase of vaccines given to infants who don’t have a mature immune system yet borders on criminal to me...The infant cannot handle the vaccines that now they are by law given...just like vaccination against hepatitis, which has zero chance of getting hepatitis...If I had small children today I would refuse quite a few of those vaccinations...Polio-yes, it is a childhood disease. Pertussion yes, it can be fatal in a child...Tetanus yes, easy for a baby to get a puncture wound. Diphtheria yes it is a child killer. DPT plus polio are good, all are child killers...Every vaccine carries some risk, the risk of getting those disease's causing death, are greater than the risk of untoward side effects that are a rare exception, yet they occur and its sad for that child..
49 posted on 11/08/2011 8:06:38 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny
The infant cannot handle the vaccines that now they are by law given...

Can you be more specific please? What, specifically, is in the vaccines that an infant's immune system can't handle?

50 posted on 11/09/2011 3:19:09 AM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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